Facts about Islam

[Ezra]

Mr. Fair,

You said: Gehad of Islam is for who fighting us or dismissed us from our homes and not against or specific for Christians or Jews.

Ok… Let me take you step by step..

1) Your Koran says that God ordered you to issue the Jihad against ANY (I REPEAT: ANY) "Moshrekeen" (those who don't believe in Mohammed or Koran).. True or False?
2) Neither Jewish nor Christians believe in Mohammed, thus they are from "El-Moshrekeen"… True or False?
3) Thus, you are ordered to issue Jihad against them AT ANY TIME/ circumstances.. True or False?

Note that I choose the hard way to answer your question since I could have brought to you at least 10 verses that have UNCONDITIONAL order in your Koran to fight Jewish and Christians till they believe in Mohammed.

Then you said: If our religion Islam against christians or jews . how we lived with them in egypt for thousand and five hundreds years

Hmmmm.. How many Jews are there in Egypt? Are Christians not persecuted in Egypt? Whom are you kidding?

[fair]

Miracles of the Holy Qur'an
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Baher = Sea ... mentioned in quran 32 times
Barr = Landmass ... mentioned in quran 13 times

The word (Sea or Water) mentioned 32 times, and the word (Landmass) mentioned 13 times in the Holy Qur'an, if we add them together we will get 45.
Now let us do some calculations...
By finding the percentage of the number of the word (Sea) to the total number of the words (Sea and Landmass) we will have:
(32/45)x100% = 71.11111111111%
By finding the percentage of the number of the word (Landmass) to the total number of the words (Sea and Landmass) we will have:
(13/45)x100% = 28.88888888889%
We will find what Allah (swt) said in His Holy Book 14 centaury ago that the ratio of water on earth is 71.11111111111%, and the ratio of landmass is 28.88888888889%,
add them together and you will get 100%, and these are the real ratios of the Water and landmass on earth.
So what do you think? Could it be a Chance?!
Who do you think taught prophet Muhammad all of these?
I am just telling you that " Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) Desire " so bow thankful to your Lord for being a Muslim, what you have read is a small part of the Numeric Miracles of the Holy Qur'an, there are big volumes about the miracles of the Qur'an....

[Ezra]

Hahahaha.. Again this funny posts Mr. Fair..

I LOVE IT WHEN YOU POST IT EACH TIME YOU STUCK WHILE TALKING ABOUT "JIHAD" AND YOUR BLOODY, MEAN, FULL-OF-HATE BOOK…

Why didn't you spend sometime answering my questions instead of this funny numbers?

[fair]

Ezra

May u are interesting to change ur Idea about Islam
Read this link

http://www.islam-guide.com/

[L@mplighterM]

Interesting calculations takeo I do however feel that someone that draws that conclusion is not all there in the head.
It does give me a bit of insight into the workings of a fundamentalist’s brain or lack of it.

[Ezra]

Mr. Fair,

What do you think I am? An idiot? Or someone easy to fool? Do you really think I need these tricky useless site to understand Islam?

No Sir.. I already studies Islam for half of my life from the core of Islam, i.e. Egypt.

Now I have two questions for you:

1) Try to search for "Jihad" in your web site. I wonder why you get only one irrelevant link to the word although this word is considered one of the core issues in Islam…. Strange ha ?!
2) Why did you send me this site, and didn’t send me your ABSOLUTELY MOST FAMOUS Islamic site, i.e. www.isalmway.com? Hmmmmmm… Do you want to know the reason? Shall I quote some of its contents here?

And finally, why didn't you answer my question? Don't you have a brain to think? Don't you know the answers? Are you ashamed of it and try to change the topic?

