History of The Sudan

[MichaelC]

Originally posted by abu afak
INTERNATIONAL TEAM UNCOVERS KILLING FIELDS IN SOUTH SUDAN

Liang, South Sudan, February 6, 2003 --

In late January, 2003, an international team of US and Canadian experts traveled to Liang, Upper Nile Province, where they discovered fields littered with human remains, many of them from young children. Interviews with local survivors confirmed that the remains were those of victims of an unprovoked attack upon the unarmed civilian villages of Liang, Dengaji, Kawaji and Yawaji in late April 2002.

It is estimated that between 1/3 to 1/2 of the original 6,000 civilians living in the region were killed in the attack. The attackers were reported by the survivors to be Sudan regular army from the Boing Garrison, commanded by Brigadier General Ibrahim Saleh. Striking in the early morning while the villagers slept, the heavily armed Government of Sudan (GOS) soldiers began killing the unarmed residents and burning their houses.

The attackers were reportedly armed with 60 mm mortars, rocket-propelled grenades, 12.7mm heavy machine guns and AK-47 assault rifles. In a videotaped interview, Mr. Tunya Jok described the horrors as he witnessed his 4-year –old daughter shot and killed as she fled from the GOS soldiers. Then his 6-year-old son was captured and beheaded by the soldiers. His body was thrown into a burning hut and his head planted upright facing away from the hut.

Servant’s Heart, Freedom Quest International and The Voice of the Martyrs (Canada) call for an investigation by the international Civilian Protection and Monitoring Team assigned to report on violations of the March, 2002 agreement between the Government of Sudan and the Sudanese People’s Liberation Movement. Among other things, both sides agreed not to attack civilian targets. We also call on the US State Department to include this incident in their Sudan Peace Act-mandated report to Congress on atrocities and war criminals in Southern Sudan..""

http://www.blue-nile.org/

It would appear, Abu, that andak does not bother to pay attention to anything that could ever be construed as derogatory to Muslims, no matter how many mass murders are laid at their door.

Only a few Muslims involved in that, after all. Busy couple of guys those two !!

[Gautama]

Andy, Andy, Andy...you're such a glutton for punishment. I leave you a message on your homepage and you don't respond. Why? because I find you here , arguing as if you miss ole GN.

Yes, you know who I am, ha.

You also know that I'm of the opinion that nobody who has blurred the lines between religion and state has hands free of blood, and it's especially true of any/all Abrahamic religions.

I also know that everybody on all sides is gonna proclaim that I'm going to spontaneously combust (going to hell straight away) when I take the atheists position that every last religion that has proclaimed itself to be the only true religion, that they believe firmly that they know the way to heaven, are actually the most talented for sending the planet straight to hell on earth.

No government--bar none--that ever was religious-based was ever any good for anything but bringing hell to the planet.

Andy, please visit your homepage and read the message I left you there, for auld lang syne and the exiled gang, as it were. GN remains lost to us, at least for now, so it's safe, ha.

[andak01]

Originally posted by MichaelC
It would appear, Abu, that andak does not bother to pay attention to anything that could ever be construed as derogatory to Muslims, no matter how many mass murders are laid at their door.

Only a few Muslims involved in that, after all. Busy couple of guys those two !!

Let me put my assessment of the posts that Abu and I have put up recently. There is an Islamic group running the government of Sudan in the North and they commit war crimes. There is a Christian/Animist group in the South and they commit war crimes. They both are more interested in controlling oil than in praying and following their respective religions. One side is funded by Russia and China and possibly Iran, the other by Israel and the U.S.

The main source of information on all of this comes from CSI (Christian Solidarity International), a Christian Missionary group run out of Switzerland. The SPLA, one of the war crime committing rebel armies working in cahoots with the Dinka tribe have invited CSI and some western reporters for a road tour. They allow themselves to be photographed and give interviews freely in order to manipulate the press and to garner donations.

The best scam they have come up with is using the fear and hatred the missionaries already have for Arabs to gain profit. By claiming to have evidence of slaves, they can turn a tidy profit with which to buy more weapons and commit more attrocities.

Slavery is a beautiful hot button. Like tribes throughout Africa, both Muslim and non-Muslim, they (local tribes of all religions) capture prisoners after battle and make slaves of them. We don't have any dirt on the Dinka because they are ALWAYS the acting hosts to the journalists and missionaries. It's also impossible to say how wide spread this practice is, because proferring money in return for showing slaves in a poor place is likely to produce slaves. You could no doubt produce cannibals in the same fashion.

