Who's Running the 'Peace Marches'?

[Mediocrates]

Anybody who entertains the hope that terrorists can be placated or that they will see our surrender or inaction as some kind of final victory for them is so seriously deluded it's laughable. Who were we bombing all through 2000-2001 through Sept 10th? Who was the USS Cole shooting at, who was threatened by the American embassy in Tanzania?

You don't bargain with these people. Our inconclusive end in 1991 is what lead us to this point now with Iraq.

[Communication]

So be it. But may I then suggest the following:

Step 1: send a message from Bush to Hussein stating that "if Hussein declares [war on the West*] we will melt his face with plutonium." We can arrange for an old Japanese man to deliver the message.

Step 2: kidnap hundreds of Iraqi children and force them to learn passages from the New Testement. Release them on to the streets of Bagdad quoting Revelations.

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And if you really want to drive those Muslim bastards crazy:

Step 3: Have Powell open his next U.N. speech by blowing the shofar.

Step 4: For "security" reasons, have Bush change the location for delivering his next State of the Union Address to the pulpit of a Souther Methodist Church.


*It is advisable that you change "the West" to "Epharim" in the event of a natural disaster in the region.

[richcrassus]

IS Paul wolfowitz the US govt guy jewish?

[Communication]

Originally posted by richcrassus
IS Paul wolfowitz the US govt guy jewish?

I dunno. Do you think Powell is really black?

[richcrassus]

Umm, is that a trick question?
Cant u just answer my ridiculously easy question?

[Mediocrates]

Yes he is.


It's interesting really to google his name in double quotes space jewish.

I got 550 hits about 80% of which are some of the darkest antisemitic paranoid screwhead trash you'll find. Everything from Matt Welch to Justin Raimondo

[humus_sapiens]

Originally posted by richcrassus
Umm, is that a trick question?
Cant u just answer my ridiculously easy question?

Yes, he is obviously of Jewish ancestry, judging by his name and his face. Is he pro- or anti-Israel is totally different question. Ditto for Ari Fleisher.

Remember, this Administration (widely considered to be pro-Israel) is the first in the US history to declare "a vision" of a Pal state on a disputed war-won territories (there's never been a Pal state there) and ran the resolution through the UN SC to make it a reality.

[Communication]

Two Midrashim:

The first story-

This is about Job, who was in Egypt at the same time as Moses. What's more, he held the important position of adviser in the Pharoh's court, with the same rank as Jethro and Bileam. When the Pharoh asked how he might resolve the Jewish question, Jethro spoke in favor of Moses' request- to let his people go. Bileam, on the other hand took the opposite stand. When Job was consulted, he refused to take sides; he wished to remain neutral, so he kept silent, neither for nor against. This neutrality, the Midrash says, earned him his future sufferings. At critical times, at moments of peril, no one has the right to abstain, to be prudent. When the life or death- or simply the well-being- of a community is at stake, neutrality is criminal, for it aids and abets the oppressor and not the victim.

The Second Story-

This one is no less provocative. It is found in a passge about the Red Sea. The expected victims are saved at the eleventh hour, while their oppressors drown before their eyes. It is a moment of grace so extraordinary that the angels themselves begin to sing, but God interupts them with the most humane, the most generous, the most sympathetic reminder. What has come over you? My creatures are perishing beneath the waves of the sea and you are singing?

[andak01]

Originally posted by Communication
Step 2: kidnap hundreds of Iraqi children and force them to learn passages from the New Testement. Release them on to the streets of Bagdad quoting Revelations.

Many Muslims can already quote the New Testament better than their Christian counterparts. The practice they recieve in memorizing the Qur'an allows them to memorize other things as well. The New Testament is by no means forbidden reading to Muslims, although reading the Qur'an is forbidden to some Christian sects.

[Communication]

Originally posted by andak01
Many Muslims can already quote the New Testament better than their Christian counterparts. The practice they recieve in memorizing the Qur'an allows them to memorize other things as well. The New Testament is by no means forbidden reading to Muslims, although reading the Qur'an is forbidden to some Christian sects.

haha! You're the only one who responded to my sarcastic post. I'm actually having a friendly debate with a Christian right now on some passages in Luke. Do you know off hand where there is evidence in scripture of the trinity concept in Catholicism?

[JustPat]

Originally posted by Communication
haha! You're the only one who responded to my sarcastic post. I'm actually having a friendly debate with a Christian right now on some passages in Luke. Do you know off hand where there is evidence in scripture of the trinity concept in Catholicism?

Are you looking for Scriptural basis or just doctrinal statements?

[Communication]

Originally posted by JustPat
Are you looking for Scriptural basis or just doctrinal statements?

Either. I am familiar with the concept of the logos, but I am particularly interested in scriptual basis. Another question, how do Christians view the words in the NT? Are they considered the writings of the apostles or are they viewed as the words of God acting through men? I guess what I'm really asking is, does every word have divine significance?

