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    Barak: 50% haredim to IDF, rest to national service

    I am not exactly Ehud Barak's biggest fan, but I think he got it right on this one:

    http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPol...aspx?id=274701

    Barak: 50% haredim to IDF, rest to national service
    By JEREMY SHARON
    06/21/2012 14:36
    At Keshev Committee on replacing Tal Law, defense minister says he wants a ceiling of 10% haredi exemption for Torah studies.


    Defense Minister Ehud Barak told the Keshev Committee tasked with replacing the “Tal Law” on Thursday that the IDF and security services could make use of 50 percent of the annual intake of haredi men of military age, and that the remaining potential recruits should go to civilian service programs.

    Speaking to the committee tasked with drawing up a proposal for recruiting ultra-Orthodox men into national service, Barak said the new law was crucial to several aspects of Israeli society.


    “Creating a more equal share in the burden of national service; increasing the size of the workforce; increased opportunities for further education; and the “recalibration” of mechanisms for supporting religious institutions [can all be achieved] through the replacement of the Tal Law,” Barak said.

    The Tal Law, which provided a legal framework for haredi men to indefinitely defer military service to pursue Torah studies, was ruled unconstitutional by the High Court of Justice back in February and will expire on August 1.

    During his address to the committee, Barak also stressed the importance of conducting a dialogue with the haredi community which was not “bullying or coercive” in its manner, but instead “mature, responsible and aimed at reaching an agreed solution, as much as possible.”

    “The haredi community is an essential element in the mosaic of Israeli society and the link of the state and the Jewish people to its roots,” Barak averred.

    As to the specifics of the new arrangement, Barak said that the quota for those exempt from service on the basis of being exceptional Torah scholars should be no more than 10% of the total number of haredi men eligible for service in a given year.

    Citing IDF statistics, Barak said that approximately half of the remainder would be able to be drafted into tracks within the military and security services.

    Of these, a third could serve in active duty units such as the Nahal Haredi battalion, a third in the IDF’s Shahar track in which recruits fill advanced technological positions in the army, and a third in the police force and the prison and firefighting services.

    The remaining 50% of the annual intake of haredi recruits could be drafted into civilian service programs.

    Barak added, however, that the civilian service requires revisions to ensure it is providing “real benefits to society, does not steal the livelihoods of citizens and does not duplicate the civilian security services.”

    Barak said that national service should remain obligatory, but that there is no desire on behalf of the state to fill prisons with people who do not fulfill their obligation to serve.

    As such, he continued, the new arrangement needs to define clear benefits and rights for those who serve which will give them substantial advantages over those who refuse to do military or national service.

    The defense minister added that he hoped the committee would not be deterred from creating an equilibrium between demands by the High Court of Justice and civil society to equally distribute the burden of national service; the requirements of the Israeli economy; and the public and political discourse with the haredi sector.

    Barak also said that those who serve in IDF combat units should receive greater compensation for their service than those serving in other arenas of military and national service.
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    Re: Barak: 50% haredim to IDF, rest to national service

    On the other hand, Mr. Rosenblum makes some valid points as well:

    http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Opinio...aspx?id=274716

    Advice for the Plessner Committee: Minimize confrontation
    06/21/2012 15:38 By JONATHAN ROSENBLUM
    Insight concerning the thoughts and attitudes of the ultra-Orthodox community.
    Haredi IDF soldiers in the Jordan Valley
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    I do not offer the following thoughts to the members of the Plessner Committee in order to convince them of the wisdom of the current draft deferment for full-time yeshiva students. Life is short, and I do not fancy the role of Sisyphus. Rather my intention is to give the committee members some insight into the thinking and attitudes of the ultra- Orthodox community.

    One reads frequently today of the need to more fully integrate haredim into Israeli society. It is important to clarify what is meant by “integration,” for the model of integration chosen will have a large impact on the reaction of the haredi community.

    Full integration is impossible. Haredim cannot fully integrate into Israeli life without ceasing to be haredim.