I don't see any information coming from the North. Those people don't seem to like journalists, and guess how they get treated by the media.

The types and number of war crimes committed are very typical of what we saw in Cambodia, Rwanda, Liberia, Congo, Angola, etc. None of these places have a significant Muslim population, but we heard of women being gang raped, women being taken as sex slaves, decapitations, dismemberments, etc. Of course we want to stop war crimes, but I wouldn't single out the Muslims as the world's genocide specialists. My question is, why we ignored the Liberian Civil War and Rwanda while we are so interested in Sudan. Could it be that there is a giant fricking oil pipeline running directly into the disputed territory?!

[abu afak]

Originally posted by MichaelC
It would appear, Abu, that andak does not bother to pay attention to anything that could ever be construed as derogatory to Muslims, no matter how many mass murders are laid at their door.

Only a few Muslims involved in that, after all. Busy couple of guys those two !!

http://www.endgenocide.org/genocide/sudan.html

Genocide in Sudan

Who: Southern ethnic and religious groups
When: 1983 to present
Where: Mainly southern Sudan with some northern spillover
Estimated Numbers: Approx. 2 million killed, 4-5 million displaced

Sudan long has experienced conflicts over religious, ethnic, and political differences. It geographically is split in half by its ethno-religious composition. The north is mainly Muslim of Arab and Spanish descent while the south is Christian or traditional animist black African with several tribes or bands further dividing identity. In 1983 the dominant Muslim parties under the National Islamic Front declared the institution of Islamic law, which protected religious minorities under Muslim rules of pluralism. Non-Muslim political groups however perceived the declaration as a threat, and a civil war broke out. From the southern territories, the Sudan People's Liberation Army (military wing) and Liberation Movement (political wing) called for political autonomy for the south and joined an alliance of anti-government groups consisting of parties from both north and south. The Islamic Front launched a suppressive response to the challenge and occupied many southern villages, often destroying them in the process.

Ethnically, the battle lines were drawn between southern Nuer and the Upper Nile, and the southeastern Dinkas vs. Didinga. The occupying forces created a slave trade of southern Christians and, according to the US Committee for Refugees, around 2 million people have been killed and 4 to 5 million internally displaced since 1983. Refugee organizations report that, as of 1999, 420,000 Sudanese refugees are dispersed across 7 countries. To add to the hardship, the UNHCR estimates that 391,500 external refugees from neighboring conflicts have fled into Sudan over the past 35 years.

Relief operations became involved with Sudan in 1967 to aid in supporting the mass influx of refugees from Eritrea, Ethiopia, Chad, Uganda, DRC, and Somalia. Since the civil war started, the UN's Operation Lifeline Sudan and the Red Cross have provided food and provisions to the refugees and villagers and monitored developments. Unfortunately, the Sudanese government has detained humanitarian shipments, restricted distribution of aid to the opposition groups, and bombed civilian and Red Cross airstrips.

For more information:
United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
US Committee for Refugees


http://www.endgenocide.org/genocide/sudan.html

[MichaelC]

Originally posted by andak01
Let me put my assessment of the posts that Abu and I have put up recently. There is an Islamic group running the government of Sudan in the North and they commit war crimes. There is a Christian/Animist group in the South and they commit war crimes. They both are more interested in controlling oil than in praying and following their respective religions. One side is funded by Russia and China and possibly Iran, the other by Israel and the U.S.

The main source of information on all of this comes from CSI (Christian Solidarity International), a Christian Missionary group run out of Switzerland. The SPLA, one of the war crime committing rebel armies working in cahoots with the Dinka tribe have invited CSI and some western reporters for a road tour. They allow themselves to be photographed and give interviews freely in order to manipulate the press and to garner donations.

The best scam they have come up with is using the fear and hatred the missionaries already have for Arabs to gain profit. By claiming to have evidence of slaves, they can turn a tidy profit with which to buy more weapons and commit more attrocities.

Slavery is a beautiful hot button. Like tribes throughout Africa, both Muslim and non-Muslim, they (local tribes of all religions) capture prisoners after battle and make slaves of them. We don't have any dirt on the Dinka because they are ALWAYS the acting hosts to the journalists and missionaries. It's also impossible to say how wide spread this practice is, because proferring money in return for showing slaves in a poor place is likely to produce slaves. You could no doubt produce cannibals in the same fashion.