[JustPat]

Originally posted by Communication
Either. I am familiar with the concept of the logos, but I am particularly interested in scriptual basis. Another question, how do Christians view the words in the NT? Are they considered the writings of the apostles or are they viewed as the words of God acting through men? I guess what I'm really asking is, does every word have divine significance?

Actually, your second question determines the answer to your first. In some circles the Bible is viewed as the inspired word of G_d, literally seen as G_d-breathed. This is not the position of all who call themselves Christian. Some hold the Bible to be no more that moral stories. For those who hold the Scriptures to be "inspired," myself included, they become their docrinal statement.

The most commonly held "proof" of the trinity cited is found in the account of the baptism of Jesus where G_d speaks from on high, Jesus is being baptised, and the Holy Spirit is descending in the form of a dove. (Matthew 3:16-17). Jesus himself is recorded as referring to the trinity in his teaching. (John 15:26-27) It is under the authority of this triune leadership that the Church is to operate. (Matthew 28:18-20)

Old Testament support of the trinity is al little more complicated. Here it is believed that the various references to "elohim." Being a plural form it is then cited as the OT confirmation of the NT revelation.

[Communication]

Thanks Just Pat!

Now back to our regularly scheduled programing...

[abu afak]

Originally posted by Communication


Now back to our regularly scheduled programing...

No. 1 Thursday, February 13, 2003 David Horowitz

The “Anti-War” Movement Is A Bigger Problem Than You Think

For over a year our country has been at war with a terrorist foe that can infiltrate our borders with weapons of mass destruction. We are divided in our homeland on two fronts. Reasonable people may disagree over tactics and priorities in fighting this war -- for example over which hostile agency or state to take on, and at which point in time. There have been critics of the Administration’s war policy from both the Democrat and Republican side of the aisle. But these critics share a common concern for the defense of this country, and in the end they support our government and our nation against its foes.

Not so the other opposition to the war, which is a radical movement with Marxist roots, whose origins go back to the Vietnam War and whose political base is American universities. This opposition to the war on terror manifested itself within weeks of 9/11 with aim of opposing an American military response to the al-Qaeda attacks. Its agendas are not “pacifist” and are not inspired by dissatisfaction with any particular American war or policy, but with the American system itself. It is a movement which cannot be appeased and which is willing to collaborate with America’s enemies.

Every major “anti-war” demonstration to date, including the demonstrations on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled by a self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party, and its front “International A.N.S.W.E.R.” The figurehead of this organization is former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and its organizer is Brian Becker, a member of the secretariat of the Workers World Party. The WWP is aligned with the North Korean Communist regime and along with its figurehead has supported the North Vietnamese torturers of American POWS, the Ayatollah Khomeni regime in Iran, Slobodan Milosevic and Saddam Hussein.

At the Mall, the speakers – all selected by the Workers World Party – denounced America as an imperialist aggressor and “the axis of evil,” and called for “regime change” and “revolution” in the United States. An imam from a Washington DC mosque led the crowd in chants of “Allahu Akbar,” which is the cry of the suicide bombers as they blow up innocent civilian targets. Mohammed Atta, the leader of the 9/11 suicide bombers, gave these instructions to his team: “When the confrontation begins, strike like champions who do not want to go back to this world. Shout, ‘Allahu Akbar,’ because this strikes fear in the hearts of the non-believers.”

John Conyers, the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee was a featured speaker at the Workers World Party “peace” rally, as was former Democratic Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney. Representative Charles Rangel, the ranking Democrat on the House Ways and Means Committee sent a letter of support. In a sister demonstration in San Francisco, also organized by the Workers World Party, California State Senator, Democrat John Burton, told the protesters that the President of the United States was “full of s___” and was “f---ing America.”

So appalling were these demonstrations that older members of the left disassociated themselves from this movement in articles that appeared in leftwing magazines like Salon.com and the L.A. Weekly (the latter article was written by David Corn, Washington editor of The Nation).

On February 15, an anti-war protest will be held in New York City, organized by a new group called “United for Peace and Justice.” This group is headed by Leslie Cagan, a Sixties Marxist with a long history of supporting Communist causes. She was a member of the Venceremos Brigades organized by Cuban Intelligence. She was a member of the Committees for Correspondence, a faction of the Communist Party USA, and she is co-chair of the National Network on Cuba an organization whose purpose is propaganda and political support for the Castro dictatorship. Cagan has warned that, “If marches do not work, we will escalate. We will have to do things to disrupt the normal flow of life in this country.”(NYTimes, 2/04/03) This threat of sabotage should not be taken lightly given the history of more than 1,000 domestic bombings during the Vietnam War.

The agendas of the so-called “peace movement” are pro-Communist and anti-American. Its organizers have worked with America’s enemies in the past and are continuing to do so in the midst of this war. This is the very definition of a political “fifth column.” Honest dissenters and Americans concerned about the future of their country should take a hard look at these protests and those who support them.

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