History of The Sudan

**Mediocrates** · 02-20-2003, 12:21 PM

As an aside, the issue to me is, whatever the real truth behind this is, why is it an invisble issue? Why does Israel warrant virtually all the world's attention? How can it be that the bleeding heart world has nothing to say? How can it be that the only international issue is 'What's wrong with Israel?' Frankly, the Sudanese could kill off all of each other until there are none left and the world really wouldn't care much. The same is true virtually all over the world in any of the dozens of brush wars, civil wars and seperatist revolts going on right this minute. Too bad for them they're not fighting Jews and copping good headlines.

andak01 · 02-20-2003, 12:23 PM

Here's a new tidbit. Another red herring I suppose you'll say. Did you know that the SPLA is allied with a Muslim army in exile, the NDA???

http://www.comebackalive.com/df/dpla...an/player3.htm

The SPLA has teamed up with another rebel group, the National Democratic Alliance (NDA)-which includes the Beja Congress Armed Forces-and their joint offensives have overrun army garrisons in a drive westward from Ethiopia and Eritrea. These joint operations have posed the greatest threat to the Khartoum regime to date.

The NDA-based in Asmara, Eritrea-is moving to cut off Khartoum's access to the Red Sea. They've captured some towns in the east and pose a threat to hydroelectric projects in both Roseires and Kassala. A number of Sudanese opposition groups, with CIA support, are training their forces at camps in Eritrea. It is expected all of the camps will soon be united under the command of the NDA's leader, General Fathi Ahmed Ali. Eritrea makes no secret of its support for the rebels. Asmara cut ties with Khartoum in December 1994. To rub it in Sudan leader Omar al-Bashir's face, Eritrea gave the former Sudanese embassy to Sudanese rebels for use as a headquarters.

So here we have a jihad where the Islamic National Front, the government army is allied with the Lord's Resistance Army (Christian) against the SPLA (Christian) and the NDA (Islamic). Interesting. Not quite as clear cut as you were hoping?

Oh BTW, the SPLA, the INF and the LRA have all been accused of taking children as slaves to fight in their armies.

MichaelC · 02-20-2003, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by andak01
You would have him burn me at the stake? How tolerant. All I see is that he refers to his own posts to prove what I have said.

HYPERBOLE. Great example.

Please Andy, I'm already pulling on my hipboots lest you continue in the same vein.

Originally posted by andak
Once again, you are entitled to your opinion. But my opinion must be decried as lies. What do your last ten or so posts amount to except for one big ad hom attack.

OH, BOO HOO.....I feel so bad. Your logic collapses yet again and you direct everyone's attention elsewhere. Get a grip, Andy!

The rest of your post was just more of the same. Millions dead; Andy wants so badly to blame...........someone.............anyone.... except a Muslim.

abu afak · 02-20-2003, 12:26 PM

My solution was arming the SPLA?
Yet another ANDAK LIE (is there no end?)
NOW you say

Originally posted by andak01
Just what is your solution?

First you accuse me I've something I never said THEN you ask a question '"what is my solution? non-Apology, non-accepted, you compulsive Liar

You never heard 2 million "non-muslims" before?

Originally posted by andak01 (January 25th)

...Abu,

2 million dead in Sudan? Over what period of time and from what? All killed because they wouldn't convert?

From
http://www.israelforum.com/board/sho...&threadid=2345

Obviously we WERE talking about Non-Muslims being "forced to convert"... And the Issue isn't what BBC or anyone else said, it's that you LIED AGAIN about "never hearing it before".

You can't even be honest when your caught Lying Red-Handed

Unbelievable and endless LYING by ANDAK. Post after Post.

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Genocide: Sudan Found Guilty!
A Law Punishing Slavery Now
November 1st, 2002 4:15 PM
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"The acts of the Government of Sudan . . . constitute Genocide as defined by the [United Nations] Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948)." â€”Sudan Peace Act, Signed by the PRESIDENT of the United States, October 21, 2002
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Since 1983, over 2 million black, non-Muslim civilians have died during the civil war in Sudan. Blacks in the south of the country have been fighting for self-determination and to end the enslavement of women and children, ethnic cleansing, aerial bombardment of schools and churches, and the creation of famine conditionsâ€”all of this by the National Islamic Front government of the north.

Much of the world, including the United States, has all along largely ignored what THE WASHINGTON POST, IN A SEPTMEBER 9 EDITORIAL CALLED "POSSIBLY THE GREATEST HUMANITARIAN DISASTER ON EARTH." But that newspaper and The New York Times, among other dailies and weeklies, have only glancingly covered the disaster, and often with false information....