    The optimal model, rather, is something close to historian Jacob Katz’s description of Jewish society within the larger Christian society in Europe prior to emancipation.

    Jews had extensive contact with the surrounding Christian society, particularly in the economic sphere. But, at the same time, they looked almost exclusively toward the internal Jewish society for their sense of affirmation and values.

    Now, the analogy is by no means perfect. Haredi Jews view themselves as bound to non-haredi Jews by a shared national mission in a way that Jews in Europe did not feel bound to their gentile neighbors. In the short term, however, haredim feel that their greatest contribution to the welfare of their fellow Jews is to retain their distinctiveness and keep the flame of Torah burning as brightly as possible.

    The greatest reason haredim fear joining the IDF is that it will be used as a melting pot for the fashioning of a uniform Israeli national culture. They have no wish for their sons to be socialized to the majority Israeli culture, which strikes them as antithetical to fundamental Torah values in many ways.

    Haredi fears on this score are by no means irrational.

    Israel’s first prime minister, David Ben-Gurion, often described the IDF’s role in forging a national culture as no less important than its role in national defense.

    When haredim look at the national-religious community, which has long placed a very high value on military service, they see a cautionary tale. They note that on almost every axis of social identification, the majority of the national-religious community feels far closer to secular Israelis than they do their fellow observant Jews.

    And in many ways, they are far closer culturally to the secular community. The dilemmas of the characters on Srugim are viewed by secular Israelis as, at worst, eccentric, whereas they would be viewed by most haredim, if they had televisions, as wholly alien.

    Recent events have exacerbated haredi fears of the IDF as an instrument of socialization. The uproar over the request of a handful of national-religious soldiers to absent themselves from a women’s singing performance was widely perceived as an attempt to force nationalreligious recruits to conform to majority cultural norms.

    The officers’ training candidates did not demand that the IDF only provide entertainment in accord with their religious norms, but rather that the IDF accommodate their beliefs, in a context with no conceivable implications for national defense.

    Matters only grew worse when the chief rabbi of the Israel Air Force resigned over what he described as the IAF’s failure to adhere to various commitments he had made to haredi recruits in its highly successful Shahar program. Those accommodations go to the heart of the IDF’s ability to voluntarily attract married haredi men in their 20s.

    The IDF would be far wiser to focus its efforts at haredi recruitment initially on the older age cohort of married men over the age of 22. By 24 or so, there is already a high degree of self-selection between those who see their future in full-time learning and those want to enter the workforce. And haredi concerns about socialization to the majority norms decline with age and marriage.

    The IDF has been successful in developing programs that provide necessary training to haredim precisely in areas in which the IDF is experiencing manpower shortages.

    Those units have had among the highest re-enlistment rates in the IDF, and there is room for expansion, for instance, by increasing proximity of the units to haredi population centers.

    The sight of thousands of married haredim in uniform would have a filter-down effect to younger haredim, lessening the stigma of IDF service as somehow not haredi. As the IDF demonstrates its willingness and ability to accommodate the religious needs of haredim, it becomes more attractive to the not insubstantial number of younger, unmarried men from haredi homes who do not feel cut out for full-time Talmud study – and, equally important, to their parents, many of whom recognize the discipline and sense of pride the IDF instills as the best long-range hope for their sons. Most of the younger group will be drawn to combat units.

    If, on the other hand, the government focuses directly on the draft cohort of 18-year-olds, through heavy financial penalties on those who do not enlist at that age or the institutions in which they learn, that will be perceived as a direct frontal attack on the existence of the haredi community. The yeshivot are the very raison d’etre of the haredi community. And anything perceived as an effort to destroy them will harden haredi resistance and halt the salutary trends of the last 10 years toward haredi academic study and entry into the workforce and the IDF.

    If economic pressure is to be applied, putting an age limit on kollel stipends would be perceived as less of a direct attack on the community’s continued viability.