I don't see any information coming from the North. Those people don't seem to like journalists, and guess how they get treated by the media.

The types and number of war crimes committed are very typical of what we saw in Cambodia, Rwanda, Liberia, Congo, Angola, etc. None of these places have a significant Muslim population, but we heard of women being gang raped, women being taken as sex slaves, decapitations, dismemberments, etc. Of course we want to stop war crimes, but I wouldn't single out the Muslims as the world's genocide specialists. My question is, why we ignored the Liberian Civil War and Rwanda while we are so interested in Sudan. Could it be that there is a giant fricking oil pipeline running directly into the disputed territory?!

Abu Afak has posted a link to the UN's Campaign To End Genocide and so, all I have to say is, if everybody would just deal with the skeletons in the closets of their own belief, then the nations of the world would not have to deal with it.

I cannot help but use powerful language in addressing issues that involve the brutal deaths of millions of innocent people. I do not accrept the typical baloney excuse that "oil" is the reason for all modern war.

Horrendous slaughter is occurring and you keep seeking to make excuses for your "side". Yes, "your side". It is perfectly clear that no matter what evidence is offered you, you will continue to believe that the decadent West is the cause of all problems in the world, and that the oppressed, poverty stricken, and uneducated world of Islam is at worst, merely acting in kind.

You simply cannot convince anyone, other than those who basically hate the West, that Islam is a wholly "peaceful" entity.

Furthermore, ignoring the abuses of Islam and casting them in a "well, everybody else in history did such things, so what's so bad about Islam doing the same" framework, is so obviously lame, that I don't know why I even bother to continue to point it out.

I have no doubts that you will continue this tact in any reply you may be so bold as to make to my post.

[andak01]

You accuse me of blaming all the world's problems on oil, which I do not. I would accuse you and Abu of blaming the world's problems on Islam. We had thousands of years of genocide before there was ever such a thing as Islam. And I have nothing good to say for anyone that commits it. There is a difference between genocide and a Civil War. All of the Human Rights groups with the exception of CSI refer to this as a Civil War. There are two armed sides that have maintained conflict primarily centered around oil deposits for years now. This conflict has the same backers (Russia, China vs. USA, Israel) and the same motive (oil). If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

http://www.mediamonitors.net/espac3.html

Groups such as Christian Solidarity International (CSI) and British activists such as Baroness Cox claim that the people involved in the "slave trade" are governments forces including northern Arab "slave traders" and "militiamen". These groups and activists then further allege that in the course of visits to parts of southern Sudan they have engaged in "slave redemptions" whereby southern Sudanese tribesmen, women and children are supposedly "bought back" from northern Sudanese tribesmen said to have abducted them. These groups claim to have "bought" back or "redeemed" thousands of slaves, often several hundred at a time, from Arab traders . (2)

There is a considerable body of independent opinion that finds these claims deeply questionable. It should perhaps firstly be noted that the claims made by Baroness Cox and CSI have long been criticized by human rights organizations and activists. Amongst these have been the United Nations and its agencies such as UNICEF. (3) The respected human rights expert, and Sudan specialist, Alex de Waal, while co-director of the human rights group African Rights, has also said of the claims made by Baroness Cox that:

"(O)vereager or misinformed human rights advocates in Europe and the US have played upon lazy assumptions to raise public outrage. Christian Solidarity International, for instance, claims that "Government troops and Government-backed Arab militias regularly raid black African communities for slaves and other forms of booty". The organization repeatedly uses the term "slave raids", implying that taking captives is the aim of government policy. This despite the fact that there is no evidence for centrally-organized, government-directed slave raiding or slave trade." (4)

http://www.mediareviewnet.com/Americ...on%20Sudan.htm

http://www.sufo.demon.co.uk/poli005.htm

...As detailed further on in this letter, reports on Sudan by Christian Solidarity International have lacked any sense of balance and objectivity and have been somewhat selective in their reading of recent Sudanese history. The reports, for example, have made no mention of the thousands of adult black Sudanese and young boys who have been abducted or kidnapped by the SPLA and subjected to forced conscription and forced labour, practices which by your own definition qualify as the practice of slavery.

Dr Reeves stated that "oil development efforts are expanding very rapidly, and the consequences for civilians have been - and will continue to be - devastating". (6) Dr Reeves also claims that the Government has displaced all the population around the oil fields, "orchestrating a ferocious scorched-earth policy in the area of the oil fields and pipelines." (7) These claims are typical of allegations of displacement at the behest of the Sudanese government and oil companies that Dr Reeves has been repeating for the past eighteen months or so.