[cerulean]

Ezra, do you mean

http://www.islamway.com

In any event, this site looks interesting. The English version is at
http://english.islamway.com/

[fair]

Ezra
What is your opinion about these Qur'an verseses

1- Islam forbids the attack on innocent civilians
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do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors

(Al-Baqarah: 190)

if anyone slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people

(Al-Maidah: 32)

Help ye one another in righteousness and piety, but help ye not one another in sin and rancour: fear Allah: for Allah is strict in punishment

(Al-Maidah: 2)

2- Islam is the religion of Justice

O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do

(An-Nisa’: 135)

O ye who believe! stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to Piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do

(Al-Maidah: 8)

But if any one earns a fault or a sin and throws it on to one that is innocent, he carries (on himself) (both) a falsehood and a flagrant sin

(An-Nisa’: 112)

Allah commands justice, the doing of good, and liberality to kith and kin, and He forbids all shameful deeds, and injustice and rebellion: He instructs you, that ye may receive admonition

(An-Nahl: 90)

And if ye do catch them out, catch them out no worse than they catch you out: but if ye show patience, that is indeed the best (course) for those who are patient

(An-Nahl: 126)

But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is the One that Heareth and Knoweth (all things)

(Al-Anfal: 61)

3- Islam is a religion that guarantees the freedom of faith for all

Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects Evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things

(Al-Baqarah: 256)

Say, "The Truth is from your Lord": Let him who will, believe, and let him who will, reject (it)

(Al-Kahfi: 29)

To you be your Way, and to me mine

(A-Kafirun
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Is that enough or u need more

I worry that you may change and become moslem after reading the previous verses

for Gehad I will post later
after u digest these lest u get mind distortion

about Moshrikeen u mentioned it doisn't include Christians and jews It means the infidels
Islam respect the heaven ( sky or god ) religions like christianity and jewish
regards

[Ezra]

Nice verses. I know that this all what you have! I'll be so happy to answer them. Meanwhile why don't you start describing the verses I mentioned? Because otherwise we will all know that your book is full of contradiction and is written based on the mood of his writer!

Also meanwhile, please answer this question:

The defination of "Moshrekeen" : whom who doesn't believe in God OR his prophets OR his books.. RIGHT?

NEITHER THE JEWS NOR THE CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN MUHAMMAD OR QORAN. RIGHT?

I want straight NON-MANIPLULATIVE ANSWER please.

[Ezra]

Believe me Mr. Fair, No one converted to Islam EVER READ THE TRUE VERSION OF QORAN..

Believe me (based on a wide experience in Egypt), the easiest way to make someone leave Islam is to let him read the whole Koran wisely and read Muhamad sxual/military life.

[fair]

I told you that Moshrikeen mean non religious people .. Infidels
Christins and Jews are book people and religious .. they are not infidels or Moshrikeen
Islam confess with Jews and Christians but deny other religions
like hindos and booza
Islam ordered us that the religion and faith is not compulsion

[L@mplighterM]

1- Islam forbids the attack on innocent civilians


Before reply to all your verses let’s deal with # 1

How does Mohamed define innocent?

I’ll tell you this he sure the hell doesn’t define it the same way it’s defined in the west.

And by the way where have all your women gone takeo?

[Ezra]

With all respect Mr. Fair, you are either a BIG LIAR or a BIG IGNORANT..

Go and find the description of Moshrekeen first then come back and argue.

I'll write it in arabic for you (hope my arabic is still good):
Al-koffar wa el-moshrekeen hom kol man lam yo'men be Allah aw Mala'ekatoh aw rosoloh aw kotoboh aw el-youm el-aakher.

(translation: infidels are everyone who denies God, His angels, his prophets, his books, or the last judgment day).

THAT'S WHAT YOUR KORAN SAYS MR. FAIR…. RIGHT OR WRONG?

NEITHER JEWS NOR CHRISTIAN BELIEVE IN MUHAMMAD OR KORAN.

Another thing, are you saying that Jews and Christians are not infidels? OK, IN ONE STRAIGHT YES OR NO : From the Islam point of view, can a Jews or Christian enter Heaven?

Mr. Fair, please respect our mind and answer straight answers.

[fair]

Ezra

sorry
Iam not going to be involved in unbehaved discussion with you

[L@mplighterM]

Thank you Mr. fair by not answering you answered.