Indoctrination of Death

[abu afak]

Indoctrination of death
By Ryan Jones
Jerusalem - January 14, 2003

A senior IDF official reported Monday that what was at first believed to be two more Palestinian child terrorists sent to attack an Israeli convoy in Gaza were in fact young Arab men in their twenties.

The news that the two terrorists were slightly older than first imagined does not diminish the shocking reality that Palestinians are turning more and more to their young people to carry out acts of brutality against Israelis.

Over the past two weeks, three Palestinian teenagers have been killed and another two wounded during terrorist infiltrations of Gaza Jewish communities. They were all reportedly sent by the official Palestinian committee formed to oversee the terrorist war against Israel - an umbrella group that includes not only the likes of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, but Yasser Arafat's Fatah organization as well.

The use of children in such a cynical and deadly manner, and the complete lack of outrage among the Palestinian public in general is of little surprise, however, for those willing to see Palestinian society for what it has become over the past decade.

A child growing up in Palestinian Arab society is brought up to believe that not only is Israel a hated enemy, but that to die as a "martyr" while murdering as many Israelis as possible is a noble fate greatly to be desired.

This warped sense of reality is pounded into the young impressionable minds from all directions - at school, on TV and even from the adult figures around them.

The PA education system - and its European donors - has long been criticized for its curriculum of hatred, which teaches Palestinian children to view Israel as an enemy that must be eliminated, and to desire to die as "martyrs" in the glorious death struggle with the Jewish people.

The Center for Monitoring the Impact of Peace (www.edume.org) has meticulously documented this deadly and vile violation of the Oslo Accords.

PA-controlled television has been no better, and in many ways worse, considering the great hold TV can have on young people in today's world.

Children's programs on Palestinian television make use of the same type of fuzzy characters seen on similar shows around the globe, but the content of the programs is a world apart from what would be expected.

An ideology of hatred for Israel and glorification of death are the norms for the programming targeting Palestinian children.

One television clip relates for children the story of a Palestinian boy who goes to school one day, leaving his father with a bone-chilling letter reading:

"Do not be sad, my dear, and do not cry over my parting, oh my dear father. For my country, martyrdom… How sweet is martyrdom, when I embrace you oh my land!"

Set to emotive music, the clip ends with the "heroic" death of the young boy as he "embraces" the land.

This and other more horrifying scenes have been documented by the Palestinian Media Watch organization (www.pmw.org.il).

Perhaps most detrimental in the skewed upbringing of Palestinian children, however, is the great honor given to child "martyrs" by their parents and the other adults around them.

Young minds are easily taken in and persuaded by the actions and words of the parental figures in their lives. This is true in every country, and no less so in the PA-controlled territories.

While every Palestinian parent certainly is not eager for their children to die, television scenes of rampant jubilation by Arab parents in Judea, Samaria and Gaza following the death of their children in a "martyrdom operations" against Israelis do take a toll.

Palestinian parents are regularly shown handing out candy and celebrating the deaths of their young ones following terrorist attacks on Israelis. These televised scenes have a major impact on Palestinian children - more so for any children who may actually be in the vicinity of such a celebration of death.

A yearning to soak the earth with their own blood and that of their victims is often expressed by Palestinian children as a result of these factors.

The words of former Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir continue to ring true:

"We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us."

That time, clearly, has not yet come.


© 2002-2003 Jerusalem Newswire

[Mediocrates]

It was reported yesterday in jpost I think that the older of the two could not be questioned because he was incoherent, clearly drugged. I'm not sure which is worse, making someone want to kill or forcing someone to kill.

[alias]

Hi,

I was pondering on this thought, whilst studying for exams about the ability of a human to lose his/her own humanity. By that I mean losing the essence of one's morality. Or perhaps losing the simple ability to value human life no matter whether it be a serial killer on death row, or the most loved celebrity on the silver screen. I was applying this to the Israel/Palestinian (Arab) situation and I think this is the underlying root cause.

There is one truth, as there is one God. The truth does not sit on the fence nor does she sway to the winds of reasons offered up by the generations of people who come and go. The truth stands firm, and unmoved. I believe in the truth as set in the Holy Bible as given to me by the nation of Israel, who under the strict instructions of their God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, kept every letter and every line, and every phrase exactly as He had commanded, without altering by adding or taking away a single thing.

