Facts about Islam

[fair]

Islam ordered moslems ..
1 - to treat other heaven religions like jews and christians as gentlemen
2 - Islam ordered us not to fight christians and jews except whose fighted us or dismissed us from our homes and this is called Gihad
3 - Islam ordered us to be honest ,clear ,active and good behaviors and so on ..

4 - our prophet Mohamed asked for jewish man to be sure that this man is ok and not sick or been harmed .. inspite this man was puting dirties infront of the house of our prophit and insulted our prophet mohamed much
5 - our prophet mohamed maried from christian lady called mareya from egypt and recominded moslims to be polite with Chritians and Jews if they are not harming us
thanks ..

[Ezra]

Oh, yeh? Would you please start describing these verses? (the rest is comming!)..

Chapter 2: “Al-Baqarah� (The Cow):

Chapter 2:96: “And verily, you will find them (the Jews) the greediest of mankind for life and (even greedier) than those who – ascribe partners to Allâh (and do not believe in Resurrection - Magians, pagans, and idolaters, etc.). Every one of them wishes that he could be given a life of a thousand years. But the grant of such life will not save him even a little from (due) punishment. And Allâh is All-Seer of what they do.�

Chapter 2:105: “Neither those who disbelieve among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) nor Al-Mushrikûn (the disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh, idolaters, polytheists, pagans, etc.) like that there should be sent down unto you any good from your Lord. But Allâh chooses for His Mercy whom He wills. And Allâh is the Owner of Great Bounty.�

Chapter 2:120: “Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him) till you follow their religion. Say: "Verily, the Guidance of Allâh (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism) that is the (only) Guidance. And if you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him) were to follow their (Jews and Christians) desires after what you have received of Knowledge (i.e. the Qur'ân), then you would have against Allâh neither any Walî (protector or guardian) nor any helper.�

Chapter 2:142: “The fools (pagans, hypocrites, and Jews) among the people will say, "What has turned them (Muslims) from their Qiblah [prayer direction (towards Jerusalem)] to which they were used to face in prayer." Say, (O Muhammad) "To Allâh belong both, east and the west. He guides whom He wills to a Straight Way.�

Chapter 2:190: “And fight in the Way of Allâh those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allâh likes not the transgressors.� [This Verse is the first one that was revealed in connection with Jihâd, but it was supplemented by another verse (V.9: 36)].

Chapter 2:191: “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.�

Chapter 3: “Aali Imran� (The Family of Imran):

Chapter 3:85: “And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.�

Chapter 3:116: “Surely, those who reject Faith (disbelieve in Muhammad SAW as being Allâh's Prophet and in all that which he has brought from Allâh), neither their properties, nor their offspring will avail them aught against Allâh. They are the dwellers of the Fire, therein they will abide. (Tafsir AtÂÂTabarî, Vol. 4, Page 58).â€Â�

Chapter 3:118: “O you who believe! Take not as (your) Bitânah (advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends, etc.) those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, Christians, and hypocrites) since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses) if you understand.�

Chapter 4: “An-Nisa� (Women)

Chapter 4:89: “They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Auliyâ' (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allâh (to Muhammad SAW). But if they turn back (from Islâm), take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliyâ' (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them.�

[Ezra]

And what about these? (still a lot!)

Chapter 5: “Al- Mâ'idah� (The Table Spread)

Chapter 5:14: “And from those who call themselves Christians, We took their covenant, but they have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. So We planted amongst them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection (when they discarded Allâh's Book, disobeyed Allâh's Messengers and His Orders and transgressed beyond bounds in Allâh's disobedience), and Allâh will inform them of what they used to do.�


Chapter 5:41: “O Messenger (Muhammad SAW)! Let not those who hurry to fall into disbelief grieve you, of such who say: "We believe" with their mouths but their hearts have no faith. And of the Jews are men who listen much and eagerly to lies - listen to others who have not come to you. They change the words from their places; they say, "If you are given this, take it, but if you are not given this, then beware!" And whomsoever Allâh wants to put in AlÂÂFitnah [error, because of his rejecting the Faith], you can do nothing for him against Allâh. Those are the ones whose hearts Allâh does not want to purify (from disbelief and hypocrisy); for them there is a disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a great torment.â€Â�

Chapter 5:51: “O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliyâ' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliyâ' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliyâ', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allâh guides not those people who are the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrongÂÂdoers and unjust).â€Â�


Chapter 5:60: “Say (O Muhammad SAW to the people of the Scripture): "Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from Allâh: those (Jews) who incurred the Curse of Allâh and His Wrath, those of whom (some) He transformed into monkeys and swines, those who worshipped Tâghût (false deities); such are worse in rank (on the Day of Resurrection in the HellÂÂfire), and far more astray from the Right Path (in the life of this world)."
Chapter 5:62: “And you see many of them (Jews) hurrying for sin and transgression, and eating illegal things [as bribes and Ribâ (usury), etc.]. Evil indeed is that which they have been doing.�

