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  1. #1
    humus_sapiens
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    Fight _this_!

    Got this from a highly trusted friend. Edward Said had a fiery speech at UC Berkeley. Andak01, takeo and others who think there is no existential threat to Israel: this is just one example of Islamist anti-Israel propaganda going on today in many US univ. campuses.
    -hs


    Said, who is an academic fraud, was greeted like a hero at UC Berkeley. He spent two hours claiming Israel intentionally denies the "Palestinians" their normal human rights, detailing everything from "torture" to assassinations to "checkpoints", home demolitions, the usual diatribe. In the entire two hours nowhere did he mention the suicide bombing attacks or the average twenty-one daily terror attacks common Israelis endure which brings this about. He maintained the "victimhood" the Jews experienced did not excuse their making the Palestinians their "victims". Even Oslo did not escape his wrath. It was all a plan to further take advantage of the Palestinians by Israel.

    He maintained Jews held no sovreignty over the region as "Divine" giving of the Land of Israel has no place in Said's concept of historical incident and that the land belonged to many peoples including Moabites, Philistines, Jebusites, etc, then went on to accuse Israel of destroying archaeological artifacts of "Palestinian" culture to foster the idea of Jewish hegemony of the region. In fact, everything the Arabs do in their propaganda campaign became twisted by doublespeak. The Israelis deny Arabs civil rights and even freedom of religion inside Israel! No mention of the 14 Arab Knesset leaders who openly advocate destroying Israel or Israel's giving the Muslim Wakf control over the Temple Mount. Said objected to US intervention in Iraq and this too is being in power and "imperialism".

    During two hours he made one brief sentence that terrorism is wrong, but made no comment it should stop (in his real actions Said has condoned terrorism).

    Jonathon Cruel's article is inaccurate in saying Said condemned Arafat. Arafat wasn't mentioned once in the entire speech. Any mistreatment of the "Palestinians" is the result of Israel and any attempts by Israel to seek peace are just plots to deny the Palestinians their rights. He further condemned the war on Iraq as imperialism and claimed the US government was only after oil and that "war never produced democracy", an historically
    disingenuous statement given Germany and Japan after World War 2.

    I sat next to an NPR correspondent and in front of one from France's Le Monde who gave vociferous applause along with a crowd that gave him a standing ovation at the end of the speech. Anyone who has no knowledge of the history of the PLO or even current events in the Middle East would perceive the PLO as a human rights movement that seeks democracy for women and the Arab masses against "imperialism".

    And that's exactly what happened. A Jewish student outside the speech told me how impressed he was by Said. When I told him the PA has children's tv shows where 4 year olds are taught to murder Jews, programs offically sanctioned by the PA, he asked "Well, don't the Israelis have the same thing?" (They don't.). Even Jews get duped by Said.

    Outside the event there was no ProIsrael presence, not even flyering about Said's throwing rocks at Israelis or lying about being a Palestinian and having had a home in Jerusalem. Only signs calling for divestment from Israel. Where was the JCRC? The man received no criticism and questions were not allowed from the sudience. He left a hero and to that crowd was offering
    a demand for human rights against Israeli and US mistreatment . Like Said has always said, facts don't matter, only to mold history to one's own perspective and opinion.

    It was an obscenity to this writer but a great "scholar" to the crowd who clamored outside to buy his books. Of note also, the head of the Middle East Department at Cal who sponosred this speech along with Chancellor Berdhal (who did not sponsor Barak earlier, that was done by Jewish groups) is a professor of architecture and urban planning, not a political scientist or
    history professor. This to me suggests a plant by PASSIA to manipulate public opinion against Israel on our campuses and given Said's reception, I'd say it is working.

    Much of the history mentioned and events were all exclusionary of any objective thought and the audience instead of feeling cheated, left thinking they heard a great intellectual advocating human rights when he in fact spoke for one of the worst fascist movements in the world. He spoke of the Palestinians as great seekers of democratic rights and even, laughably, women's rights (with 43 unprosecuted "honor killings" this year alone). The earlier session with reporters where his statements might have been questioned was canceled and no inquiries were allowed at the evening speech. Even Barak fielded questions from the opposition who even tried to interrupt him. Not so Said.

    Said further called for divestment from Israel to roaring applause from the crowd nd urged this continue on our campuses and by direct action.

    Anyone who thinks this isn't important enough for our Jewish community leaders to take action against is living in a dream world.
    Last edited by humus_sapiens; 02-21-2003 at 01:06 AM.

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    danholo
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    The lies spread by the admirable PR capabilities of the PA are one of the biggest problems in this conflict.

  3. #3
    reason
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    Re: Fight _this_!

    Edward Said had a fiery speech at UC Berkeley

    this is just one example of Islamist anti-Israel propaganda going on today in many US univ. campuses.

    Edward Said is not an Islamist because that requires him to be a Muslim first. Dosnt help one bit that your whole post is based on that ignorant assumption. get your facts straight maybe then people will read your posts.

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    Frans_1
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    Re: Re: Fight _this_!

    >>>>

    Edward Said is not an Islamist because that requires him to be a Muslim first. Dosnt help one bit that your whole post is based on that ignorant assumption. get your facts straight maybe then people will read your posts.

    I think that above statement is wholly disconnected from logic.

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    cerulean
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    Practically my first posts here were about Edward Said and his lies:
    http://www.israelforum.com/board/sho...=1452#post1452
    True, he's not an Islamist, but an Egyptian (born in Egypt) raised as a Christian who now belongs to the Episcopalian denomination. He is currently someone who has exploited a particular market niche (against Israel and supposedly pro-Palestinian). As you can see by his rock-throwing picture, he's quite willing to ally himself with Islamists.