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0245/hentoff.php

All My posts, and the President's statement..Stand

I told you you'd regret starting this Thread you Lying Jerk

Originally posted by abu afak 2/05

Take a Hint Andak.... If you're a Muslim and trying to help the image of Islam

DON'T START A SUDAN STRING ..
unless by some miracle you want to come clean!

I didn't think so

andak01 · 02-20-2003, 12:39 PM

If it looks like a troll and reposts the same cut and paste over and over, it's Abu. Count the number of new links you've brought to bear on the issue today. Any? Or was it the same thing over and over? That is troll-like behavior.

Here, let me do that counting for you.

2/20/03 Posts New Links posted by Abu
http://www.israelforum.com/board/sh...=&threadid=2345
Posted 4 times today and posted previously
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0245/hentoff.php
Posted 4 times today and posted previously

2/20/03 Posts New Links posted by Andak
http://www.refugees.org/world/artic...ombing_2000.cfm
http://www.usaid.gov/about/sudan/bombstats.html
http://www.geocities.com/forsudan/poulation.html
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/lra.htm
http://www.worthynews.com/news-feat...stians-lra.html
http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/Index...NTRIES%5CUGANDA
http://www.comebackalive.com/df/dpl...dan/player3.htm

So let me ask you. Which one of us is doing research and which one is trolling? You may not be happy with what I come up with, but it seems you could do something more constructive with your time.

abu afak · 02-20-2003, 12:45 PM

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andak01 · 02-20-2003, 01:02 PM

It's a civil war for oil, where killing and attrocities have taken place in genocidal proportions. Droughts and famine have also caused death in genocidal proportions. Children were being taken as slaves for the military by the INF (Muslim), the SPLA (Christian) and the LRA (Christian). To their credit, the SPLA has stopped the practiced under pressure from human rights groups.

Everyone is in agreement that 2 million Sudanese have died in the past twenty years. Everyone is in agreement that there has been ethnic cleansing in the areas of the oil deposits. The oil companies have been chastised for their part in this disaster. And if you want to say that this is one of the greatest human disasters of late, I wouldn't argue. But to claim that it is all a jihad and that all the victims are Christian is bald-faced propaganda.

abu afak · 02-20-2003, 01:04 PM

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andak01 · 02-20-2003, 01:53 PM

Knock yourself out phisch.

abu afak · 02-20-2003, 02:08 PM

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andak01 · 02-21-2003, 09:17 AM

Let's get real here Abu. Nobody cares what you have to say and nobody cares what I have to say. We are useful in as much as we can gather information and do research to enlighten other posters. What do you bring to the table with your troll-like behavior? Reposting the same link 9 times? Screaming liar, liar, liar as I continue to research, continue to provide sources. That's right, all my Red Herrings amount to over twice as much information relevant to Sudan as your continued repostings. The readers are intelligent enough to evaluate things from the articles themselves, not from your soapbox screaming.

Andak 32 links
http://www.countryreports.org/history/sudhist.htm
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query...d(DOCID+sd0038)
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query...d(DOCID+sd0039)
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query...d(DOCID+sd0040)
http://www.workmall.com/wfb2001/egy...br /> 4_39.html
http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/echo/egypt1936.htm
http://www.workmall.com/wfb2001/egy...br /> 4_39.html
http://www.nmhschool.org/tthornton/hasan_al.htm
http://www.arabies.com/Special%20Re...%20al-Banna.htm
http://www.bartleby.com/65/ba/Banna-Ha.html
http://www.sudan.net/news/posted/6438.html
http://www.oilandgasinternational.c...ews/sudan4.html
http://www.oilandgasinternational.co...ews/sudan4.gif
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/...10302381600.htm
http://www.atlapedia.com/online/countries/sudan.htm
http://www.westheights.org/sudan/sudan_basic_info.asp
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnist...,234228,00.html
http://www.dfa.gov.za/docs/pq271a.htm
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/spla.htm
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/ssudan2.gif
http://www.aboutsudan.com/delegatio...legislators.htm
http://www.eglisesoudan.org/
http://www.eglisesoudan.org/scbc/18sept00.html
http://216.26.163.62/2002/af_sudan_10_04.html
http://www.peaceactionme.org/junesudan.html
http://www.finalcall.com/perspectiv...a05-15-2001.htm
http://www.natcath.org/NCR_Online/a...299/040299h.htm
http://www.sasociety.com/archive/614open.htm
http://www.africa2000.com/IMPACT/sudanwar.html
http://www.cin.org/archives/cinjust/200201/0028.html
http://www.aboutsudan.com/issues/te...blocked_fbi.htm
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2002/107/21.0.html
http://www.mediamonitors.net/espac3.html
http://www.mediareviewnet.com/ Amer...0on%20Sudan.htm
http://www.sufo.demon.co.uk/poli005.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-sr...dan/history.htm
http://www.godulike.co.uk/faiths.ph...subject=comment
http://www.refugees.org/world/artic...ombing_2000.cfm
http://www.frii.com/~gosplow/2ffn97b.html
http://web.amnesty.org/802568F7005C...ghlight=2,Sudan
http://web.amnesty.org/802568F7005C...ghlight=2,Sudan
http://www.hrw.org/worldreport99/africa/sudan.html
http://www.refugees.org/world/artic...ombing_2000.cfm
http://www.usaid.gov/about/sudan/bombstats.html
http://www.geocities.com/forsudan/poulation.html
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/lra.htm
http://www.worthynews.com/news-feat...stians-lra.html
http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/Index...NTRIES%5CUGANDA
http://www.comebackalive.com/df/dpl...dan/player3.htm

