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    7 dead in bombing of Israeli bus in Burgas

    Iranian Terror in the EU! I hope they take note and clamp down even harder sanctions on those mamzers.

    I wish we were ready to take out their nuclear facilities immediately. Right now would be the perfect time and the perfect answer to these murders.

    Seven people were killed and 32 injured when a bomb exploded on an Israeli tourist bus at the airport of the Bulgarian city of Burgas on Wednesday, the 18th anniversary of the Iran-sponsored attack on the AMIA Jewish center in Buenos Aires, Argentina...
    source: http://www.jpost.com/International/A...aspx?id=277989
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    Re: 7 dead in bombing of Israeli bus in Burgas

    This is awful. Really, really awful.

    But this is a good point, I didn't give a thought to the fact that this was an attack on EU soil.

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    Considering how lax security is in so many places, it's a miracle that this hasn't happened sooner.

    I don't believe that the EU as an organization will see it as an attack, because the EU doesn't consider attacks against Jews as attacks against the EU. Instead, attacks against Jews are mostly ignored to appease their Muslim constituents who outwardly call for the mass-murder of Jews. It's up to the individual country to investigate -- or not. But the EU won't do a thing. It would surprise me if they even called a meeting to discuss the attack altogether.

    The big question is what Israel will do about this. Will Israel hit back at Iran or Hezbullah? Unfortunately, it is unlikely to happen at any large scale. The most they will do is target one or two terror leaders for quiet assassinations. But Israel won't do anything large-scale enough to create a deterrent against future attacks in Israeli targets. And so, more Israelis will be murdered with impunity, unfortunately.
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    Re: 7 dead in bombing of Israeli bus in Burgas

    If i were netanyahus closest strategic advisor this is what i would advise him to do

    1.) i would NOT punish the iranian people as i whole, i wouldnt just advise to bomb tehran for the sake of it.

    2.) i would advise the Pm to get the head of mossad and to begin "operation kharmenei" (my invention)

    I would tell mossad to track down those who sent the suidide bomber to bulgaria and to bring justice to them,
    but as a little "gift"
    to the loving people of iran, i would order mossad to send a hit squad, to how shall i put it, "take out" Ayatollah Ali Khamenei ,
    Not ahmadinijad, because he is only the figure head of iran, he dosent actually give the orders.

    If it starts a full blown middle east war, so be it, but israel can always say, iran stated it first by supporting hamas and targetting israeli civillians in europe.

    Who here thinks mossad taking out Ayatollah Ali Khamenei would start a full blown middle east war?

    and who here thinks it would be a good, "thats what you get for killing our people" moment?

    and who here think israeli should just "bring to justice" those that sent the suicide bomber to bulgaria and thats it?
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    Re: 7 dead in bombing of Israeli bus in Burgas

    has anyone seen this site, if so, im going to ask this diplomatically .

    Would anyone here know anyone that could, how should i say this without getting into trouble, "give this site some technical difficulties"
    http://www.leader.ir/langs/en/

    or as our people have always been extremely diplomatic throughout the ages, (especially to those that, dont like us)
    maybe getting someone from the above site to discuss/debate things here, that would be nice, no?
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    Re: 7 dead in bombing of Israeli bus in Burgas

    I think Israel is going to huff and puff and do nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephraim View Post
    I think Israel is going to huff and puff and do nothing.
    I think you are wrong, Ephraim. I have no doubt that those responsible in Lebanon and/or Iran will pay a price for this.
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    BTW, they were "celebrating" all morning yesterday in Beit Lehem (Bethlehem) with fireworks. I know because I live right next to there. And, supposedly, Beit Lehem is considered one of the "better behaved" cities under so-called Palestinian rule
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aliyah1995 View Post
    BTW, they were "celebrating" all morning yesterday in Beit Lehem (Bethlehem) with fireworks. I know because I live right next to there. And, supposedly, Beit Lehem is considered one of the "better behaved" cities under so-called Palestinian rule
    you dont suppose any of those fireworks exploded premeturely in someones hands/face do you??
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    Quote Originally Posted by dayag View Post
    I think you are wrong, Ephraim. I have no doubt that those responsible in Lebanon and/or Iran will pay a price for this.