* Roger Winter, executive director of the United States Committee for Refugees, has claimed that "ethnic cleansing linked to oil development in southern Sudan is causing massive civilian displacement" in southern Sudan. He has also alleged that "tens of thousands of Sudanese civilians have fled from southern Sudan's oil region during the past year as the Sudanese government seeks to expand its oil operations". (8)

[abu afak]

Originally posted by andak01
You accuse me of blaming all the world's problems on oil, which I do not. I would accuse you and Abu of blaming the world's problems on Islam. We had thousands of years of genocide before there was ever such a thing as Islam. And I have nothing good to say for anyone that commits it. There is a difference between genocide and a Civil War. All of the Human Rights groups with the exception of CSI refer to this as a Civil War. There are two armed sides that have maintained conflict primarily centered around oil deposits for years now. This conflict has the same backers (Russia, China vs. USA, Israel) and the same motive (oil). If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

http://www.mediamonitors.net/espac3.html

Oil is only a more recent Development for the Butcherous Arabs of the North.

Mediamonitors.net, like andak, is not as innocuous as it sounds; it is owned, run, and edited, by Muhammed Ali Khan; and the site, also like andak, is a Muslim apologist wonder.


as to his sufo.demon.co.uk Link and it's Hoile article and quotes..
It is also rebutted by those it accuses: http://www.web.net/~iccaf/humanright...onse062300.htm

[andak01]

Originally posted by abu afak
Oil is only a more recent Development for the Butcherous Arabs of the North.

Mediamonitors.net, like andak, is not as innocuous as it sounds; it is owned, run, and edited, by Muhammed Ali Khan; and the site, also like andak, is a Muslim apologist wonder.


as to his sufo.demon.co.uk Link and it's Hoile article..
It is also rebutted by those it accuses: http://www.web.net/~iccaf/humanright...onse062300.htm

I see, because Muhammed Ali Khan has an Arab name, he is not to be trusted. Thanks for showing your true colors. Presumably if he had stuck my Western sounding real name at the bottom, it would have been more trustworthy. This isn't surprising. You have made it abundantly clear that you think of all Muslims as liars. They would have to be, since they don't agree with you that one fifth of the world's population is evil.

[abu afak]

Originally posted by andak01
I see, because Muhammed Ali Khan has an Arab name, he is not to be trusted. Thanks for showing your true colors. Presumably if he had stuck my Western sounding real name at the bottom, it would have been more trustworthy. This isn't surprising. You have made it abundantly clear that you think of all Muslims as liars. They would have to be, since they don't agree with you that one fifth of the world's population is evil.

I was pointing out to the board who runs this official and innocuous sounding website. It is certainly not only fair game, but useful information on any link.

I have run across This particular Inaccurate site Many times before.

I do not think all Muslims are Liars at all (though Your posts haven't helped my impression), and many, Unlike You, will tell you the truth... Like the 75% of Kuwaits who think Osama is a Hero.
... Of course, most Arabs are still in denial that another Arab/Muslim even committed 9/11

[andak01]

Let me get this straight, are you acusing Muhammed Ali Khan of running a pseudo news agency devoted to dismissing stories that make Arabs look bad? That would kind of act as a counterbalance to CAMERA, whose only interest IS making Arabs look bad, oh, and Israel look good. Sometimes Arabs do look bad. Not every single time.

[MichaelC]

Originally posted by andak01
Let me get this straight, are you acusing Muhammed Ali Khan of running a pseudo news agency devoted to dismissing stories that make Arabs look bad? That would kind of act as a counterbalance to CAMERA, whose only interest IS making Arabs look bad, oh, and Israel look good. Sometimes Arabs do look bad. Not every single time.

Not much need be done in order to make Arabs and Islam look bad. The problem is that people like you do not wish to deal with those things but rather attempt to mitigate such bad behavior by seeking desperately to equate it with any bad behavior that you can dredge from the historical record.

People are dying in great numbers right now, but YOU don't seem to care. You just don't want it blamed on anyone who happens to make the claim that they are Muslim.

Too bad, guy. Thousands upon thousands of bloody deaths are perpetrated by those who can quote Koranic verse better than you.

