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    62% of US Jewish voters want Obama reelected

    Down from 78% to 62% support in the Jewish community, though that is still stronger support than the rest of the country in general:

    WASHINGTON – A survey released Tuesday finds that 62 percent of Jewish voters want to see US President Barack Obama reelected, while of those who prefer a Republican win, 58% back Mitt Romney.

    Obama also enjoys significantly higher favorable ratings than Romney, with 61% viewing him mostly or very favorably in comparison to just 31% who feel similarly about Romney. In contrast, only 20% view Obama very unfavorably while 29% view Romney that way...

    But Republican pollster Neil Newhouse, who did not participate in the event, said the results provided an “opportunity” for Republicans.

    “It’s clear that American Jews aren’t wildly enthusiastic about Obama,” he maintained.

    He pointed to the difference between the 62% of Jewish voters supporting Obama today compared to the 78% that voted for him in 2008, according to exit polls. In addition, even fewer Jews approve of his job performance (58%) while 34% disapprove...
    source: http://www.jpost.com/USPresidentialr...aspx?id=264709

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    Re: 62% of US Jewish voters want Obama reelected

    I would attribute this to a) the overwhelming majority of American Jews being married to the Democratic Party and b) the Republicans not offering a candidate that is particularly "wowing" anybody (Jew or non-Jew alike)....
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    Re: 62% of US Jewish voters want Obama reelected

    In my opinion, Obama could command the lead tank in a Syrian invasion of Israel and he would STILL get over 50% of the American Jewish vote.

    Ideology trumps all.

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    Cool Re: 62% of US Jewish voters want Obama reelected

    The broad mass of Jewish voters tend to vote overwhelmingly Democrat based on family traditions. However, defections of significant numbers of voters in a close race along with influential Jewish support may make a key difference in a 'hanging chad' election.

    Republican candidate Mitt Romney can make up ground and earn an edge during the debates. All he needs to do is posture as the 'other guy' running on the 'anyone but Obama' platform. Avoid overkill, don't lose focus by wandering and don't overplay his hand.

    It requires nothing more than standing up there on the podium and letting Obama sink himself. If Romney focuses simply on Obama's inability to inspire the confidence of business leaders who create jobs, he will win the debates. "The business of America is business." White House dysfunction (e.g., divisiveness & incoherence) has mitigated that.

    Obama's track record is clear. Romney should gently, but effectively attack it.

    It probably wouldn't hurt if Romney mentions in passing his Latino roots and struggle to attain success. Bringing people together by promoting compassion for all and national unity is something that Obama hasn't done.

    The election boils down to whether voters want to give Obama a second chance or try something new. It hasn't worked so far.

    Like Obama did when running against McCain, Romney has the advantage of being the 'unknown commodity.' Romney is the 'other guy.'

    People will take a chance on the 'other guy' when they are disgruntled enough with what the incumbent has done. Make the connection.

    Romney should steer clear of details on foreign policy other than to say that he intends to promote stability, peace and security. He should also say how important the safety net of entitlements are to Americans and that removing or reducing them in any significant way won't solve our ballooning debt crisis thanks to Obama.

    If Obama tries to attack Romney on foreign policy and tread a minefield, Romney should simply say that he will try very hard to do a better job of protecting and defending the safety and security of American foreign service personnel, diplomats and their missions.

    I would be troubled by a policy of "apology." You lead from out front - not from behind.

    A President Romney would not be withdrawing vital diplomatic missions from around the world, but rather expanding them. He would encourage respecting them.

    I would be troubled by Obama's policy of "apology." “The pattern of not even getting a status of forces agreement in Iraq, where we would have had an arrangement with that country, the setting of a timetable in Afghanistan, it seems to me, are examples of a withdrawal, a decline, a pullback by our country,” he said. “And I think that's unfortunate because I think that vacuum's being filled by people who don't have our interests at heart.”

    Romney needs to say that he'll take actions to promote economic prosperity and job growth that the current occupant of the White House can't or won't! Lower taxes for all, a business-friendly environment and economic growth.
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    Re: 62% of US Jewish voters want Obama reelected

    Obama's support is rising in the Jewish community.

    According to the Gallup daily tracking poll conducted from July 1 to Sept. 10, 70 percent of registered Jewish voters planned to vote for Mr. Obama, compared with 25 percent for Mitt Romney. In the spring, Gallup’s poll showed Mr. Obama up 64 percent to 29 percent against Mr. Romney.
    source: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/27/us...anted=all&_r=0

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    Re: 62% of US Jewish voters want Obama reelected

    Quote Originally Posted by Pleepleus View Post
    Obama's support is rising in the Jewish community.
    I'm very skeptical about those studies. Personally, I barely know any Jews at all who support Obama. The vast majority of my fellow Jews very much OPPOSE Obama. I really wonder where those polls are getting their information.
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    Re: 62% of US Jewish voters want Obama reelected

    Quote Originally Posted by NewsGuy View Post
    I'm very skeptical about those studies. Personally, I barely know any Jews at all who support Obama. The vast majority of my fellow Jews very much OPPOSE Obama. I really wonder where those polls are getting their information.
    It may be traditionally liberal Jews just telling the pollsters what they expect to hear.

