Takeo's peace plan suggestion (ARCHIVE)

[takeo]

It is very easy to accuse your ennemies not being committed to peace if you yourself are not committed to peace, resisted every peace-move and blocked it (as your friend Netanyahu did) by building more settlements and make the life of palestinians even more miserable as before.
in the two sentences in your last post you made it very clear what are your real objectives, and people with such ideas will never do all they can to come to a peace-deal with the Palestinians, their final goal is the destruction of the palestinians as a people living in palestine.
And about jewish refugees in Iraq, they also left voluntarily in 1951 when they were permitted to go to Israel. All this happened under zionist encouragement, they were not forced to flee, the same in other Arab countries.
Akiva Orr in his book Israel: Politics, Myths and Identity Crises wrote the following: “in 1948 Jews were not expelled from countries like Iraq, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Libya, but induced to leave by Zionist emissaries from Israel who often used dirty tricks like throwing bombs into synagogues to create the impression of anti-Jewish persecution to stampede the Jews to Israel.”
Wilbur Crane Evenlan, a former senior officer in the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) wrote in his 1980 book Ropes of Sand: America's Failure in the Middle East:
"In attempts to portray the Iraqis as ani-American and to terrorize the Jews, the Zionists planted bombs in the U.S. Information Service library and in synagogues. Soon leaflets began to appear urging Jews to flee to Israel. ... Although the Iraqi police later provided our embassy with evidence to show that the synagogue and library bombings as well as the anti-Jewish and anti-American leaflet campaings had been the work of an underground Zionist organization, most of the world believed reports that Arab terrorism had motivated the flight of the Iraqi Jews whom the Zionists had "rescued" really just in order to increase Israel's Jewish population." (pp. 48-49)
So I guess they are cowards???
And another thing i found on the net: ""The PLO Charter has been amended and all clauses calling for Israel’s destruction were cancelled. On April 24, 1996, the Palestine National Council voted 504 to 54 to cancel those clauses. "
and also about the so-called fact that israel has already given most of the occupied territories to Arafat (whhic should be according to Oslo) : in 1999 only 12% (zone a) was in full controll of the PA, and 26(areab) in joint controll, still 61 % was fully controlled by Israel, many suicide-killers came from the areas controlled by Israel (maybe Sharon can commit suicide because he can accuse himself of "hosting terrorism???"i wouldn't mind!)

this latest i found on the website of Gush shalom
here a link to a report against israeli discrimination in 2000 against its own citizens, by the U.S. State Department's Democracy, Human Rights and Labor division:
(since than it could only be worse)
http://www3.haaretz.co.il/eng/script...21/00&id=93909
"An annual report prepared by the U.S. State Department's Democracy, Human Rights and Labor division criticizes Israel for unfair treatment of Arabs, for vandalism and discrimination against Christian groups and non-Orthodox Jewish streams, and for sanctions against Muslim citizens who want to go to Mecca on hajj pilgrimages.

This second edition of the State Department report, entitled "2000 Annual Report on International Religious Freedom," was released two weeks ago. It comes in response to a demand made by U.S. Congressmen that the status of Christian groups around the globe be reviewed, to ascertain whether they suffer from discrimination or persecution. Larry Schwartz, a spokesman for the U.S. Embassy in Israel, confirmed that the report's findings are relayed to governments in the countries reviewed by it.

The first section of the report's review of Israel provides a demographic breakdown of religious groups in the country. In the second section, which deals with government-sponsored restrictions of religious freedom, the report claims that the state of Israel provides lower quality services and opportunities in education, housing, employment and other spheres to non-Jewish citizens, who make up 20 percent of the population.

The report charges that government programs drafted to reduce gaps between the Jewish and Arab sectors have not been implemented. It details protests registered by Israeli Arab organizations against plans to "Judaize" the Galilee. It emphasizes that government allocations made through the Religious Affairs Ministry are highly uneven, with only 2 percent of this money going to the non-Jewish sector.

Striking one positive chord, this second section praises last March's Supreme Court ruling against Jewish Agency policies of restricting land sales to non-Jews.

The report's writers note their inability to determine whether discrimination against "non-Jews" in Israel stems from religious sources. They acknowledge that full freedom of religious worship is protected in the country.

