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    The Anti Israel Industry

    Interesting and topical article below. It talks about three main groups involved in organised hate against Israel:

    1. a whole spectrum of Arab-Muslim “entities” – states and sub-state groupings which differ along tribal, religious and other dimensions
    2. The Western Left provides the moral legitimacy and respectability required by Eastern hard-core religious and xenophobic anti-Semites
    3. The third and possibly growing group is a thuggish European far-right which builds on pre-world war2 themes to promote a new racism and anti-Semitism


    http://solarplexuss.wordpress.com/20...rael-industry/

    Worth a read. Any ideas how to counteract the activities of these groups? Worth a bit of discussion IMHO.
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    well within the arab/muslim world, not much we can do about it, same holds true for the newer nazis and their offshoots. Its just anti-semitism as its always been. but with the left, well they're the more insidious group to worry about. Since they legitimize the anti semites, the double standard, they give a cause for the young and stupid to get all excited about when they play with "peace of earth" philosophies and have trouble growing up....

    Their differences may be more apparent than real since both groups share a common authoritarian and fascist political orientation which overrides more superficial differences in religious and social discourse

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    Good article. I will have to think a bit about your ? I can't answer that standing on one leg and I am hardly one who is disconnected from the conflict as I am in the eye of it....

    I do agree that the 2nd group is a) the one most dangerous and b) the one worth working on trying to get the truth out to....That much I will say....
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    I'd say it's missing one: Leftist and some Herredi Israelis selling their country down the river.

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    their a small minority.....they dont endanger us in terms of our relationship with the rest of the world. Those types we're going to have to live with as part of any free society. The danger is when they hook up with the other western leftist..but even then. No one really trusts a "traitor"

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    Yes, but they are the primary provisioners of ammunition to #2. I'd go so far as to so say that w/o them #2 would be a lot less effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bar-arallu View Post
    I'd say it's missing one: Leftist and some Herredi Israelis selling their country down the river.
    The "Israelis who sell their country down the river" and their leftist cousins of Jewish descent in the Galut are the ones who both annoy and frustrate me the most even though they are a tiny minority of Israelis/Jews (even amongst lefty Jews - many of whom are just as loyal as most other Jews).

    Has anyone seen the latest Quentin Tarantino film Django? There is a character in there called Stephen. He is a trusty black slave to a cruel plantation owner played by Leonardo Decaprio. In the film, Stephen has completely gone over to the dark side. He too sells his brothers down the river. He adopts the mannerism of his master and is derogatory about his fellow slaves. He tells in jokes about them and he actually hates his brothers both in word and deed. His master in turn accepts him as a token black, seemingly as his equal but ultimately still his slave.
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    I often see people pointing out how Arabs treat their own people to put accusations against Israel into perspective. I have done it myself when I created the thread called "Perspective" on IF. I love it when lefties counter this argument by saying ... heck, no, you should not compare Israel to how Arabs treat their own, that's setting the bar too low. Instead, they insist that Israel should be compared to the standards of other Western Democracies. And the lefties claim that on that standard, Israel's standards are abysmally low.

    I have my own favourite retorts to that line of argument. But before mentioning my arguments, I would be interested in what some of the rest of you guys say to that. Any takers?
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    Israel should measure up to its own standards and quit trying to please everyone else?
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    not that it makes a difference, nor do i get an answer, but i do ask why they are being so racist and don't expect the arabs (and Palestinians) to live up to those standards. I ask if they believe that the Palestinian/arab brain is too small to understand?

    once in a while some brave progressive will mention that since the Palestinians are under an occupation they can't be expected to create and live within democratic institutions...and then the fun really begins.

    i then get to mention that the jews while under both the ottamon and british occupations did just that...and are the Palestinians not as smart as the jews?

    they will attempt to explain that the israeli occupation is much worse, and with every example they bring forth, its easily countered...eventually they drop it and just stop.

    progressives are in fact racists, if you keep that in mind, all makes sense, they see the world through the "controllers", the colonialists etc vs the "brown people, those who are stepped on, and since they all about "justice" it doesnt matter which method they attempt to use to fix this basic wrong.

    real human rights/civil rights, etc is just another method to use against israel, its not their goal, its not that important, which is why they can support movements and regimes that are facist. If your lucky enough to get one to talk about why they support a PA state that has in its foundation documents shari law, or why they support hamas as the "legit" government despite its anti western civil rights laws, its because its about something called "human rights" which translates to "state rights (but they can't say that), which clearly supersedes individual civil rights, which though they clam they support, but is of secondary importance, if that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Israel should measure up to its own standards and quit trying to please everyone else?
    That's not how I usually respond but I like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelsar
    not that it makes a difference, nor do i get an answer, but i do ask why they are being so racist and don't expect the arabs (and Palestinians) to live up to those standards. I ask if they believe that the Palestinian/arab brain is too small to understand?

    once in a while some brave progressive will mention that since the Palestinians are under an occupation they can't be expected to create and live within democratic institutions...and then the fun really begins.
    Yes I came across this line of argument often too. And yes, they ARE racists. Racists to their rotten core.
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    I like it best (not really) when I argue with Palestinian Arabs and they say the same thing. They say, hey you are Israelis, you are expected to have a much higher standard of respect towards human rights than us Arabs. Of course they never say it exactly like that. They don't say "us Arabs", they say those OTHER Arabs, like Iraqis or Saudis. They don't include Palestinian Arabs in that description. They say we should not generalise but of course they conveniently pretend that Hamas does not exist and even if it does, they try to pretend that Hamas is only supported by a tiny minority of Palestinians, which of course is an out and out lie. They have no shame even in an on line discussion. They figuratively look you straight in the eye and they tell bare faced lies without blinking.
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    there is now a new "front"....its that zionists cannot be liberals by definition. This has now come up in my favorite "hunting ground" the democraticunderground.

    a quick look via google shows that this is not an isolated viewpoint but a more general trend.

    So far i have learned that one response is the Martin Luther King, one of the icons of the progressive movement was also a zionist, hence mentioning his name in fact does cause a bit of confusion.

    though soon i suspect there will be a 'collective response" to using his name, something to the effect that times have changed.

    also it means we can welcome J-street, whereas they thought with their liberal viewpoint they could circumvent the progressives, and get their support, they are now learning that its not case, "progressive justice" has no room for zionists, no matter what the color, shape or size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pelsar View Post
    there is now a new "front"....its that zionists cannot be liberals by definition. This has now come up in my favorite "hunting ground" the democraticunderground.

    a quick look via google shows that this is not an isolated viewpoint but a more general trend.

    So far i have learned that one response is the Martin Luther King, one of the icons of the progressive movement was also a zionist, hence mentioning his name in fact does cause a bit of confusion.

    though soon i suspect there will be a 'collective response" to using his name, something to the effect that times have changed.

    also it means we can welcome J-street, whereas they thought with their liberal viewpoint they could circumvent the progressives, and get their support, they are now learning that its not case, "progressive justice" has no room for zionists, no matter what the color, shape or size.
    Screw the bastards.
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