    I hope I am wrong..........but;

    IMO Israel is not going to start anything because they are paranoid over Syria and is WMD's at the moment. They will want international support for any action they have to take.

    So they will once again talk tough but do nothing visible.

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    Right. And it seems that it's never really a "good time" for Israel to defend its interests or do much of anything, for that matter.

    There's always some crisis in the Muslim world that will turn out badly if only Israel acts to protect its citizens. Ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aliyah1995 View Post
    BTW, they were "celebrating" all morning yesterday in Beit Lehem (Bethlehem) with fireworks. I know because I live right next to there. And, supposedly, Beit Lehem is considered one of the "better behaved" cities under so-called Palestinian rule
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    I am quite interested to know, whether in your opinion they celebrated the terrorist act or maybe they were just celebrating some other event which happened to coincide with this horror?

    If your answer turns out to be that they were celebrating this atrocity then I would like to ask you: How sure are you? And I have two comments to make:

    First: I lost count the number of times that some "do gooder" accused me of being a racist when I dared to suggest that a majority of Palestinian Arabs tend to support terrorism against Jews. Some are actively involved in it, many more celebrate it either quietly or openly and only a minority of them seem to be actively against it.

    Second: I hate to think what would happen if the shoe would be on the other foot. The Jews would be the weak party, under Arab rule, and if they would be caught seemingly or actually celebrating an atrocity committed against Arabs by Jews elsewhere in the world. I hate to think what would happen to Jews dependent on the good will of Arabs in such circumstances.

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    By the way, please don't take it as an incitement to violence on my part. It isn't. I am definitely against violence or retaliation. I am just keen to point out the difference between our attitudes and theirs. But we are the ones who are deemed to be the racists by some ...
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    Re: 7 dead in bombing of Israeli bus in Burgas

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    I am quite interested to know, whether in your opinion they celebrated the terrorist act or maybe they were just celebrating some other event which happened to coincide with this horror?

    If your answer turns out to be that they were celebrating this atrocity then I would like to ask you: How sure are you?
    Reffo, that is a fair ? and to be honest, I can't be 100% sure they were celebrating this atrocity. It's not like I can go there and ask them. In all fairness, I did read that Ramadan was starting the next day. That being said, a) usually fireworks for weddings or other events of theirs are at night (rather than the morning) and b) I am not aware of fireworks being shot off to celebrate the beginning of Ramadan, especially since Ramadan only started the next day.

    So, I can't be ABSOLUTELY sure they were "celebrating" this horror. It sure seemed to correlate with it though.
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    Re: 7 dead in bombing of Israeli bus in Burgas

    Quote Originally Posted by Aliyah1995 View Post
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    Reffo, that is a fair ? and to be honest, I can't be 100% sure they were celebrating this atrocity. It's not like I can go there and ask them. In all fairness, I did read that Ramadan was starting the next day. That being said, a) usually fireworks for weddings or other events of theirs are at night (rather than the morning) and b) I am not aware of fireworks being shot off to celebrate the beginning of Ramadan, especially since Ramadan only started the next day.

    So, I can't be ABSOLUTELY sure they were "celebrating" this horror. It sure seemed to correlate with it though.
    Thanks.

    I guess, I am basing my assessment of their attitude on a number of facts:

    • They voted for Hamas
    • they have been definitely seen, in the past, celebrating with processions and handing out sweets after suicide bombings.
    • The narrative that they present to their kids in schools, TV and their mosques.
    • They name streets after terrorists and raise monuments to them.


    Just a few things I could think of that makes me think that your hunch is correct. However, it seems that in this instance, at least, we cannot be sure.

    By the way, when I used the term "They" above, I mean the Palestinian Arabs in general, as I am sure you realize.
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