As in last year's report, the 2000 survey deals with harassment and vandalism against various religious groups in Israel. Giving special emphasis to the plight of Jehovah's Witnesses, this year's report says that 120 complaints submitted to the police by members of this sect in 1998 and 1999 went unanswered. The report also notes that Reform and Conservative synagogues have been the targets of vandalism in Israel.

In a special passage relating to restrictions hampering hajj pilgrimages to Mecca, the report claims that age limits are enforced (allowing departure only of Muslim pilgrims older than 30), and that hajj pilgrims who leave for Syria without authorization are not allowed to return to Israel.

Asked by Ha'aretz to respond to these State Department findings about hajj restrictions, the Interior Ministry spokesman clarified that security officials set criteria for departures for Saudi Arabia. The ministry is not aware of cases in which return clearance was denied to pilgrims who left the country without authorization, he said. "

[takeo]

Here is the view of Jimmy Carter, but i guess he has been paid too by the Arabs?
"For Israel, Land or Peace
By Jimmy Carter, Washington Post, Sunday , November 26, 2000 ; Page B07
An underlying reason that years of U.S. diplomacy have failed and violence in the Middle East persists is that some Israeli leaders continue to "create facts" by building settlements in occupied territory. Their deliberate placement as islands or fortresses within Palestinian areas makes the settlers vulnerable to attack without massive military protection, frustrates Israelis who seek peace and at the same time prevents any Palestinian government from enjoying effective territorial integrity.

At Camp David in September 1978, President Anwar Sadat, Prime Minister Menachem Begin and I spent most of our time debating this issue before we finally agreed on terms for peace between Egypt and Israel and for the resolution of issues concerning the Palestinian people. The bilateral provisions led to a comprehensive and lasting treaty between Egypt and Israel, made possible at the last minute by Israel's agreement to remove its settlers from the Sinai. But similar constraints concerning the status of the West Bank and Gaza have not been honored, and have led to continuing confrontation and violence.

The foundation for all my proposals to the two leaders was the official position of the government of the United States, based on international law that was mutually accepted by the United States, Egypt, Israel and other nations, and encapsulated in United Nations Security Council Resolution 242. Our government's legal commitment to support this well-balanced resolution has not changed.

Although the acceptance of Resolution 242 was a contentious issue at Camp David, Prime Minister Begin ultimately acknowledged its applicability, "in all its parts." The text emphasizes "the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in which every State in the area can live in security." It requires the "withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent [1967] conflict" and the right of every state in the area "to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."

It was clear that Israeli settlements in the occupied territories were a direct violation of this agreement and were, according to the long-stated American position, both "illegal and an obstacle to peace." Accordingly, Prime Minister Begin pledged that there would be no establishment of new settlements until after the final peace negotiations were completed. But later, under Likud pressure, he declined to honor this commitment, explaining that his presumption had been that all peace talks would be concluded within three months.

There were some notable provisions in the Camp David Accords that related to Palestinian autonomy and the occupation of land. A key element was that "the Israeli military government and its civilian administration will be withdrawn as soon as a self-governing authority has been freely elected by the inhabitants of these areas to replace the existing military government." This transition period was triggered by an election in the occupied territories in January 1996, approved by the Palestinians and the government of Israel and monitored by the Carter Center. Eighty-eight Palestinian Council members were elected, with Yasser Arafat as president, and this self-governing authority, with limited autonomy, convened for the first time in March 1996.

It was also agreed that once the powers and responsibilities of the self-governing authority were established, "A withdrawal of Israeli armed forces will take place and there will be a redeployment of the remaining Israeli forces into specified security locations."

We decided early during the Camp David talks that it would be impossible to resolve the question of sovereignty over East Jerusalem, but proposed the following paragraph concerning the city, on which we reached full agreement:

"Jerusalem, the city of peace, is holy to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, and all peoples must have free access to it and enjoy the free exercise of worship and the right to visit and transit to the holy places without distinction or discrimination. The holy places of each faith will be under the administration and control of their representatives. A municipal council representative of the inhabitants of the city shall supervise essential functions in the city such as public utilities, public transportation, and tourism and shall ensure that each community can maintain its own cultural and educational institutions."

At the last minute, however, after several days of unanimous acceptance, both Sadat and Begin agreed that there were already enough controversial elements in the accords and requested that this paragraph, although still supported by both sides, be deleted from the final text. Instead, the two leaders exchanged letters, expressing the legal positions of their respective governments regarding the status of East Jerusalem. They disagreed about sovereignty, of course, but affirmed that the city should be undivided.