One of the great truths is God's love for His chosen people. He has great love for them, and He provided for them a land of their own amongst the godless nations. The chosen land is not as big (geographically speaking) as the lands which Esau's lineage inherited. It was to this tiny allotment of land that Israel inherited. The promised land, is the land of Israel's period. This is the truth, and the truth can not be compromised because if it were to be compromised, then the God of Israel would be a liar, and He is not a liar.

Obviously there are great number of people in this world who hate this truth. Many say that the bible is not valid enough, and nor should we use it as a major justification for Israel's right to the promised land. Many people are unwilling to place their trust in the bible, even though this book is the number one best seller in the world, and even though it has been universally loved, (and condemened) and has stood the tests of time, way longer than any other text. Rather people are willing to place their trust in a whole plethora of "politically" correct opinions mostly issued forth by the UN.

Israel is fighting a battle to exist. She is fighting a battle against all the nations surrounding her. She is fighting for the right to live and breathe in the promised land. Granted that Israel will undertake some serious measures to secure the safety of her citizens, serious situations call for serious measures. I have not as yet (correct me if I'm wrong) seen any Israeli children going out to the front lines or to the borders seperating Palestinian (Arab) refugee camps and pick up rocks to throw. I have heard of settlers taking the law into their own hands and picking up a gun to kill Palestinians, but they have been dealt with severely by the Israeli Defence Forces, and the justice system in Israel. Is Arafat serious when he arrests palestinian terrorists, no...he lets them out a day after they've been captured...this is what is known as the "revolving door" phenomenon.

When you engage in military combat you lose both the guilty and the innocents on both sides, that is what is expected. But what alarms me is the lack of human morality on the palestinian side. What alarms me is that Israel is confronting a whole nation (palestinian) of people who have lost their common humanity and even decency. It has been made increasingly apparant to me that the palestinians and the muslim arabs in general take delight in the death and suffering of their "enemies". They actually dance in the streets when Israelis get killed.

Whilst Israel certainly has errors and faults, and human rights abuses, it is nothing in comparison to the absolute griveous lack of humanity on the palestinian side. One might say that this is because of the Israeli occupation...but if you were to look honestly at the situation it is not the Israeli occupation that is killing the palestinians but Arafat's military dictatorship which is killing his people. it is surprising how the world can condemn the only democratic nation in the mid East but yet turn a blind eye to the appalling lack of government on the palestinian side.

The palestinian lack of humanity, and decency is something that is reminiscent of many of Israel's worst enemies. Like the philistines who taunted Israel night and day before David came along to prove a point, Israel is again being mocked by the people who bear the Roman version of that name. Do you seriously think that the God of Israel does not hear His people's suffering...is the memory of mankind so bad as to forget what happened to Egypt who had persecuted Israel non stop and kept them in bondage. The cries of God's chosen people reached His ears, and He heard of their sufferings because of the Egyptian taskmasters.

I believe in every single world of the bible, and there are too many references which caution the gentile nations on their treatment of Israel. The God of Israel sees and hears all things, and like nations before us, the God of Israel gave them fair chance and fair warning. The palestinians can assert all they want, and in the process lose every aspect of their moral human decency until they become nothing but animals but it changes nothing. What remains is that God had determined long before Arafat came onto the scene where His chosen people would live.

Turn around palestinians, turn back that you might live. There is no reason for you to do this at all. As the God of Israel once said "let my people go" and He is giving you plenty of warning and plenty of chances. If a great calamity befalls your head, it will be because you rejected the hand of peace that was held out to you time and time again, because of the hatred you have inside. The violence you perperate will come to visit you, and when you reap what you sew will there be palestinians left to tell of what had happened.

[andak01]

Originally posted by alias
[B]There is one truth, as there is one God. The truth does not sit on the fence nor does she sway to the winds of reasons offered up by the generations of people who come and go. The truth stands firm, and unmoved. I believe in the truth as set in the Holy Bible as given to me by the nation of Israel, who under the strict instructions of their God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, kept every letter and every line, and every phrase exactly as He had commanded, without altering by adding or taking away a single thing.

That's why Muslims still honor these messengers. It wasn't until after them that the games began. With 50 versions of the Bible that differ from each other by whole Books, somebody's got to have it wrong. But, I'm sure that you feel assured that your own version is the one true one.