Chapter 5:64: “The Jews say: "Allâh's Hand is tied up (i.e. He does not give and spend of His Bounty)." Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for what they uttered. Nay, both His Hands are widely outstretched. He spends (of His Bounty) as He wills. Verily, the Revelation that has come to you from Allâh increases in most of them their obstinate rebellion and disbelief. We have put enmity and hatred amongst them till the Day of Resurrection. Every time they kindled the fire of war, Allâh extinguished it; and they (ever) strive to make mischief on earth. And Allâh does not like the Mufsidûn (mischiefÂÂmakers).â€Â�


Chapter 5:82: “Verily, you will find the strongest among men in enmity to the believers (Muslims) the Jews and those who are Al-Mushrikûn

[fair]

Mr.Ezra
I think u r distorted , vengeful ,spiteful and spleenful against great Islam
the verses u mentioned some of them are forged and trumpled up.

other verses
were for specific circumstances in old times
since 1500 years when our god orderd our propht to follow spescial commands during Islamic and Infidel war as a guide.. not for nowadays

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by fair
other verses
were for specific circumstances in old times
since 1500 years when our god orderd our propht to follow spescial commands during Islamic and Infidel war as a guide.. not for nowadays

fair,

I am just wondering.

If it is so, why isn't there a public outcry and condemnation from the Muslim community against Islamic extremists and the clerics who incite the extremists in the mosques?

Why is there no Muslim peace movement that goes out to the streets to demonstrate against Islamic extremism?

You know, silence = agreement.

[Ezra]

Originally posted by fair
Mr.Ezra
I think u r distorted , vengeful ,spiteful and spleenful against great Islam
the verses u mentioned some of them are forged and trumpled up.

other verses
were for specific circumstances in old times
since 1500 years when our god orderd our propht to follow spescial commands during Islamic and Infidel war as a guide.. not for nowadays

Woooooow really ???!!!!!!!! WHOM ARE U KIDDING? I spent over 20 years studying your religion, so don't tell me this rubbish and try to insult our minds. Unfortunately you are talking with a person who spent nearly half of his life studing this religion.

Can you dare Mr. Fair and say the word of "not for nowadays" infront of your Muslims freinds??!!! I DARE YOU..

SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT "JIHAD" WAS FOR SPECIAL PERIOD OF TIME (TO SPREAD ISLAM.. oh Thanks!) AND IT'S NOT VALID NOW?

Regarding the word "forged", THEN I CLAIM THAT YOU ARE VERY LIAR IN THIS POINT. Go to ANY web site containg authentication translation of the meaning of the Koran and check it out, or do you want me to do that?

Don't be ashame of your "religion" Mr. Fair. If you are saying it's "forged", then if I prove you to you that this is the AUTHENTICATED translation of Koran by your Azhar, would you agree that this religion is just a collection of hate ideas?

[ibrodsky]

Ezra,

There are some quotes from the Talmud, taken out of context and probably distorted, that are circulating around the Internet to "prove" that Jews are immoral.

I think you should take the comments of "fair" at face value. Otherwise, how can you explain that a large Muslim country, Turkey, is one of Israel's few allies?

Instead, I think we should see if "fair" will take an unambiguous moral stand against militant Islam in general and Palestinian terrorism in particular. If what he says is true, Moslems are permitted to defend themselves but not commit acts of terrorism.

The problem I have with some Moslems is that they say their is no room in Islam for terrorists, but then they excuse Palestinian terrorists as a natural reaction to "illegal occupation."

[ibrodsky]

fair,

Please tell us your opinions of militant islam (groups such as Al Qaida) and Palestinian terrorism against Israeli civilians. Does Islam permit such behavior?

What is your reaction to Iranians chanting "Death to America!" and Palestinians blowing themselves up among unarmed people -- often children?

I look forward to your answers.

[Ezra]

Originally posted by ibrodsky
Ezra,

There are some quotes from the Talmud, taken out of context and probably distorted, that are circulating around the Internet to "prove" that Jews are immoral.

I think you should take the comments of "fair" at face value. Otherwise, how can you explain that a large Muslim country, Turkey, is one of Israel's few allies?

Instead, I think we should see if "fair" will take an unambiguous moral stand against militant Islam in general and Palestinian terrorism in particular. If what he says is true, Moslems are permitted to defend themselves but not commit acts of terrorism.

The problem I have with some Moslems is that they say their is no room in Islam for terrorists, but then they excuse Palestinian terrorists as a natural reaction to "illegal occupation."