As agreed, I informed them that "the position of the United States on Jerusalem remains as stated by Ambassador Arthur Goldberg in the United Nations General Assembly on July 14, 1967, and subsequently by Ambassador Charles Yost in the United Nations Security Council on July 1, 1969." In effect, these statements considered East Jerusalem to be part of the occupied territories, along with the West Bank and Gaza.

The Camp David Accord was signed by all three of us leaders with great fanfare and enthusiasm. President Sadat and Prime Minister Begin embraced warmly at the White House ceremony, and the final document was overwhelmingly ratified by their respective parliaments.

With the inauguration of President Ronald Reagan, there was a period of relative inactivity in the Middle East, except for the Israeli invasion of Lebanon and the subsequent expulsion of PLO forces from Beirut. President Reagan used the announcement of this event on Sept. 1, 1982, to address the nation on the subject of the West Bank and the Palestinians. He stated clearly that "the Camp David agreement remains the foundation of our policy," and his speech included the following declarations:

"The Palestinian inhabitants of the West Bank and Gaza will have full autonomy over their own affairs."

"The United States will not support the use of any additional land for the purpose of settlements during the transition period. Indeed, the immediate adoption of a settlement freeze by Israel, more than any other action, could create the confidence needed for wider participation in these talks. Further settlement activity is in no way necessary for the security of Israel and only diminishes the confidence of the Arabs that a final outcome can be freely and fairly negotiated."

In 1991 there was a major confrontation between the governments of Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir and President George Bush concerning Israeli settlements in the West Bank, with U.S. threats of withholding financial aid if settlement activity continued. A conference was convened that year in Madrid with participants of the United States, Syria, other Arab nations and some Palestinians who did not officially represent the PLO. At a press conference on Nov. 1, Secretary of State James Baker said, "When we negotiated with Israel, we negotiated on the basis of land for peace, on the basis of total withdrawal from territory in exchange for peaceful relations. . . . This is exactly our position, and we wish it to be applied also in the negotiations between Israelis and Syrians, Israelis and Palestinians. We have not changed our position at all."

Norwegian mediators forged an agreement in September 1993 between Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Arafat committing both sides to a staged peace process. Although U.S. officials were not involved in this effort, our government commemorated the Oslo Accords in a ceremony at the White House, and built subsequent peace talks on its terms and those of the Camp David Accords. So far, these efforts have not succeeded, and this year there has been a resurgence of violence and animosity between Israelis and Arabs unequaled in more than a quarter of a century.

The major issues still to be resolved remain unchanged: the final boundaries of the state of Israel, the return of, or compensation for, Palestinians dislodged from their previous homes and the status of Jerusalem. It seems almost inevitable that the United States will initiate new peace efforts, but it is unlikely that real progress can be made on any of these issues as long as Israel insists on its settlement policy, illegal under international laws that are supported by the United States and all other nations.

There are many questions as we continue to seek an end to violence in the Middle East, but there is no way to escape the vital one: Land or peace?

Former president Carter is chairman of the Carter Center in Atlanta. "
http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/art...2000Nov25.html

[NewsGuy]

I would personally love to see a transfer of Palestinians to their own countries where they can live peacefully and do as they please without mass murdering Jews. I would like to see a defensible international border between Israel and the Arab countries and the best case scenario would be some kind of peace arrangement in a few generations.

This is not thinking that the Palestinians are animals -- just the opposite. I wish them the best possible existence, where they have total freedom. They can have any corrupt leadership they choose, have as many Jihads as they dream of within their own territory, teach their kids to murder people with machine guns if that's what they really want. On the other hand, I hope they choose to reject their Arab culture of mass murder, racism and ethnic cleansing, and live a peaceful and prosperous life, similar to civilized cultures.

In a few generations, if and when the Palestinians have proven themselves that they are capable of living peacefully without trying to mass murder their neighbors, then we can talk about real peace.

But I know that in reality Israel will not be able to reach this preferred state of being, and that parts of the Jewish homeland will be handed over to the Arabs due to world pressure.

It is very unfortunate, but I think that everyone needs to face the reality of the situation and be pragmatic. There will be a second Palestinian state alongside Israel and the bigger question is how to successfully defend against it.