[abu afak]

Originally posted by andak01
Let me get this straight, are you acusing Muhammed Ali Khan of running a pseudo news agency devoted to dismissing stories that make Arabs look bad? That would kind of act as a counterbalance to CAMERA, whose only interest IS making Arabs look bad, oh, and Israel look good. Sometimes Arabs do look bad. Not every single time.

How obtuse are you?

You Lie about CAMERA too:

andrek: "whose only interest IS making Arabs look bad, oh, and Israel look good."

CAMERA could not care less about Arabs; it's only concern is the accuracy of Stories about Israel in the Media, regardless of source. It's stories are first hand Facts and interviews of the reporters and Media themselves about the story.

You will Never Find Blatant Religous/Biased Tripe like this on CAMERA

http://www.mediamonitors.net/khodr82.html (You must be Joking!)(seems the Khan IS running 'psuedo news agency'... in fact, that would be a compliment... ' pure propaganda' is more like it)



Or Extroadinarily biased Political articles on the I-P conflict like this:

http://www.mediamonitors.net/archive.html

written by Islamist and anti-Israel authors.


NO Comparison... but of course, DIShonest comparison, and Lies are your specialty.

[Gautama]

Kids, kids, kids...allow me to reveal just how "obtuse" I happen to be, by simply quoting a passage that y'all have overlooked in abu afak's "genocide" citation...

Originally posted by abu afak
[B]http://www.endgenocide.org/genocide/sudan.html

Genocide in Sudan

Who: Southern ethnic and religious groups
When: 1983 to present
Where: Mainly southern Sudan with some northern spillover
Estimated Numbers: Approx. 2 million killed, 4-5 million displaced
========fastforwarding to...===============

In 1983 the dominant Muslim parties under the National Islamic Front declared the institution of Islamic law, which protected religious minorities under Muslim rules of pluralism. Non-Muslim political groups however perceived the declaration as a threat, and a civil war broke out.

===========snip===============================

This passage, as written, proposes that the non-Muslim political groups instigated the violence under the color of self-defense.

College level English professors have judged my command of the English language to be exemplary enough to be able to interpret this passage correctly.

[abu afak]

What do your College English professors make of this part of the post you conveniently ignore?

Originally posted by abu afak
http://www.endgenocide.org/genocide/sudan.html

Genocide in Sudan

Who: Southern ethnic and religious groups
......
.....
http://www.endgenocide.org/genocide/sudan.html

OR This

Originally posted by abu afak
THE PROBLEM

Sudan, Africa’s largest country geographically, has endured civil war that spans four decades. Especially since 1983, Sudan has been devastated by a jihad or holy war led by the militant National Islamic Front (NIF), the ruling regime in Khartoum, against all in Southern Sudan and the Nuba Mountains who oppose the imposition of Shari’a (Islamic) law. The NIF is killing, displacing, and enslaving the black African population in genocidal proportions. Christians are special targets. Over 2,000,000 civilians have died, and another 4.5 million have been forced to flee their homes at least once since 1983. Government brutality includes:

Slavery -- Tens of thousands of women and children have been abducted, beaten or raped, and taken north into slavery. Much of the slave raiding takes place in Khartoum’s “scorched earth” campaigns. Crops and villages are burned, cattle are stolen or slaughtered, men and the weak and elderly are killed, and women are enslaved. Children are either enslaved or forcibly converted. Boys may be relocated to concentration camps called “peace villages” where they are brainwashed and sent to fight against their own people

Bombing -- The NIF targets civilian hospitals, feeding centers, schools, and churches. Khartoum bombed civilian and humanitarian targets at least 152 times in 2000, including the Christmas season bombing of Fraser Cathedral in Lui. There were at least eight confirmed bomb attacks in the first three weeks of January 2001. Khartoum’s growing oil revenues are financing helicopter gunships and tanks, as well as improved bombing aircraft.

Starvation – Manmade famine is the NIF’s most powerful weapon in its war of genocide. The regime systematically burns crops, kills livestock, uses its UN-sanctioned veto power to ban relief, and requires conversion to Islam for food. By blocking aid in 1998, the regime brought 2.6 million south Sudanese to the brink of starvation and caused 100,000 hunger-related deaths. Today 60,000 refugees in the Blue Nile region and 20,000 in the Nuba Mountains are being denied critical food and medical supplies.
The misery and suffering in Sudan is compounded by lack of education, total poverty, rampant disease, and by the NIF regime’s Greater Nile Oil Project. Government troops are now “clearing out” the land around the new oil fields, killing and displacing men, women, and children, and using revenues from the oil to fund the war. U.S. companies are generally barred by anti-terrorism sanctions from investing directly in Sudan. But foreign companies investing in Sudan’s oil pipeline are permitted to raise funds in U.S. capital markets. Talisman Energy of Canada and the Chinese government’s PetroChina are Khartoum’s two major oil partners that are listed on the New York Stock Exchange. BPAmoco provided the necessary funds for PetroChina to achieve its IPO (Initial Public Offering) on the New York Stock Exchange and investment bankers Goldman Sachs orchestrated PetroChina’s IPO. Some mutual funds like Fidelity Investments continue to hold their shares of Talisman Energy while funds like TIAA-CREF and CalPERS have commendably divested.

