Will Egypt go to war with Israel within 4 years?

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The Hamasnicks are beside themselves with joy, following the outcome of the Egyptian elections ...

Israeli officials fretted particularly about what Morsi’s approach might be to the Gaza Strip, which had celebrated the victory of the Brotherhood, long a close ally of the Islamist group Hamas. Medics in Gaza reported that the celebratory gunfire was so intense that one Palestinian was killed and three others wounded Sunday night after Morsi’s win was announced.
"We will look to Egypt to play a big, leading role, a historic role, regarding the Palestinian cause, in helping the Palestinian nation get freedom, return home and totally end the Gaza siege," Ismail Haniyeh, the head of the Hamas government in Gaza, said in welcoming Morsi’s victory.

Privately, Israeli officials wary of Morsi presidency in Egypt

One has to wonder why they are so happy? Could it be that they too sense that the majority of Egyptians decided to support a government that will eventually abrogate the peace treaty with Israel?

Interesting their propensity to act through their amygdala (the primitive impulsive brain guided by raw emotions - also known as the reptilian brain) rather than engaging their rational brain. Then again, maybe they haven't got one?

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As for the Egyptian voters, it seems that 52% of them also use their reptilian brain only. Unless of course they seriously believe that war with Israel would be good for Egypt? Because that's where this Morsi guy seems to want to take them ...

[sharonbn]

war with Israel? that's not where "this Mursi guy seems to want to take them".
He says he wants to examine the peace treaty and perhaps make some amendments. that's a long way from declaring war....

let's put it this way - I am willing to put a wager with anyone that there will not be war between Israel and Egypt during president Mursi's term.

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Oh and Morsi is making some other interesting promises too ...

President Mohamed Morsi has promised to release a lot of prisoners. However, one in particular, whom he chose to name, has provoked a significant reaction. Omar Abdel-Rahman has been in a US prison for more than 15 years.

President Morsi chose to highlight his case, even promising to fight for his release in possibly one of the most critical speeches of his presidency, during his address and oath at Tahrir Square.

“I see signs for Omar Abdel Rahman and detainees’ pictures,” President Morsi told thongs of supporters in Tahrir Square on Friday. “It is my duty and I will make all efforts to have them free, including Omar Abdel Rahman.”

Abdel-Rahman is currently serving a life prison in a medical centre in North Carolina for seditious conspiracy.

He was sentenced to prison in 1996, shortly after the United States government presented its case against the man also known as the ‘Blind Shiekh’ plotted to commit acts of terrorism, including the bombing of the World Trade Centre in 1993

Morsi vows to free Blind Sheikh

That should endear him to American tax payers (NOT!!!)

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war with Israel? that's not where "this Mursi guy seems to want to take them".
He says he wants to examine the peace treaty and perhaps make some amendments. that's a long way from declaring war....

let's put it this way - I am willing to put a wager with anyone that there will not be war between Israel and Egypt during president Mursi's term.

I hope you are right sharonbn. I hope you are right ...

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Yet if we look at the crowds in this video and what the leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood advocate then one cannot doubt their real intentions ultimately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI3wG...e_gdata_player

We mustn't forget that it was the Muslim Brotherhood who assassinated Sadat after he signed a peace deal with Israel. And they assassinated him exactly because he made peace.

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Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood said on its website that the attack on a police station in Sinai on Sunday in which 16 policemen were killed "can be attributed to Mossad" and was an attempt to thwart Islamist President Mohamed Mursi

Egypt's Brotherhood blames Israel’s Mossad for deadly Sinai attack

I hate to say it but it ain't going to get better. These A ... Holes just can't help themselves. And someone on this this thread who bet, will lose his bet. Much to my regret because in this instance, I would love to end up being wrong. I don't want war between Israel and Egypt but it sure ain't looking good. They are heading, correction: rushing headlong, down the slippery slope that I talked about earlier in this thread.

[sharonbn]

I have no problem putting a wager that Egypt and Israel will not go to war.
I just know they won't.

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I have no problem putting a wager that Egypt and Israel will not go to war

Yes, I know. You already made yourself crystal clear about that.

I just know they won't.

Sounds like some faith driven by religion. I thought you are secular?

By the way, I hope that I am wrong and you will turn out to be right. But unfortunately all the signs point to the opposite direction.

No point in debating this further though. We will just have to see how things unfold. Please don't be upset if from time to time I'll point to this symbolic bet of ours (which I ardently hope to lose). It's nothing personal, I am not doing it to make you look bad. I am just doing it to make a point and you happened to stick your neck out. So I elected you to represent all the like minded people who share your opinion. I am sure that there are many who agree with you. Perhaps even more than those who agree with me but in such matters there is no majority rule. Only facts and we will just have to wait to see how the facts turn out.

[sharonbn]

It has nothing to do with faith. notice that I wrote that I know, not that I believe.

It has to do with understanding the chances of breaking a 30 year long peace treaty that was brokered by the (currently) most powerful country on earth.
It has to do with understanding the seriousness that should be attributed to propaganda coming out of anyone except the country's leader vs. actions of that one leader.

You can be sure I will point to this "symbolic bet" myself.

just for the record - I am so confident that I am willing to put my money where my mouth is.

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just for the record - I am so confident that I am willing to put my money where my mouth is

OK, how about the loser pays to a worthy organization. I nominate the Magen David Adom. What amount of money do you suggest? Let's say the bet time frame is 4 years from now. If there is no war by then, I lose. I really do hope that I'll lose. If I do, I think that organization is a worthy one. What do you think?

[sharonbn]

fine by me. let us put the sum of 100 US$

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fine by me. let us put the sum of 100 US$

Great. At last we agree on something. And at the risk of boredom, I'll say it again: I hope I lose this bet.

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I created a new thread since this was kind of off the topic of Israel making concessions for peace and added a poll.

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Unfortunately I had to vote yes even though I wish it to be no. Also, I would rephrase the vote slightly, I would say:

Will there be war, within 4 years, between Israel and Egypt?"

why? Because IMHO, a preemptive war, is not out of the question again. Say if Israel would face a similar situation as it faced in 1967. Or if terrorism from Sinai gets out of hand.