Obviously, any agreement with the Palestinians is completely worthless in stopping attacks on Jews, so there needs to be a different enforcement mechanism.

What is clear to me is that there can be no allowances for millions of Palestinian enemies to be inserted into the heart of Israel. That would be disasterous.

Remember, so far, Israel has survived many wars with the Arabs. The question now is whether Israel will be able to survive peace with the Arabs.


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Now, takeo, I'm not really sure what points you are making with all those cut-and-paste speeches, so if you can make your points clear, I can respond to them.

Anyway, the Iraqi stuff is a complete joke. As soon as you start blaming all kinds of conspiracies on "The Zionists..." everyone knows that we are about to read complete nonesense, that either originates with Nazi or Arab lies.

[L@mplighterM]

# 1 Mr. Muhammad Saheed takeo I'm not a fascist. Words like racist and fascist are just words used loosely to stifle the truth nowadays. If anyone is a fascist or a racist it's you. Why are you a fascist? Because in your earlier posts where YOU lent justification for the killing of innocent Jews. Even if you're right which you are NOT regarding your ridiculous statements about the Jews stealing the Palestinians land, you cant tell me that a child should be murdered just because she's a settler or because there's settlers on what Arabs feel is their land.

# 2 People like you with your philosophical nonsense are the hate mongers of the world. You spread your lies to gain support for evil. What are your lies? Well there's too many to keep track of them all. Distorted truth lying by omission (not telling the whole truth). You can start with article 246 for example. Read the bloody article!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

# 3 I think that I have as much claim to what these gypsies that call themselves Palestinians as they do. Lets start with their leader when did he become a Palestinian? When he saw $$$$$$$$$ floating in front of his eyes and power. He's no more Palestinian than I am or a Chinaman, Eskimo or anyone else for that matter. Well now he's an old man who's near a nervous breakdown, last time I saw him on TV his lower lip quivered like a child before the tears come. I guess your enemies must be getting to him. His end is near and I wouldn't be surprised if one of his associates plugs him.

There's a 4.5.6.7 etc but what's the use your hate against Jews causes you to be blind to the truth. I'm sure that the evil books Sad, Twister and you read have damaged your mind.

[takeo]

Hey, so Jimmy Carter has read this books too? And even Reagan seems to be on my position that the settlements have to disappear and that Gaza, eastern jerusalem and Westbank belong to the Palestinians(a nation that does exist, even in all your extremism you refuse to see it). And not only strategically israel will have to comply to the un-resolutions (and yes i read it completely and agree with it completely but you don't) but as well morally. this is not about Arabs "murdering jews" (they lived together for centuries) but about israel occupying and destroying the palestinin nation and denying them their land (and their land is Palestine, israel and the occupied territories), the whole world wants them to give the occupied territories to the palestinians, and they can keep the country of Israel, but only if they accept that the original people live there too. And if you can't accept a minority within Israel and consider that the country is only for Jews in would only show your fascist nature, as if Germany would send away all people not exclusively from the German race.
And you call me a fascist, why???
I did not allow the murder of innocent Jews, only people responsible for the occupation and ARMED setllers. I don't believe in an etnic country only for one race as you do(the most important gasget of fascism), but believe in the right to live in a country your family lived in, whatever race or religion you have.
You however allow the murder of palestinian civilians who did the crime to live in "Eretz israel" and want to take their land, destroy their house (and their most sacred Mosque) and shoot at their children. After this you are really surprised that they turn to violence!!!
And finally none of you really want to give up the occupied countries, and i'm sure none of you want to leave the settlements, which is in clear condradiction with the whole world, a large part of Israeli society, who wants to live in peace with the Palestinians and don't believe in "Eretz Israel" or an etnically pure Israel, and finally in contradiction to your best friend's and saver's opinion.

[L@mplighterM]

Jimmy Carter got the boot because he was weak. Regan was in the early stages of Alzheimer's when he was president. All that is moot right now.