Off topic
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Dai...1999071234.html

Abu 13 links
(reposted 4 times) http://www.ird-renew.org/Liberty/LibertyList.cfm?c=18
http://www.dhimmi.com/imagesdhimmi/dhimmisudan.jpg
http://www.dhimmi.com/victimsgallery.htm
(reposted within the same post and again the next post and the next) http://www.lnsart.com/Sudan%20Slave%20Story.htm
http://www.blue-nile.org/
http://www.endgenocide.org/genocide/sudan.html
(reposted within the same post and twice again)
http://www.web.net/~iccaf/humanrigh...ponse062300.htm
(reposted at least 9 times) http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0245/hentoff.php
(reposted ? times) http://www.israelforum.com/board/sh...=&threadid=2345

Off Topic
http://www.ramadhan.org/home/catego...ID=5051&TagID=2
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002...7080786304.html
http://www.mediamonitors.net/khodr82.html
http://www.mediamonitors.net/archive.html

abu afak · 02-21-2003, 09:32 AM

Gee Link counting.. That proves alot

Still NO answer for your Lies

Originally posted by andak01
If it looks like a troll and reposts the same cut and paste over and over, it's Abu. Count the number of new links you've brought to bear on the issue today. Any? Or was it the same thing over and over? That is troll-like behavior.

If you answer it even once I'll stop. (I deleted the last posting of it on page 5 and now the posting of THIS on page 6, and will delete this one and repost it until I get an answer to it)

The String is your Usual attempt at Whitewash and has been a Disaster for you and Islam. No New Links are needed to establish the Genocide by the NIF (it's WAY settled) and no new Links are needed to establish:

You LIED about What I said.

You LIED about What you Said.

And I won't stop posting until I get an apology or answer.

(and periodically I will put up the post With your Lies again so all know what we're talking about and it won't get lost)

I'm not letting you divert/deflect Junior

abu afak · 02-21-2003, 09:34 AM

and as I promised... Periodic Posting of your Lies.. despite your moronic attempts at 'push-posting' and link counting:
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My solution was arming the SPLA?
Yet another ANDAK LIE (is there no end?)
NOW you say

Originally posted by andak01
Just what is your solution?

First you accuse me I've something I never said THEN you ask a question '"what is my solution? non-Apology, non-accepted, you compulsive Liar

You never heard 2 million "non-mulsims" before?

Originally posted by andak01 (January 25th)

...Abu,

2 million dead in Sudan? Over what period of time and from what? All killed because they wouldn't convert?

From
http://www.israelforum.com/board/sho...&threadid=2345

Obviously we WERE talking about Non-Muslims being "forced to convert"... And the Issue isn't what BBC or anyone else said, it's that you LIED AGAIN about "never hearing it before".

You can't even be honest when your caught Lying Red-Handed

Unbelievable and endless LYING by ANDAK. Post after Post.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

..

Genocide: Sudan Found Guilty!
A Law Punishing Slavery Now
November 1st, 2002 4:15 PM
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0245/hentoff.php

.

"The acts of the Government of Sudan . . . constitute Genocide as defined by the [United Nations] Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948)." â€”Sudan Peace Act, Signed by the PRESIDENT of the United States, October 21, 2002
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Since 1983, over 2 million black, non-Muslim civilians have died during the civil war in Sudan. Blacks in the south of the country have been fighting for self-determination and to end the enslavement of women and children, ethnic cleansing, aerial bombardment of schools and churches, and the creation of famine conditionsâ€”all of this by the National Islamic Front government of the north.

Much of the world, including the United States, has all along largely ignored what THE WASHINGTON POST, IN A SEPTMEBER 9 EDITORIAL CALLED "POSSIBLY THE GREATEST HUMANITARIAN DISASTER ON EARTH." But that newspaper and The New York Times, among other dailies and weeklies, have only glancingly covered the disaster, and often with false information....

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0245/hentoff.php

All My posts, and the President's statement..Stand