    The most talented and dedicated will continue to learn anyhow, and institutions for the elite scholars will find adequate private funding. And the government has not exhausted its bag of possible incentives toward greater economic participation by younger married haredim – e.g., a negative income tax, reform of the tax code to remove the bias toward women working.

    THE IDF will encounter little communal resistance to the expansion of haredi combat units under the aegis of Nahal Haredi, as long as they remain voluntary. And the same is true of creating national service frameworks with appropriate religious environment for youth from haredi homes,, especially if those frameworks allow for the performance of work that provides a sense of achievement and include an educational component.

    But national service is no panacea to get around haredi opposition to military service for all 18-year-olds. “I understand why you [i.e., haredim] can’t serve in the army, but why can’t you do national service?” I’m frequently asked.

    Truthfully, I’m not sure I understand the question.

    Yeshiva students are not incapable of military service.

    They would not be any less good soldiers than the average new recruit. And in any army in which the most important elite units are increasingly ones in which brains are more important that brawn, many haredi young men would be prize recruits.

    Nor can the lack of physical danger in national service be the distinguishing factor. Haredim do not claim that their blood is redder or that they have some special exemption from risking their lives in defense of the Jews of Israel.

    The question shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the reasons behind the rejection of the draft of 18- year-olds – for those reasons would not be one iota less applicable to national service. The loss of Torah study that would result from removing young men between the ages of 18 and 21 from yeshiva would be exactly the same if they were doing national service instead of serving in the military. Because haredim marry young, that hiatus would mean for many that they never pick up the solid basis in Torah learning that they will need no matter what they subsequently do in life.

    Some of likeliest forms of national service – Defense Minister Ehud Barak once suggested painting garbage cans – would be a far greater disgrace to Torah, as well as an unnecessary drain on national resources. They would only create the impression that the real goal is to empty the yeshivot.

    Contrary to popular opinion, haredim do not deny the necessity of an army. Most can conceive of situations in which every able-bodied yeshiva student would pick up arms. But there is no threat that could ever induce anyone involved in Torah study to pick up a paintbrush.

    FAIRNESS IS an important desideratum for any country.

    Its absence saps the willingness to sacrifice in pursuit of common societal goals. And unquestionably, the ideal of universal military service has been, and continues to be, an important source of social cohesion in Israel.

    But fairness is not the only societal value. And its pursuit should not be conducted in a manner that makes the ultimate goals harder to achieve. The pursuit of perfection – and immediately – is the habitual enemy of the good. The political process, with its messy compromises, is well-suited to this process. Now that the new coalition has effectively neutered haredi political power, the secular majority can engage in this process without raising panic and without anger clouding judgment.

    The elected echelons offer more hope than the judicial.
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    Re: Barak: 50% haredim to IDF, rest to national service

    (cont. from post #2 above)

    As Prof. Neri Horowitz has said, the Supreme Court does not know sociology, and is unsuited to draft decrees in accord with what it does know.

    In recent years, the Education Ministry has made important strides in improving secular studies in the haredi sector for boys. (Among the girls it was already above the national average.) It did so by avoiding a direct confrontation over a core curriculum for yeshivot ketanot (for ages 14 to 16), and instead concentrating on the elementary school level and the ever-expanding number of frameworks chosen by haredi parents who do not want the traditional yeshiva ketana curriculum for their sons. It has even found ways to introduce English outside of the formal educational system.

    That commonsensical, non-confrontational approach points the way for the Plessner Committee as well.

    The writer is director of Jewish Media Resources, has written a regular column in The Jerusalem Post Magazine since 1997, and is the author of eight biographies of modern Jewish leaders.
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    Re: Barak: 50% haredim to IDF, rest to national service

    This sort of incrementalism could have worked 20 years ago. Israel is out of time. The fact is nobody shows this kind of sensitivity to seculars and their beliefs - what about radical left wing anarchists who don't want to serve because of opposition to the occupation? Simple, they're sent to jail. That's how a draft works. I personally oppose it, but it does make some sense in Israel's unique situation. But given that it is applied, it needs to be applied consistently to everyone. Otherwise the draft has no moral legitimacy whatsoever and there is no moral justification for punishing secular refuseniks.