One of the great truths is God's love for His chosen people. He has great love for them, and He provided for them a land of their own amongst the godless nations. The chosen land is not as big (geographically speaking) as the lands which Esau's lineage inherited. It was to this tiny allotment of land that Israel inherited. The promised land, is the land of Israel's period. This is the truth, and the truth can not be compromised because if it were to be compromised, then the God of Israel would be a liar, and He is not a liar.

I don't believe God is a liar, but aren't things just a little compromised by having all these Christians around telling the Jews they should be worshipping Christ? Those are the nice ones, the ones that don't go on about how the Jews betrayed Jesus.

Many people are unwilling to place their trust in the bible, even though this book is the number one best seller in the world, and even though it has been universally loved, (and condemened) and has stood the tests of time, way longer than any other text.

Er, the Vedas come to mind.

Rather people are willing to place their trust in a whole plethora of "politically" correct opinions mostly issued forth by the UN.

Explain. The UN is presently conducting an inspection of Saddam. How is this PC.

I have not as yet (correct me if I'm wrong) seen any Israeli children going out to the front lines or to the borders seperating Palestinian (Arab) refugee camps and pick up rocks to throw.

What a ridiculous statement. I haven't seen any Harvard grads mugging people either. The affluent use the tools of affluence, helicoptors and tanks.

What alarms me is that Israel is confronting a whole nation (palestinian) of people who have lost their common humanity and even decency.

The Jews should know (and some of them do) what happens to people subjected to long stints of ghetto life.

It has been made increasingly apparant to me that the palestinians and the muslim arabs in general take delight in the death and suffering of their "enemies". They actually dance in the streets when Israelis get killed.

They can't afford to buy expensive monuments and put street lamps around them, such as was done for Baruch Goldstein, the mass murderer.

Whilst Israel certainly has errors and faults, and human rights abuses,

Don't say that here!

it is nothing in comparison to the absolute griveous lack of humanity on the palestinian side.

That one's ok.

One might say that this is because of the Israeli occupation...but if you were to look honestly at the situation it is not the Israeli occupation that is killing the palestinians but Arafat's military dictatorship which is killing his people. it is surprising how the world can condemn the only democratic nation in the mid East but yet turn a blind eye to the appalling lack of government on the palestinian side.

WHose turning a blind eye. Abu, if he proves nothing else, has done a good job of showing just how must hatred survives on the net.

[Frans_1]

I think Andak's stated objective on this board was to defend Islam ? Well, watching his participation, he is not at all convincing in either defending his religion or convincing in his statement he _is_ defending Islam. That is, if I understand correctly in the sense of defending the validity of ones belief. We all know how some "can have" different "understandings" of the same word. Eg : "Peace" "War" "truth" "lies" "Tolerance" or even "Peace treaties"

What I have seen from the Andaks of the Internet, as commonly seen from many posters (claiming to be Muslims) is not so much defending Islam but a constant stream of meaningless invective and attacks against others . But I am sure, this is not representative .

[andak01]

Originally posted by Frans_1
I think Andak's stated objective on this board was to defend Islam ? Well, watching his participation, he is not at all convincing in either defending his religion or convincing in his statement he _is_ defending Islam. That is, if I understand correctly in the sense of defending the validity of ones belief. We all know how some "can have" different "understandings" of the same word. Eg : "Peace" "War" "truth" "lies" "Tolerance" or even "Peace treaties"

No. My participation in this board is to share my viewpoint and aspects of my religion. As usual, I am put in the defensive position by people pasting Islamaphobic material. I have plenty of tolerance, but even my defenses are seen as attacks. As I mentioned to another poster, the material exists for me to post articles as well. I do not chose to because it just heats up the issue even further. What I would like to do is to show that Muslims are in fact, not animals but humans with human feelings and concerns. If you say there are bigots among us, I say to you that bigotry is a human problem. If you say that there are oppressors among us, I say to you that oppression is a human problem. To blame all the problems of the world on Islam is to ignore a great many very real issues. And to dehumanize us is to dehumanize yourselves.

As I warned, hatred of Islam and failure to distinguish political issues from religious issues is part of Osamu's plan. He wants Muslims to be hated, so that the world WILL go to war with us. Then he will have plenty of recruits.

Everytime you have a conversation or shake hands with a Muslim, you are destroying his plan and you are fighting terrorism. And everytime you see Muslims as a violent monolith and rail against us, you are helping to normalize Islamism. No, I don't feel that the world of Muslims are in a lesser Jihad at this point. How long is that going to last if I am taken away from my means of work, deported and bombed?

