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    Israeli 2013 Elections - Who would you vote for?

    I realize that most members of this forum are not Israeli citizens. However, as another poster suggested in another thread, it would be interesting to get a perspective of who diaspora Jewry would vote for (if you are not Jewish, you can give your opinion too). The below link provides a list of the parties and if you click on the party you get some information about the party:

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/israeli-elections-2013

    I am an Israeli citizen and plan on voting for Naphtali Bennet of "Habayit Hayehudi":

    Leader Naftali Bennett

    MKs in current Knesset 3

    Latest Haaretz poll (along with the National Union) 14

    In a whirlwind online campaign, Naftali Bennett (40), former special forces officer, hi-tech millionaire and chief of staff for Benjamin Netanyahu before the two fell out, swept the party primaries and bought a new lease of life for the venerable National Religious Party. After the last attempt to rebrand the party, which went as far as changing its name, dismally failed in the 2009 elections when the party received only three seats, the path was open for newcomer Bennett to usher in an era of young, media-savvy and unabashedly right-wing activists.

    Habayit Hayehudi's recent membership drive signed up 53,000 paying members, proving that its electoral potential, and its potential to take voters away from Likud, is considerable. Bennett is also targeting new constituencies: He aggressively campaigned for Ayelet Shaked, a secular right-wing activist and middle-class Tel Aviv resident, who is now No. 3 on the party's list of candidates and is set to become its first non-religious MK.

    As part of his primaries campaign, Bennett signed an agreement with now deposed National Union leader Yaakov Katz for the two parties to run together. After his primaries victory and Habayit Hayehudi's surge in the polls, Bennett renegotiated the agreement giving his party more spots on the list.

    For many years the National Religious Party, Habayit Hayehudi's forerunner, was Likud's least troublesome coalition partner. Under Bennett, however, the party is a major thorn in Netanyahu's side. Not only is Habayit Hayehudi, in all the polls, attracting voters away from Likud, but nearly every election-result scenario shows Netanyahu will need the party in his coalition - and Bennett will exact a heavy price for his loyalty.
    So, who would you vote for (or for Israeli citizens, do you plan on voting for)?
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    ready for mine?...My wife still can't figure me out, she says i talk right wing yet, here i am voting for meretz!

    its quite simple actual, over the years meretz, no matter who has been in power, actually do things in terms of their social agenda....not just playing politics but do stuff. One example was when (years back) yossi sarid ask for and got to be the minister of education, which nobody wants, used his resources to improve the education system in ofakim and other development towns, and he was well thanked by the local govts....who of course vote likud. The point being, they actually follow their principles and do stuff, with their limited resources on the social issues, of which i agree with them, whether they are in power or not......

    kinda makes me an israeli liberal...... (no relation to the western mutant form of 'liberal")

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    I do agree with pelsar in that Meretz has an impressive record in social affairs and that Yossi Sarid was one of our best Education Ministers ever.

    As for me (I suppose it comes as not big surprise) I'll be voting for Hadash.

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    Jorge, I thought you were against the "bi-national" solution. Isn't Hadash in favor of that?
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    Hadash is for world peace through the dictatorship of the proletariat. Not unlike other regional attempts at it. At best it fails like all socialisms, at worst it attempts to hoodwink Arabs into thinking that Jews are fellow Arabs, only to have them discover they are not and proceed slaughtering the latter with impunity once control is consolidated- very much the MO with Nasserism vis a vis Copts and other minorities; Alawis, Christians, Druse etc in Lebanon and Syria and the mess that is Iraq. It's the same failed formula, the same underlying capability for a barbaric regional majority to commit cultural, and ultimately physical, genocide.

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    Re: Israeli 2013 Elections - Who would you vote for?

    Quote Originally Posted by bar-arallu View Post
    Hadash is for world peace through the dictatorship of the proletariat.
    i always found that rather amusing....ever meet one of these uneducated trench diggers known as the "proletariat"....and if so, i doubt you would trust them with a $5, let alone to govern....

    and how is a "dictatorship" suddenly a good thing, if the most uneducated (the proletariat) are making the decisions? seems to me, something is being 'raped" here, either the english language or the "useful idiotes' who fall for it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aliyah1995 View Post
    Jorge, I thought you were against the "bi-national" solution. Isn't Hadash in favor of that?
    No, not at all. Hadash is and always has been for a two-state solution. In fact it prides itself of being the first Israeli party to include a two-state clause in its platform.