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    Re: Barak: 50% haredim to IDF, rest to national service

    Quote Originally Posted by curlyg View Post
    This sort of incrementalism could have worked 20 years ago. Israel is out of time. The fact is nobody shows this kind of sensitivity to seculars and their beliefs - what about radical left wing anarchists who don't want to serve because of opposition to the occupation? Simple, they're sent to jail. That's how a draft works. I personally oppose it, but it does make some sense in Israel's unique situation. But given that it is applied, it needs to be applied consistently to everyone. Otherwise the draft has no moral legitimacy whatsoever and there is no moral justification for punishing secular refuseniks.
    While I agree with you on principle, the reality is that the Haredi Yeshiva students were granted exemptions since the founding of Israel, so this is something that is built into the State that is not as easy to do away with, as opposed to a VERY small minority of "anarchists", which has never been a phenomenon that has had state support.

    Regarding radical left-wing "anarchists", the truth is they are not globally put in jail as much as you think they might be. Many seculars are getting out of the army today on trumped up "mental" issues. And the percentage of radical left who refuse to serve who actually go to jail for any significant period of time is a small minority. Haggai Matar (who actually went to jail for two years for refusing to serve) does NOT share the same fate as most "refuseniks". Most go to jail for a few weeks (if at all) and then are sent home. The truth is, it is actually unprecedentedly easy (for non-Haredi who don't want to serve) to get out of the IDF today than ever before. I personally know several "refuseniks, anarchists, etc." who refused to enlist in the IDF and NOTHING happened to them. They even have good jobs today.

    So, it is NOT as simple (or universal) as "if anarchists refuse to serve they go to jail" as you might think.
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    Re: Barak: 50% haredim to IDF, rest to national service

    There was a time when seculars had never served in the army too. Its not like most of the early Zionists came from families with long military traditions - they all learned to fight in a matter of years in their own lifetimes. So sure, Haredim have been exempt since the establishment of the state, but I don't see why this would justify more lenient treatment as far as equal application of the law is concerned.

    Sorry for the very short reply, its 3am here!

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    Re: Barak: 50% haredim to IDF, rest to national service

    Curlyg, it is not a ? of Haredim learning to fight. Mr. Rosenblum acknowledges that Haredim would make great soldiers, due to their regularity to discipline from studying (Hesdernikim make great soldiers for a similar reason). You seem to have a purely academic view on this issue, which in reality will just not come to be. Aside from the fact, that there is not room in Israeli jails for scores of thousands of 18-year-olds, the IDF itself is not ready to absorb scores of thousands of Haredim. This is not like flicking a switch and walla it happens. It will need to be a process. There will need to be sensitivity training from both sides and the army infrastructure will need to be made ready. So, like it or not, you will not see 60,000 black hats and pairs of peyot reporting to Bakum the day after the Tal Law is canceled (right or wrong). The question is not what Curlyg thinks is right or wrong (with all due respect), but how to get the optimum number of Haredi young men to enlist in the IDF and optimally contribute towards Israel's security, not what is "fair" or not. That is the reality, which Ehud Barak (not exactly the most observant Jew in Israel, but the most decorated soldier in the history of Israel who is about as familiar with the IDF apparatus as anybody can be) seems to understand.
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    Re: Barak: 50% haredim to IDF, rest to national service