A country is sort of like a big house. In a small house you couldn't have people stealing, raping and murdering each other. If a person were anti-social they would be expelled from any home. From everything and I've seen and heard I'm sorry to tell you that hate has been instilled in the Palestinians so its become deep rooted. Mad dogs get shot and so should members of terrorist organizations.
My reasoning has nothing to do with race color or creed. Contrary to what you may believe there's' even non-Arabs that I would like to see executed.
Israelis are a hard working people that have worked very hard to achieve a green Israel. Damn hard!
The non-Jews living in that area have had every opportunity to work alongside Jews and have refused. They are lazy and would rather spend their time throwing rocks and killing Israelis. Did you know it's become an easy way for them to make spare change?

Anyways thanks for finally admitting your Arab ethnicity it was about time. All your other immature postings under new nicks should also stop; you're not the only one that can play that game. Get a job and get on with life there's plenty of opportunity in the Arab world for you. Don't go blaming others for your social inadequacy on forums and chats. Deprogram yourself and discard all the lies that you've been told.

[takeo]

Palestinians never had any chance in Israel or the occupied territories.
And carter is week and Reagan has Alzheimer, please could you find some better arguments to support your views!!!!!!!!
And were did i say that i was Arab????????
of course the idea the Jewish "traitors" don't believe in your ideas in insupportable.
You know from some distance this discussion seems the more and more absurd, why in fact do i need to defend myself against insanity? History will judge upon you.
With the pastes i was making clear that i'm not alone in my opinion that Israel was not interested in real peace, but supported by facts and by the first president who ever brought peace between Israel and an Arab country. And that Israel did not hold onto the Oslo agreements and was not willing to retreat from the occupied territories in return for peace.
And newsguy you may be realistic enough to see that the occupied territories should be independant, yet in your heart you would despise such a decision, and always find excuses to postpone it, as does Sharon.

"It is very unfortunate, but I think that everyone needs to face the reality of the situation and be pragmatic. There will be a second Palestinian state alongside Israel and the bigger question is how to successfully defend against it. "

as egypt, and even hesbollah to some extend have shown, if you retreat from their territories they will stop the violence, and some international troops can controll the border and controll eastern Jerusalem. I think europe and the US would give a lot of $ for a final solution in the middleEast.



"What is clear to me is that there can be no allowances for millions of Palestinian enemies to be inserted into the heart of Israel. That would be disasterous. "

It wouldn't be any more disastrous than the Palestinians already inside Israel who never causes any harm to Israel, even if they have been discriminated. As long as they stay a minority, nothing much would change, only israel would become a more open civilisation and recognise its Palestinian civilians are aqual to Jews and not second-class.

"Remember, so far, Israel has survived many wars with the Arabs. The question now is whether Israel will be able to survive peace with the Arabs. "

Israel will not only survive but really benefit from it in economical way, and it would also improove daily life and mentality.(but of course a more open mentality would be a deterioration for you)

[L@mplighterM]

Make up your mind as far as I'm concerned I read your post as you being an Arab. Thank You!!!!!!

The Jews live there, lived there seeking peace. Move to France and take Arafat with you. He's the biggest con man I've ever seen. One day he wants peace the next war.

I saw him almost cry when he was interviewed on TV. His bottom lip quivering because he knows he's played his last con. He should go home and call it a day and take you with him. The buck has stopped!!!!! No more takeos or Arafats.

[victot]

now that were on the subject of what former presidents think, didnt bill clinton pretty much blame arafat exclusively for the current violence?
and he was in the middle east more than any other president...
say what you want about ronald reagan; but one thing you can't take away...
at 80 whatever years old, that man has a magnificent head of hair!!

[L@mplighterM]

What's the point takeo? Anyways I didn't know Arabs had a sense of humor.

[victot]

errr, sorry if i am wrong...
but lomplighter, are you accusing me of being takeo?

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by victot
now that were on the subject of what former presidents think, didnt bill clinton pretty much blame arafat exclusively for the current violence?
and he was in the middle east more than any other president...
say what you want about ronald reagan; but one thing you can't take away...
at 80 whatever years old, that man has a magnificent head of hair!!

Yes, Rockin' Ron Reagan was great.

As for Clinton, he did in fact put the blame squarely on Arafat for destroying the peace negotiations that the US wasted tons of time and energy putting together.

But had Clinton acted more forcefully against Arafat, there would have been a lot more progress made by this time.

One of the problems with Clinton's approach to the ME conflict was that he mistakenly thought that the Palestinians were civilized people able to make peace.

What Clinton had a hard time understanding is that he was dealing with Jihad mass murderers who were never looking to make peace in the first place, but to try to destroy Israel.