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    Re: Israeli 2013 Elections - Who would you vote for?

    From bar-arallu 's #5:

    Hadash is for world peace through the dictatorship of the proletariat.

    Indeed? And how would you happen to know that? I'm asking because "dictatorship of the proletariat' (or words to that effect) do not appear in any Hadash document I ever read. Perhaps it appears in some secret document detailing the communist/arabic world conspiracy that came into your hands?

    Actually if you want to know what "Hadash is for" you could try this official summary at this URL

    If you don't, and prefer to keep invoking stereotypes...this is a free Forum.

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    From Pelsar's #6:

    always found that rather amusing....ever meet one of these uneducated trench diggers known as the "proletariat"....and if so, i doubt you would trust them with a $5, let alone to govern....

    Pelsar: you don't have to worry... most of your trench diggers will probably vote Likud or Shas.

    But your example led me to some questions:

    Are those chaps in the job because they like digging trenches? Or, do they earn their bread digging trenches precisely because they are uneducated?

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    Re: Israeli 2013 Elections - Who would you vote for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge View Post
    From Pelsar's #6:

    always found that rather amusing....ever meet one of these uneducated trench diggers known as the "proletariat"....and if so, i doubt you would trust them with a $5, let alone to govern....

    Pelsar: you don't have to worry... most of your trench diggers will probably vote Likud or Shas.

    But your example led me to some questions:

    Are those chaps in the job because they like digging trenches? Or, do they earn their bread digging trenches precisely because they are uneducated?
    my experience of actually digging trenches, cleaning dishes, construction (the low end, minimum skills) was that they were there because it fit their real motivation, their skills and education.

    they had little motivation, energy or brain power to lift themselves out of it, something that is rather obvious when one works with them.....this simply comes from my own experiences and if these are the "proletariat that are suppose to rule the world, i think I'll pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge View Post
    No, not at all. Hadash is and always has been for a two-state solution. In fact it prides itself of being the first Israeli party to include a two-state clause in its platform.
    Maybe by lip service Jorge. But in reality this is their platform:

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadash

    settlements, a complete withdrawal by Israel from all territories occupied as a result of the Six-Day War, and the establishment of a Palestinian state in those territories. It also supports the right of return or compensation for Palestinian refugees. In addition to issues of peace and security, Hadash is also known for being active on social and environmental issues.[5]
    Sounds to me as if Hadash wants the Palestinian Arabs to have one and a half states, Palestine plus half of Israel too.

    By the way, does Hadash claim full compensation for Jewish refugees from Arab countries? I doubt it.
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    ... also Jorge, I thought you said that you don't expect Israel to dismantle the major settlement blocks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge View Post
    Indeed? And how would you happen to know that? I'm asking because "dictatorship of the proletariat' (or words to that effect) do not appear in any Hadash document I ever read.
    Ducks, for instance, do not need to actually attest to the fact that they can walk or talk like ducks, they just act according to their nature. Namely,

    the subset:
    Hadash defines itself as a non-Zionist party, originally in keeping with Marxist opposition to nationalism. It calls for recognition of Palestinian Arabs as a national minority within Israel [I love the way this wiki ironically puts things in juxtaposition, quite apropos] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadash

    the superset:
    In Marxist socio-political thought, the dictatorship of the proletariat refers to a socialist state in which the proletariat, or the working class, has control of political power. [In everyone else's thought, we know that means Stalin or Trotsky or Mao, and millions dead, tortured and stripped from all valuable possessions under the aegis of human development and grand aspiration to world peace]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictato...he_proletariat

    There is that pesky word, mucking things up. The Arabs have another word for it though, I think it's called "dhimmi."

    Now the simple thing said, it's worth meditating on the capital idea that Arabs have a habit of lying, esp. in English, as other people would have habit of sleeping, eating and craping. To mix my metaphor some; If you lie down with dogs, flees will inevitably follow.

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    Re: Israeli 2013 Elections - Who would you vote for?

    My choice would be Naphtali Bennet. But Bibi would make a great FM.
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    Seconded!

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