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    Re: Barak: 50% haredim to IDF, rest to national service

    Tal Law makes new victims.
    Shaul Mufaz fired LIVE on radio 4 members of his party who were trying to make a deal with Netanyahu behind his (Mofaz') back. I don't know if it's legal, but meanwhile the Israeli media is already having a ball.

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    Re: Barak: 50% haredim to IDF, rest to national service

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...259245,00.html

    Haaretz doesn't have the news up yet. They need time to decide how to twist it first.

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    Re: Barak: 50% haredim to IDF, rest to national service

    Quote Originally Posted by curlyg View Post
    I wasn't able to find anything re the 18 months number - however as far as I can tell the plan was to gradually reduce the duration of service beginning in 2006, see:

    http://www.mod.gov.il/pages/general/dochVaada.pdf

    2. יש לחתור בהתמדה להעמדת שירות החובה לגברים ונשים כאחד על שנתיים. קיצור שירות החובה ייושם בהדרגה. חתירה ליעד זה תצמצם גם את הפער הקיים בין משך השירות של הגברים לבין משך השירות של הנשים.
    3. בשלב א' שירות החובה לבנים יקוצר מ-36 חודשים ל-32 חודשים. קיצור השירות יחול על כל הגברים שיגויסו החל במחזור יולי 2006 ואילך, וכן על כל הגברים המשרתים
    היום שמועד שחרורם המקורי צפוי מאוגוסט 2007 ואילך. קיצור השירות האמור לא
    יחול על המשרתים במסלולים מקוצרים.
    4. בשלב ב' יקוצר שירות החובה לכל הגברים ב-ארבעה חודשים נוספים, מ-32 חודשים ל-28 חודשים. השלב השני ייושם בשנת 2010. הממשלה תוכל לדחות את המועד האמור אם תחול הרעה במצב הביטחון.
    5. במטרה ליעל את שירות החובה, ועל מנת ליצור תמריץ לקיצור מתמשך במשך שירות החובה, יוכל הצבא לקצר את שירותם של חלק מהבנים ב-ארבעה חודשים נוספים. כלומר,בשלב א' שירות החובה של הבנים יתוחם בין שירות מינימלי של 28 חודשים
    לשירות ְמרבי של 32 חודשים על פי צרכי הצבא. בשלב ב' יתוחם שירות הבנים בין
    שירות מינימלי של 24 חודשים לשירות ְמרבי של 28 חודשים.
    6. חייל בשירות חובה שישרת על פי החלטת צה"ל מעבר לתקופת המינימום )בשלב א' מעל 28 חודשים ולא יותר מ- 32 חודשים ובשלב ב' מעל 24 חודשים ולא יותר מ-28
    חודשים(, יזכה ב"גמול התמדה". גמול זה יהיה אחיד ויצטרף לתמורות הנוכחיות להן זכאי החייל. גובה הגמול ייקבע כך, שסך כל התקבולים של החייל בכסף ובעין יהיו בגובה עלות השכר הממוצע במשק לגברים בגיל 21, ובלבד שסך כל התקבולים לחייל
    החובה, לא יעלה על שכר המשרתים בצבא קבע לתקופה קצרה.

    Para 2 above states the ultimate goal was 2 years service, so 24 months.
    Thanks for the link, Curlyg. I am not sure if the above transitions have been applied on the ground or not. As far as I know, young men still serve three years.

    At any rate, things have changed since the beginning of 2006, so I don't know if this plan has been scrapped for now or not.
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    Re: Barak: 50% haredim to IDF, rest to national service

    Quote Originally Posted by curlyg View Post
    And by the way, if the IDF brass are convinced that a professional army will do (and I came across quite a bit of military-academic writing on this while I was searching for that report) then I'm all for it, and we can remove this festering issue of the Haredim once and for all. But for so long as there is a universal draft, it should be applied equally.
    Like I said, I agree with you in principle, we just disagree on how to get there.
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    Re: Barak: 50% haredim to IDF, rest to national service

    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    Tal Law makes new victims.
    Shaul Mufaz fired LIVE on radio 4 members of his party who were trying to make a deal with Netanyahu behind his (Mofaz') back. I don't know if it's legal, but meanwhile the Israeli media is already having a ball.
    They were probably the 4 members who were against Kadima pulling out of the coalition. I don't even know what's legal in the government anymore?
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    Re: Barak: 50% haredim to IDF, rest to national service

    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...259245,00.html

    Haaretz doesn't have the news up yet. They need time to decide how to twist it first.
    I HONESTLY do not think anything is going to change on the ground after August 1 (i.e. after the Tal Law expires), regardless of all the theatrics in the Knesset.
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    Re: Barak: 50% haredim to IDF, rest to national service

    What will be interesting is if:

    (1) August 1 arrives and there is no replacement law
    (2) The IDF refuses to recruit Haredim
    (3) Israeli rights groups petition the Supreme Court for equal application of the draft law, i.e. for an order to compel the army to recruit Haredim

    I wonder what would happen in this situation.

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