Clinton and his advisors were way too naive and never understood the Arab mentality of racism and ethnic cleansing. He made the same mistake with Osama bin Ladin, and he made the same mistake with Arafat bin Ladin. Noth were allowed to carry on, and both have caused the murder of thousands of innocent people.

[NewsGuy]

"With the pastes i was making clear that i'm not alone in my opinion that Israel was not interested in real peace, but supported by facts and by the first president who ever brought peace between Israel and an Arab country."

That's a complete distortion and misrepresentation of Jimmy Carter's position.


"And that Israel did not hold onto the Oslo agreements and was not willing to retreat from the occupied territories in return for peace."

Not true. Israel withdrew its troops completely from Arafatistan until Arab mass murderers did a few suicide bombings iun downtown Tel Aviv.


"And newsguy you may be realistic enough to see that the occupied territories should be independant, yet in your heart you would despise such a decision, and always find excuses to postpone it, as does Sharon."

No, expecting the Arabs to stop their terrorism for 7 days until negotiations can resume is not an excuse. It is a ridiculously low demand, but apparently something that the Arabs are incapable of accomplishing.


"as egypt, and even hesbollah to some extend have shown, if you retreat from their territories they will stop the violence"

Right. Hizbullah is a perfect example of what to expect from Arafatistan: Buying weapons from Iran, training terrorists to murder Jews, incitement to anti-semitism and hatred of Christians, support for al Qaeda terrorists, the kidnapping of the 4 Israelis, and continouosly firing missiles into Israeli towns.

I agree with you that the Lebanon lesson of withdrawing and giving prizes for Arab terrorism is a very important lesson to learn from when negotiating with the Arabs.

[Negev]

Originally posted by NewsGuy
No, expecting the Arabs to stop their terrorism for 7 days until negotiations can resume is not an excuse. It is a ridiculously low demand, but apparently something that the Arabs are incapable of accomplishing.

looking back at all these complaints about sharon, people are forgetting that he wanted only one simple thing to be able to withdraw israel's troops from the pa areas, which was for the arabs to stop their terrorism for 7 short days.

of course the french at the time were very shocked at this request becuase they knew that arabs cannot possibly do this.
a leopard cannot change its spots. arabs cannot stop terrorism against their neighbors. that's why they want to hand arafart a second palestinian state without a peace agreement.

until the arabs learn (or have all their their cities bombed into a parking lot) there can be no more land given to them. period.

and to dump a few million arabs into israel is pure lunacy that even arafart knows he must smoke on his arabian hooka to imagine such an outcome.

[L@mplighterM]

Sharon is a wimp he has to get a lot tougher a few lousy buildings here and there don’t even come near to sending a message. Give me a few examples where negotiations since 1948 have stopped terrorism in the Middle East. How about two examples? I'll settle for one. The Palestinians have prostetitis but instead of pi****g they kill, seven days without a shot being fired will never be a reality.

There’s no one to blame in Israel for failed agreements, plain and simple Palestinians/Arabs want all of Israel. ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It’s the story of Cinderella she makes something out of nothing the sister’s want it and they resort to violence ripping it from her body.

I suppose that’s the cost of doing business in Israel. I hate to sound hard like that but I feel that’s the reality of the situation. What exactly has the annual loss of Jewish life since 1948? 100 life’s per year? Now don’t get me wrong because I think one is too many. The Israelis like to listen to the radio news and know exactly (more or less) where their family is at any given time. So I suppose they’ve come to expect terrorism as a way of life and that’s why they stay tuned to their surroundings.

Truthfully I could not live there for any sustained period of time because I know my goal would be to destroy everything standing in order to stop terrorism. In other words all out war with a scorched earth policy, with the goal of achieving peace in my household.

The only TRUE ally Israel has is the US without it there would be no Israel. The US is a big brother that protects its sister. It could be argued that a bit more support should be forthcoming and I believe it will. In an indirect way Israel was helped by Dessert Storm (NATO) because it whittled Iraq down to size.

Since it doesn’t seem that peace will be forthcoming the focus should be on containment like it is now but to a larger degree. Continue on the covert avenue of assassinations but on a larger scale. The US has/will lift is ban on assassinations in foreign countries and Israel eventually should consider that as well (Not that it hasn’t been done already).

And the killing continues.