The Silence

The U.S. Government's response to the genocide in Sudan has been largely rhetorical. The number of victims of Sudan’s holocaust far outstrips the combined deaths from recent wars in Chechnya, Kosovo, Bosnia, Rwanda, and Somalia. President Clinton, when in office, never used the bully pulpit of his office to raise the profile of Sudan. Senior U.S. Government officials have questioned whether the American people care enough about the victims of the Sudanese genocide to merit making Sudan a priority concern of U.S. policy. The Church Alliance for a New Sudan is a direct response to that challenge. We have been a great encouragement to administration to act!

THE SOLUTION

The Church Alliance for a New Sudan (CANS) is part of a growing grassroots movement, pressing for a coherent and appropriate U.S. foreign policy response – one that would treat the government of Sudan as no less a pariah than the apartheid regime of South Africa was treated. Declaring Sudan to be a pariah nation waging a genocidal war against its own citizens, we demand:

STOP THE GENOCIDE BEING CONDUCTED IN THE NAME OF “JIHAD” “HOLY WAR”!
There is no justification for declaring a religious war of annihilation against an entire population of vulnerable and undeserving people, a shameful act before a watching world.

STOP THE IMPOSITION OF SHARI’A (ISLAMIC) LAW ON NON-MUSLIMS!
Shari’a law, to include both civil and criminal application, renders the non-Muslim second-class citizenship and the prospect of persecution and prosecution to include the amputation of body parts and death.

STOP THE BOMBING OF CIVILIAN TARGETS!
Indiscriminate bombing of targets like hospitals, churches, farmers seeking to plant crops, schools, refugee camps, livestock, is an act of bloodthirsty cowardice bent on terrorizing people, forcing them to leave their lands and livelihood.

STOP THE SLAVE TRADE!
Reflective of the attitude which Khartoum harbors for all “infidels”, slavery as a weapon of degradation and demoralization is encouraged by the government forces who regard members of peoples’ families as booty to be taken for sex objects or degraded labor.

STOP INVESTING IN GENOCIDE!
Bar access to American capital markets by all companies doing business with the Greater Nile oil project in Sudan until the genocide is halted. Consider divestment, shareholder resolution, boycott, and demonstration strategies.

STOP THE “CONVERT TO EAT” DISTRIBUTION OF FAMINE-RELIEF FOOD!
Stop Khartoum’s deadly veto power on food aid. Designate a special coordinator for international aid distribution. Provide more aid outside the UN’s Operation Lifeline Sudan.

PURSUE A JUST PEACE!
Designate a special envoy with direct access to the President to work for a just peace in Sudan. Restore the peoples of South, fully enfranchised, to their historic lands. Through the IGAD (Inter-governmental Authority on Development) process, work for democracy and self-determination for all Sudanese...""

http://www.ird-renew.org/Liberty/LibertyList.cfm?c=18

[andak01]

Originally posted by abu afak
What do your College English professors make of this part of the post you conveniently ignore?

Genocide in Sudan

Who: Southern ethnic and religious groups

OR This

Actually, the ethnic part is something you have been leaving out of the equation. This includes the fact that ethnic factions (tribes) have traditionally made servants or sex slaves of the widows found after a battle. Neglecting to mention that the practice of slavery is indigenous to the region, not indigenous to Muslims is...well, I'm sure you'll have some apt adjectives in your response.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...an/history.htm

http://www.godulike.co.uk/faiths.php...ubject=comment

You also fail to mention that the Dinka HAD their own religion prior to the invasion of Christian missionaries. The proof in the pudding is that they don't practice the Coptic faith of their Ethiopian neighbors, but rather the Episcopal faith otherwise known as Anglican after their Anglo-Saxon colonizers. Who was forced to go to Christian schools or go without food in those days???