As I said before I spent over 20 years studying and analyzing the Islamic culture. That wasn't only from books, but from life among Egyptians. I can read Arabic Language as fluent as I can read and write English. When I studied Koran and "Tafaseer", I read the original Arabic versions not any translations. I don't rely on the Internet for my information. I rely on my 150 Arabic/Islamic books that I collected during my stay in Egypt. So don't worry, when I say something about Islam, I'm nearly 99.99% sure that it's not only correct but also very true.

Turkey is NOT an Islamic country. Have a small look on yesterday's newspapers and you will say that they even banned "Hegab" (scarves/veils on head) from schools.

Mr. fair will just say anything to justify his position here, and in other forums he says COMPLETELY THE OPPOSITE. If he denied that, I'll be very happy to quote and translate what he said or agreed on in other forums. That will give a very small example that you CAN NEVER trust Muslims.

Islam is built upon two basic facts:
1) It's the only correct religion (Koran says the religion to God is only the Islam).
2) Every Muslim should join the Jihad against any non-Muslim till they become Muslims.

I dare any non-Muslim to deny that Jihad against any other non-Muslim (regardless of the fact if they attacked you or not) is one of the basic idea in Koran.

[ibrodsky]

Ezra,

I respect your knowledge and experience, but I too am experienced and knowledgeable.

I know people who have spent their lives studying various issues and they still disagree, so the fact you have read 150 books and spent 20 years doesn't guarantee you are right. Some people read and study just to confirm their original positions. (Then again, I'm not saying I have concluded you are wrong, either.)

The people of Turkey are overwhelmingly Moslems. However, it is probably the only predominantly Moslem country that believes in separation of church and state. Clearly, they are very worried about fundamentalists destroying their generally democratic system, though if some of the restrictions against Islamic dress are laws then they may be going too far. (Islamic states have dress codes; I expect better of non-Islamic states.)

I think you are ignoring my point. Not all Jews are Orthodox, and not all Moslems are Orthodox. Turkey is an example of a society that accepts what they see as the good in Islam and rejects the bad and outdated. (Even if I agree that Islam is inherently intolerant, it doesn't have to be interpreted that way.)

Since you accuse "fair" of contradicting himself, please provide me some evidence.

[ibrodsky]

P.S.: Surely you know that most religious Jews and most religious Christians believe their religion is the only "correct one." This is practically the definition of religion. It can be supported by facts and reason, but ultimately it is based on faith.

[Ezra]

ibrodsky,

I meant I guarantee you that I'm very accurate in presenting a piece of data and not in my opinion. In other word, I guarantee you that whatever I mention in verses or historical Islamic events will be very true and accurate (since it's well-defined statements), but no question that the "opinion" is something personal that we can agree with or won't agree.

Now regarding your point; It's true that it's not necessary that all people should be "orthodox". I certainly agree with that. But the question is:

To what extent violence against others is clear in your ideology so that we can judge whether it's only extremists or ordinary people who will employ it?

In other words, take for example the Jewish. Violence is not a very clear feature in God's commands from the Jewish point of view. That's why only extremists might interpret some verses to maybe attack Muslims according to it.

On the other hand, in Koran, violence is so clear and very well determined that it does NOT need an extremists to interpret its verses on its violent side.

That's why even normal people (not extremists) were so happy during the Sep 11 events.

Can I ask you something?

How many Jewish thinks Muslims should be totally killed?
10% ?!

How many of these 10% are extremists?
99%.

Ok, let's go to the other side…

How many Muslims thinks Jewish are pigs and should be killed?
At least 95%.

How many of these 95% are extremists?!
I claim that it's no more than 10%.

It's the believes of the ORDINARY Muslims that no peace with Jewish what so ever. It's does NOT need an extremist to interpret the hate verses in the Koran as a hate verse.

[ibrodsky]

Ezra,

So do you think 95% of Turks are not Moslems as they claim, or that they want to kill all Jews?

...and the reason why so many Moslems were happy about 9/11 was that hatred towards the West is what they are taught in their schools, by their governments, by their media, and (yes) in their mosques.

[fair]

Ezra
The Gehad of islam is not gehad of extremists
Gehad of Islam is for who fighting us or dismissed us from our homes and not against or specific for christians or jews
You seems has no idea about Islam and your books are Israeli issue
We suffer in islamic countries from those extremists who you are taking them ideal moslems
we know that jewish religion orderd to kill anybody unjew

If our religion Islam against christians or jews . how we lived with them in egypt for thousand and five hundreds years

I think u r orthdox christian or extremist jew
We regard palestinians that try to dismiss the occupation by force
espescialy when Israel refuse to withdrew by negotiation and talks

what about palestinians u dismissed them from their country homes at 48 .. do u expect them will smile and thank you
Instead of you asking for new forign russian and african immigrants keep the original owners to return back to be fair

[victot]

we know that jewish religion orderd to kill anybody unjew

where do you get that from?