    Quote Originally Posted by Aliyah1995 View Post
    Curlyg, it is not a ? of Haredim learning to fight. Mr. Rosenblum acknowledges that Haredim would make great soldiers, due to their regularity to discipline from studying (Hesdernikim make great soldiers for a similar reason). You seem to have a purely academic view on this issue, which in reality will just not come to be. Aside from the fact, that there is not room in Israeli jails for scores of thousands of 18-year-olds, the IDF itself is not ready to absorb scores of thousands of Haredim. This is not like flicking a switch and walla it happens. It will need to be a process. There will need to be sensitivity training from both sides and the army infrastructure will need to be made ready. So, like it or not, you will not see 60,000 black hats and pairs of peyot reporting to Bakum the day after the Tal Law is canceled (right or wrong). The question is not what Curlyg thinks is right or wrong (with all due respect), but how to get the optimum number of Haredi young men to enlist in the IDF and optimally contribute towards Israel's security, not what is "fair" or not. That is the reality, which Ehud Barak (not exactly the most observant Jew in Israel, but the most decorated soldier in the history of Israel who is about as familiar with the IDF apparatus as anybody can be) seems to understand.
    Then we have a fundamental disagreement. If the law is manifestly unjust then it has no legitimacy. A law which blatantly discriminates, as the Tal Law did, has no legitimacy and no place in a democratic society. There's nothing theoretical about it - the IDF managed to integrate Jews from radically different cultures, from all over the world who barely spoke the same language, into a single military structure in the past. You're trying to tell me that it's impossible to make accommodations for Haredi cultural sensitivities in a reasonable timeframe? Pure nonsense. This stalling has gone on for decades now. Now the issue has blown up -- and it's long overdue. You can try to pawn this off as just 'what curly thinks' but frankly you're only fooling yourself. The polls in Israel are clear on this point - there's virtually no other issue on which there is greater consensus.

    I would honestly say that a soldier who refuses to enlist in protest against this situation is morally justified in doing so. That's not something I say lightly, but the status quo is immoral and indefensible.

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    Mind you Aliyah, I'm not saying that this will be an easy process. It will be costly, and it will likely need to be spread out over a few years. But I am resolutely against the idea that it is 'impractical' or 'unrealistic' to apply the law equitably to all Israelis, especially in an issue as critical as this. If the IDF thinks they don't need this many soldiers then they should create a policy as to who they will draft which is not discriminatory and will apply equally to everyone.

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    Re: Barak: 50% haredim to IDF, rest to national service

    Unfortunately, there is a setback to all citizens sharing the burden:

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...250215,00.html

    Netanyahu dissolves Plesner Committee

    Committee tasked with drafting alternative to Tal Law dissolved following bitter disagreements over haredi enlistment. Addressing Mofaz, PM says 'let's take over reins together'

    Attila Somfalvi
    Published: 07.02.12, 15:49 / Israel News


    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced the dissolution of the Plesner Committee on Monday during a meeting at his chambers.



    The committee was tasked with drafting an alternative to the Tal Law, which effectively exempted ultra-Orthodox from army service.



    "Unfortunately the Plesner Committee failed to reach an agreement due to the withdrawal of some of its members and is unable to draft recommendations that will secure a Knesset majority," he said. "The committee has been dissolved. I thank the five representatives for their hard work."







    Speaking to Minister Shaul Mofaz, he said, "Let's take the over the reins together and bring about a solution."



    Earlier on Monday, senior members of the coalition claimed that Netanyahu had decided to dissolve the Committee after Yisrael Beiteinu, Habayit Hayehudi and haredi representative Yaakov Weinroth resigned. It was expected that Coalition Chairman MK Zeev Elkin would be the next to quit.


    Senior political elements voiced concern that MK Elkin would also quit the committee after the departure of three other members. But speculation that Netanyahu was aiming to dissolve the body has been circulating for the past week.



    "If understandings with Kadima on several relevant issues are not reached soon, Elkin will be the next to leave," one of the sources said. Kadima elements accused Netanyahu of pre-planning the dismantling of the committee and coordinating the move with the haredi parties led by Shas.



    "This is a premeditated move which includes Elkin's withdrawal, the dissolution of the committee, the dismantling of the unity government and a High Court motion for deferral," a Mofaz associate said.



    Meanwhile, Shas senior officials confirmed that the move had indeed been coordinated with Netanyahu.