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    Re: 62% of US Jewish voters want Obama reelected

    My parents are the perfect example. They are voting for Obama (again). And guess what? They are doing it holding their noses. They are not 100% thrilled with him, certainly not with his foreign policy. However, they are mainly voting for him for one reason: his health care plan. I don't want to get into a debate about his health care plan here because I am NOT educated enough about it. It is hundreds of pages long and I don't have time to sit down and read it. I BARELY have time to study Torah a few hours a week :-( However, my parents are convinced that, while Obama's health care plan is not 100%, that it offers the best of as many possibilities for as many of America's citizens as possible.

    In my parents eyes, this trumps Obama's foreign policy, in general, and his policy towards Israel, in particular. And my parents have a child and two grandchildren living in Gush-Etzion and a son who served in the IDF and is still in the reserves. How much more so for American Jews who have no direct connection to Israel (via family members living there).

    Oh, BTW, my parents are life long Democrats, but would have NO problem voting for a Republican candidate if he/she had something to offer.
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    Re: 62% of US Jewish voters want Obama reelected

    Quote Originally Posted by NewsGuy View Post
    I'm very skeptical about those studies. Personally, I barely know any Jews at all who support Obama. The vast majority of my fellow Jews very much OPPOSE Obama. I really wonder where those polls are getting their information.
    In the relatively large Sephardi, Mizhahi (with Israelis close to a million) and ex soviet Ashkenazi (700k) communities he's trending in the single digits IMO. I personally do not know any ex soviet Jews, and I know quite a few, who would vote for him under any circumstances. For that matter- Chuck Schumer even (Chuck does support Israel) has issues garnering votes due to the fact that there is so much apprehension and, frankly, outright allergy to all things socialist, as intertwined in the modern Democratic party.

    Socialism, and it's connected phenomena, is the very thing that spells gross incompetence, profound corruption and bloody doom to Jews that have suffered under autocratic socialist regimes in Eastern Europe. I cant even countenance Obama's smarmy talking points on TV, where I could barely stand seeing Bill Clinton. Thats strictly due to Obama's passive hate of all things Israel, and perhaps due to the fact that Bill actually kept the economy working even after Bush Sr. administration's clear sliding downhill.

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    Re: 62% of US Jewish voters want Obama reelected

    I don't like Obama's profoundly Liberal foreign policy.

    Quote Originally Posted by bar-arallu View Post
    outright allergy to all things socialist, as intertwined in the modern Democratic party.
    Social Democracy does not equal Socialism. Social Democrats follow the Third Way, where they basically say both Socialism and Capitalism stink, and thus a mixed system is necessary. The Soviets and Third International initially regarded Social Democrats as "Social Fascists" because of their support for the Third Way(which was at that time only endorsed by Soc-Dems and Fascists), Imperialism, anti-Revolutionism, and other things.

    profound corruption
    One would have to wonder why that would be the case in a system that calls for the creation of labor money...

    bloody doom to Jews that have suffered under autocratic socialist regimes in Eastern Europe.
    Oh yeah, because Jews like Rákosi or Lazar Kaganovich were enslaved for being Jewish, and not given high ranking political positions for their competency. Stalin's mistress Rosa Kaganovich, and rumored wife, faced the brunt of anti-Jewish oppression(in bed.) The Soviets were not the 1st country to internationally recognize the state of Israel and didn't support it against British antagonization. That's a myth... Anti-Zionism does not equal Antisemitism, just like Anti-Islamic Fundamentalism doesn't equal Anti-Arabism. Of course, when you have terrorist camps like the Fighters' List aggravating Nationalism(a crime in the USSR), you will obviously see reprisals against supports of it(and most pro-Zionists were in fact Jewish).

    The Soviet stand on Israel and Zionism was best spelled out by Ilya Ehrenburg in his 1949 article for Pravda.
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    Re: 62% of US Jewish voters want Obama reelected

    Well, I will be curious on the percentage of American Jews that just re-elected Obama. In my view, I am going to assume that whatever Obama says from now on about Israel is fine with me. He got the support of the Jewish community, who am I to argue with them.

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    Re: 62% of US Jewish voters want Obama reelected

    Please dont generalize so completely. I detest the a-hole, and so do a lot of Jews.

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    Re: 62% of US Jewish voters want Obama reelected

    Quote Originally Posted by Ephraim View Post
    Well, I will be curious on the percentage of American Jews that just re-elected Obama. In my view, I am going to assume that whatever Obama says from now on about Israel is fine with me. He got the support of the Jewish community, who am I to argue with them.
    I am not American but I am Jewish. So for whatever it's worth, and it isn't worth much, I was hoping for a Romney win.

    But you know what, Ephraim? I think that when it comes to the subject of Israel, my suggestion to you is that you should form your own opinion, based on whatever criteria you deem fit.
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    Re: 62% of US Jewish voters want Obama reelected

    Quote Originally Posted by Ephraim View Post
    In my opinion, Obama could command the lead tank in a Syrian invasion of Israel and he would STILL get over 50% of the American Jewish vote.

    Ideology trumps all.
    Very well said!
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    Re: 62% of US Jewish voters want Obama reelected

    I suppose it's effortless to be Jewish in the USA and support Obama. After all, these are the Jews who are safe and sound. If it's true that more American Jews voted Obama than Romney, it certainly shows exactly where they stand on Israel.

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