Settling the Settlement Issue Now and Forever

[Mediocrates]

I also said that being a survivor does not automatically qualify one as a nice person. Generally speaking survivors are not nice people. They are ruthless.

[Lowell]

I'm a Marxist, too. I think they were comedic geniuses!
Marxism

Seriously, takeo, it must be depressing for you to be in the company of Stalin, Kim Jong 2, etc. I commiserate! I feel your pain!

[Teacake]

I also said that being a survivor does not automatically qualify one as a nice person. Generally speaking survivors are not nice people. They are ruthless.

I have heard non-Jews put down JEws for not being compassionate enough since they have been though so much. But like what you have said, the more I go though I certainly don't grow more compasssionate but have grown weary and the idealistic view of people I had when I was younger has been replaced with much caution and a lot of dissapointment and at times, huge resentment.


Too long a sacrifice can make a stone of the heart.
- William Butler Yeats

[takeo]

yes, survivors are the toughest people! My grandparents and their parents had to go trough a lot, they were survivors too, and my grandfather was a ruthless stalinist. (i'm not by the way)

that's also why so many Israeli and Jews in general are so ruthless with lack of compassion, they or their family had to go trough a lot!

don't know if i'm betting on the wrong horse, the current international devellopment, both politically and economically, seem to indicate Marx was right, and marxist ideas are again very popular among a part of the European youth. Some of his followers made or still make terrible mistakes, but others succeeded quite succesfull in transforming their extremely backwards nation in a relatively affluent country. Capitalism on the other hand seems to have failed as the everlasting solution for solving poverty, at least in the thirth world, and even in the former soviet Union.

[minusthejihad]

Seriously, every time I scan over the text of Takeo's posts, I instantly see words pop out at me that remind me of China's Social Revolution, where they locked up the doctors, thinkers, etc., and replaced them with foolish college students that were all ideoistic, yet didn't know about nothing.

[Blueprint]

Outgoing and not serious is a culture? I could of swore those things were what we call 'personality traits'.

[takeo]

try to focus on the content instead of on the style please...
in maoist China i propably would have been condamned as a revisionist.

[Micah]

Hmmm, takeo, you ever visit this site before?

http://alexchiu.com/philosophy/corp.htm

[takeo]

don't need a thirth world war to come to that conclusion...

[Mediocrates]

Originally posted by Micah
Hmmm, takeo, you ever visit this site before?

http://alexchiu.com/philosophy/corp.htm

WTF is that? That is some kwazy shee-it.

[Micah]

BTW, that Alex chui calls Karl Marx a retard.

[MichaelC]

Originally posted by Lowell
I'm a Marxist, too. I think they were comedic geniuses!
Marxism

Seriously, takeo, it must be depressing for you to be in the company of Stalin, Kim Jong 2, etc. I commiserate! I feel your pain!

Hello Lowell, thank you for your bit of levity. With Takeo, any levity at all is a miracle to be gratefully embraced.

[MichaelC]

Originally posted by takeo
try to focus on the content instead of on the style please...
in maoist China i propably would have been condamned as a revisionist.

How we all wish, then, that you could have been there.

Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........................

[Carleen]

Originally posted by JohnG
This article seems to ignore the later half of the 20th century and the beginning of the 21st when seizure of land and expulsion of people became a bad thing! The international community made Iraq leave Kuwait, and controlled Serbian ethnic cleansing in Bosnia and Kosovo, not to mention that Germany and Japan had to give back their conquests.

If you agreed with this article you would have to agree that if a later and greater power could expel the Israeli's that would also be fine, and that would be a great evil, as would expelling any people from their homes.

This proposed line of action would leave Israel with even more people around it who would have claims of bad treatment from Israel and reason to dislike Israel. At some point a country needs friendly neighbors. America understood this in helping former enemies rebuild. Where is the Israeli Marshal Plan for the West Bank? We see American troops building bridges and homes in Afghanistan but no similar actions by the IDF in Jenin or elsewhere.

This response is very reasonable. Does anyone have a counterpoint?

Carleen

[MichaelC]

Originally posted by Carleen
This response is very reasonable. Does anyone have a counterpoint?

Carleen

You are referring to this statement by JohnG

Originally posted by JohnG
This article seems to ignore the later half of the 20th century and the beginning of the 21st when seizure of land and expulsion of people became a bad thing! The international community made Iraq leave Kuwait, and controlled Serbian ethnic cleansing in Bosnia and Kosovo, not to mention that Germany and Japan had to give back their conquests.

He has chosen to compare the constraints imposed upon aggressor nations who invaded others to the behavior that might be expected from nations who have themselves been invaded. As they say, "comparisons suffer when comparing apples and oranges."

It is the view of the great majority of the members of this board that Israel has always acted in a defensive capacity to the aggression of the many Arab nations who continually insist upon attacking her.

When a nation is attacked, I do not think that the same standards apply in the retention of security zones which are intended to prevent further attack.

Israel has always done its very best to accomodate the Arabs living in her midst, the reverse of which is untrue in all Arab countries. In fact, Jews are not even allowed to live in Jordan.

I do not wish to go too far astray with my comment. I really only wished to point out the obvious difference in what conditions are demanded from aggressor nations like Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Syria, etc, and the different expectations of the nation that is itself attacked and wishes to prevent the same nations from continuing in their aggression.