And it isn't just the Osamu's. It is histerical to me the way that Christians like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell feel that they can manipulate the world's Jews towards further hatred of Islam. There are no two religions more alike than Judaeism and Islam. And if we haven't always lived in peace, our overall history is no worse than that of the Jews and the Christians (pretty dismal really).

[Frans_1]

As usual, I am put in the defensive position by people pasting Islamaphobic material.

I did not, to my knowledge.

[Frans_1]

You cannot claim "Islamaphobic" in this case as the Islamic faith was not even mentioned in the article Abu Afak pasted. The closest was "Islamic Jihad".

You can call it Palestinian-Authority-Phobic, however. The whole thing was not about Islam. Is that a problem ? is Palestinian-Authority-Phobic equivalent to Islamaphobic in your view ? Bearing in mind the principle of what you just said : "distinguish political issues from religious issues".

[andak01]

Originally posted by Frans_1
I did not, to my knowledge.

Well, I got a little heated yesterday. I am sorry if I crossed any lines. One thing, the design of this forum makes it difficult to look up my previous posts. I used to be able to see them in a list. Now I can't even know when someone has responded to me.

[Frans_1]

So how exactly was that article about Islam ? Whether or not you accept the veracity of what was claimed, Palestinian Authority is not = Islam . I can say that.....and I'm not even Muslim... either!. Of all the posters in this thread, no one implied this, other than you (andak) Alias' long post was about Christianity, not about Islam. He did not even use the word Islam. By the way, that was Alias' first post. He hasn't had the chance to paste anything Islamophic , yet.

[Frans_1]

It is histerical to me the way that Christians like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell

I cannot make equivalences between Robertson and Falwell to "Osamu" although you (andak and CAIR's Hooper) apparently can. Of course, anything is possible given it is possible (elsewhere) to draw equivalences between the doctrine of loving ones enemies and the practice of terrorism.

But what is really hysterical is to compare what just those two said with what pours out daily from the mouths of the speakers of Saudi Arabian mosques, for example. No comparison whatsoever.

[andak01]

Originally posted by Frans_1
I cannot make equivalences between Robertson and Falwell to "Osamu" although you (andak and CAIR's Hooper) apparently can. Of course, anything is possible given it is possible (elsewhere) to draw equivalences between the doctrine of loving ones enemies and the practice of terrorism.

But what is really hysterical is to compare what just those two said with what pours out daily from the mouths of the speakers of Saudi Arabian mosques, for example. No comparison whatsoever.

I guess you don't get the 24 hour a day dose of Christian charismatic preachings like we do here. At least the Jews know where Osamu stands. He hates you. The Christians just want Jews to assist them to establish their version of Armageddon so that they can watch the Jews burn in Hell from their reclining chair on the right side of Jesus. I here plenty of this kind of talk openly on the radio and on TV. This is the kind of allies they are. I can see why the Israelis are courting the Hindis.

[Frans_1]

What is the connection you (Andak) made between the palestinian article and the Islamic religion ? I made no such connection personally. Do you think Islam is responsible in some way , hence "defensive position" ?

[Frans_1]

I guess you don't get the 24 hour a day dose of Christian charismatic preachings like we do here. At least the Jews know where Osamu stands. He hates you. The Christians just want Jews to assist them to establish their version of Armageddon so that they can watch the Jews burn in Hell from their reclining chair on the right side of Jesus. I here plenty of this kind of talk openly on the radio and on TV. This is the kind of allies they are. I can see why the Israelis are courting the Hindis.

You really shouldn't be throwing this particular basket of stones. But I hope that taunt is not what you mean by sharing the aspects of your religion or the usual Muslim way of sharing the Muslim viewpoint ?

<refrains from picking up and throwing back the obvious anti-muslim taunt to your gibe>

[Mediocrates]

Originally posted by andak01
I guess you don't get the 24 hour a day dose of Christian charismatic preachings like we do here. At least the Jews know where Osamu stands. He hates you. The Christians just want Jews to assist them to establish their version of Armageddon so that they can watch the Jews burn in Hell from their reclining chair on the right side of Jesus. I here plenty of this kind of talk openly on the radio and on TV. This is the kind of allies they are. I can see why the Israelis are courting the Hindis.

That's relevant only if you think it's possible. I'm more than willing to coopt that for my own purposes because I am 100% sure they are wrong about armaggedon. If they see Israel as their own stepping stone to some other reality then I can live with it.