    "This is a plan to bury the universal draft bill," a Kadima source said earlier in the day. "The dissolution of the committee would mean Kadima's immediate withdrawal and the end of the unity government."



    Attorney Yaakov Weinroth, who is the representative of Shas and United Torah Judaism to the committee, announced Sunday evening that he was resigning from his post.



    Weinroth sent a letter in which he stated that the committee acted irresponsibly in handling the sensitive issue of recruiting haredim into the IDF. According to Weinroth, "Forceful actions, even if they deliver results in the short-run, are destructive in the long-run."
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    Re: Barak: 50% haredim to IDF, rest to national service

    I wish I could say I was surprised...

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    Re: Barak: 50% haredim to IDF, rest to national service

    Curlyg, I agree. What happened, I saw a pig fly by my window
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    Re: Barak: 50% haredim to IDF, rest to national service

    Latest development:

    http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPol...aspx?id=276215

    'Kadima will quit gov't if Plesner report not implemented'
    By GIL HOFFMAN, JPOST.COM STAFF
    07/04/2012 13:07
    Mofaz says "the ball is in Netanyahu's hands, he has only days," declares that "Plesner plan is the only plan"; Plesner: Bring ultra-Orthodox service to 80% within 4 years, impose financial, criminal sanctions on refusers"
    Shaul Mofaz at Kadima faction meeting Photo: Marc Israel Sellem

    Kadima party chairman Shaul Mofaz on Wednesday asserted that the implementation of the Plesner Report is a condition for his party staying in the government. "The ball is in Prime Minister [Binyamin Netanyahu's] hands and he has a matter of days," Mofaz added, declaring that "the Plesner plan is the only plan."

    Mofaz spoke shortly after MK Yohanan Plesner presented his report, which was intended to build a framework for replacing the Tal Law and increase haredi and Arab participation in the IDF and national civilian service.
    Related:

    Tal Law Timeline
    Politicians from Left, Right slam Plesner report

    The report, he continued, is the first test of Kadima's partnership with Netanyahu. The prime minister's decision to cancel the committee "violates the Likud's agreement with Kadima, and is invalid," he said.

    "Our obligation is to our sons, our country and to social justice," Mofaz said at a Kadima faction meeting. "I have served in the security field for more than 40 years and this is a fateful decision for all of us."

    In his report published earlier Wednesday morning, Plesner recommended that 80 percent of ultra-Orthodox participate in national or military service within four years and that personal and criminal sanctions be imposed on those who do not serve.

    Although Netanyahu dismissed the Plesner committee earlier this week after a number of its members quit in protest of various issues, sources close to Netanyahu said Tuesday that he would nonetheless use its recommendations as the basis for a new law.

    While offering several tracks of service for haredi men, the report recommends that service be defined as a personal responsibility, and that failing to complete it result in criminal proceedings and/or a fine and the loss of potential government benefits.

    The report further suggests limiting the number of haredi men who can receive "permanent [student]" exemptions from civil or military service to 1,500.

    In addition, it contains a recommendation to shorten the service required of haredi men to 24 months. Currently, men are required to serve three years in the IDF. A civil service track would be shortened to 18 months.
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    Re: Barak: 50% haredim to IDF, rest to national service

    Netanyahu capitulate before the all mighty haredi political power.
    can't blame him, all former PMS (incl' Barak) have done the same.
    however, if he still can't manage to do it with a 94 strong coalition, then I guess we can say its a lost cause.

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    Re: Barak: 50% haredim to IDF, rest to national service

    The best hope is an election - over the past 2-3 years the rise of the Haredim has received unprecedented media attention and this failure has made it even more central in most people's focus. Only an election now could produce a sufficiently strong secularist-egalitarian Knesset that might have a chance in hell to get something half decent through. Make no mistake though, this is a desperate last ditch. If after the next election nothing gets done, this social issue won't be resolved and then we're looking at a more serious long term conflict between different segments of Israeli society. Just my honest assessment.

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