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    cerulean
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    More about Edward Said:
    http://www.danielpipes.org/article/317
    Edward Said, the famous Palestinian intellectual, it turns out, was actually raised in Egypt. So, out goes his oft-repeated claim about the nasty Israelis expelling him from his "beautiful old house" in Jerusalem - he was living at the time in a luxurious apartment in Cairo. Said had long presented his own story as a symbol of the Palestinian tragedy; learning that he found himself in Jerusalem only to visit relatives while on vacation takes, shall we say, some of the edge off his story.

    Unexpected on its own, this dissimulation takes on additional meaning when it is seen as part of a pattern. At least two other very prominent Arabs born in Egypt, remarkably, have falsely claimed to be Palestinian. . . .

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    andak01
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    Re: Fight _this_!

    Originally posted by humus_sapiens
    He spent two hours claiming Israel intentionally denies the "Palestinians" their normal human rights, detailing everything from "torture" to assassinations to "checkpoints", home demolitions, the usual diatribe.
    Which part of this are you denying?
    - Denial of Human Rights
    - Torture
    - Assassinations
    - Checkpoints
    - Home demolitions

    In the entire two hours nowhere did he mention the suicide bombing attacks or the average twenty-one daily terror attacks common Israelis endure which brings this about.
    That's bad.

    He maintained the "victimhood" the Jews experienced did not excuse their making the Palestinians their "victims".
    Does it?

    Even Oslo did not escape his wrath. It was all a plan to further take advantage of the Palestinians by Israel.
    Was it?

    He maintained Jews held no sovreignty over the region as "Divine" giving of the Land of Israel has no place in Said's concept of historical incident and that the land belonged to many peoples including Moabites, Philistines, Jebusites, etc, then went on to accuse Israel of destroying archaeological artifacts of "Palestinian" culture to foster the idea of Jewish hegemony of the region.
    I will try to find the link to this speech.

    This to me suggests a plant by PASSIA to manipulate public opinion against Israel on our campuses and given Said's reception, I'd say it is working.
    Oh yeah, every student in the US is being taught to hate Israel. Mostly by self-hating Jewish professors.

    Anyone who thinks this isn't important enough for our Jewish community leaders to take action against is living in a dream world.
    Perhaps a fatwa, ala Salman Rushdie. Is there a Jewish equivalent to the Ayatollah?

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    reason
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    Re: Re: Re: Fight _this_!

    Originally posted by Frans_1
    >>>>

    Edward Said is not an Islamist because that requires him to be a Muslim first. Dosnt help one bit that your whole post is based on that ignorant assumption. get your facts straight maybe then people will read your posts.

    I think that above statement is wholly disconnected from logic.
    Oh really? what part is disconnected from logic? and why?

  9. #9
    Givaty
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    Reality Crisis

    It would seem Adank or whatever "its" name is, agrees with Said...
    This view leaves out the humanitarian efforts by the IDF, Government, MDA, individuals and diaspora Jewry for the so-called "palestinians." This leaves out the fact that, unlike the murdererous "palestinians," Israel condemns, prosecutes, investigates and mourns the loss of innocent lives.
    This ignores the "human rights" violations of palestinians, not just to Israelis, but to "palestinians" too.
    It ignores the assasinations of "collaborators" by the palestinians, ignores the fact that those are minimal, reactive demolitions, which make sure no one is inside first.
    Edward Said is a murder-loving terrorist just as those who pull or push the trigger, he fuels hatred with ignorance, words and lies that make him look good...
    NO ONE should ever beleive Edward Said has ANYTHING to say except propoganda, lies and garbage

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    judicial meanz
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    Re: Reality Crisis

    Originally posted by Givaty
    It would seem Adank or whatever "its" name is, agrees with Said...
    This view leaves out the humanitarian efforts by the IDF, Government, MDA, individuals and diaspora Jewry for the so-called "palestinians." This leaves out the fact that, unlike the murdererous "palestinians," Israel condemns, prosecutes, investigates and mourns the loss of innocent lives.
    This ignores the "human rights" violations of palestinians, not just to Israelis, but to "palestinians" too.
    It ignores the assasinations of "collaborators" by the palestinians, ignores the fact that those are minimal, reactive demolitions, which make sure no one is inside first.
    Edward Said is a murder-loving terrorist just as those who pull or push the trigger, he fuels hatred with ignorance, words and lies that make him look good...
    NO ONE should ever beleive Edward Said has ANYTHING to say except propoganda, lies and garbage
    Just another day in the radical Islamist propaganda war.

  11. #11
    humus_sapiens
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    Re: Re: Fight _this_!

    Originally posted by andak01

    Even Oslo did not escape his wrath. It was all a plan to further take advantage of the Palestinians by Israel.
    Was it?
    Andak, thank you very much for honesty in exposing your views.
    I see what in your POV means to be "peaceful". BTW, personal religion of Edward Said does not matter. He is squarely in pro-Islamic extremist, anti-Israel corner.

  12. #12
    andak01
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    One thing being on this board has helped me understand is why Israelis are so averse to any criticism of their policies. They see that as merely opening the door to a bunch of anti-Semitism. I can't say they are entirely wrong in believing that. Unfortunately, they are forced into a corner both geographically and politically.

    I have read some of Said. He is to one side of an argument that doesn't seem to have a middle ground. It isn't so much what he says that is at issue, but how anti-Semites use those points.

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