Facts about Islam

[Ezra]

Originally posted by ibrodsky
A lot of European persecutions had a religious basis. They didn't come out of thin air.

The problem with Islam is that it hasn't changed over the centuries, while Christianity and Judaism have.

The fact that Moslems (even moderates) demand Islamic states shows that Islam opposes separation of church and state. This leads to institutionalized human rights abuses.

ibrodsky,

Would you please mention some historical/biblical evidence of your first phrase?

Can you give us example on how Christianity or Judaism has changed while Islam hasn't?

Can you please give a specific evidence (numbers/categories…etc) on why your third phrase should be reliable and trustworthy?

[L@mplighterM]

What I meant by Jihad is the bombing of the world towers and other terrorist acts. That’s the way I see it.

I sure hope that the Muslims in the US armed forces don’t have access to the nuclear arsenal.

As far as intentionally targeting civilians I don’t think we’ve been there in the last 50 years. There has been individual acts.

[fair]

We know that Judaism is the only religion encouraging to kill people of other religions
and consider them pigs
as mentioned in talmud and zionist protocol
Your hakham Obadia also mentioned and repeated that

[NewsGuy]

Fair,

1. Actually, what we know is that Islam is the only religion that refers to non-believers as monkeys and pigs. Not Judaism and not Christianity.

2. The Koran explicitly calls for the mass murder of all non-Muslims. That's a fact.

3. I also see that you refer to the Jewish Talmud. Have you ever read it to know what it actually says? I think not. If you have as you claim, please show me where it says what you say it does.

4. Most importantly, I see that you refer to the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" as an authoritative source. Do you know what you're talking about or who wrote that miserable piece of anti-Semitic garbage?

5. Ovadia Yosef is not an authority. He is known as a senile old man with emotional illness and has no bearing on what Jews believe. But for Arabs, they relate to him because as a deranged, mentally unstable individual, he closely resembles many popular Islamic clerics. But make no mistake, he is nothing to Jews, and he was immediately investigated by the Israeli justice department for the crime of incitement for what he said, unlike Islamic clerics who are respected for urging the mass murder of innocent non-Muslim women and children. That's one main difference between Muslim and non-Muslim societies: Muslim society respects clerics who call for murder, while non-Muslim societies consider it a crime.

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You know, I am starting to think that your only sources are Arab propaganda and perhaps some Nazi literature to base your opinion on. Why not try to get more educated by reading other sources?

Since you live outside of your original Arab country, you have the freedom to read actual facts from reliable sources, unlike the rest of your countrymen. You should really take advantage of that Western non-Muslim freedom and find out what else the free world has to offer.

[Ezra]

Well, NewsGuy you haven't left me anything to say after your well-said words (except for 120 verse from Koraan that insult non-Muslims and calls for either forcing them to Islam or killing them).

Fair.. In a STRAIGHT yes or no, AREN'T MUSLIMS CALL JEWISH PIGS?

[Ezra]

Originally posted by fair
We know that Judaism is the only religion encouraging to kill people of other religions
and consider them pigs

Fair,

Would you please prove for us that Muslims are not liars and point to us where is it written in the Taorah what have you have just said?

[L@mplighterM]

Whatever it says in any book New Testament, Torah, Old Testament, or any other book is moot.

The fact is that Islamic Fundamendalists are inspired by the Koran to commit hateful acts against Jews and others.

[Flame]

Apparenlty Fair hasn't bothered to read a copy of the Talmud. All the experts like him find "the talmud" on nazi sites that have made up selections... all suited to give these hateful creatures a big fat hard-on. Some people get their jollies with porn... others use hating Jews for the same reason.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by Ezra
Well, NewsGuy you haven't left me anything to say after your well-said words (except for 120 verse from Koraan that insult non-Muslims and calls for either forcing them to Islam or killing them).
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Thanks, Ezra.

There's actually one thing that I forgot to convey.

Maybe it goes without saying, but there are, of course, also many Muslims who oppose violence, regardless of what the Koran says. They interpret the Koran in a peaceful way and live a peaceful lifestyle. I have personally met many such people, for whom I have the utmost respect and would be glad to live side-by-side as neighbors.

I would never pre-judge a Muslim based on the Koran's violent verses. But once a Muslim says publicly that he or she believes in a Jihad, then I would most definitely take them very seriously and treat them accordingly.

So I am not making a blanket statement about Muslims, I am just pointing to the facts of the Koran as I understand them (and I am certainly no Koran scholar to say the least). So, IMO, Muslims need to be treated according to their individual actions, not their religion, but it is also fair to keep in mind the context of the Koran that does dictate the actions of many Muslims indeed.

[Ezra]

NewsGuy,

Let me correct a very important conceptual mistake that most non-Muslims fall in.

You said:
[Maybe it goes without saying, but there are, of course, also many Muslims who oppose violence, regardless of what the Koran says. They interpret the Koran in a peaceful way and live a peaceful lifestyle. I have personally met many such people]

Well, I have a small comment on this phrase based on both my studies in the Islamic Feqh and my social living with Egyptian Muslims.

Why do you think the Egyptian government had no other choice but using armed force against Islamic fundamentalists? And why had it always arrested Islamic students before every student unions election? Wouldn't it have been easier for it to get some of these fundamentalists and discuss their ideologies on air on public television and prove that these people have wrong interpretations? Couldn't Al-Azhar just make extensive media materials to face such ideology?

WHY COULDN'T THE HIGHEST ISLAMIC AUTHORITY IN THE ISALMIC WORLD (EL-AZHAR) FACE THE ROCKET-SPEED SPREADING IDEOLOGY OF ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISTS?

Because simply they will fail!!!!! I have attended tremendous number of lectures about Jihad, and non of the so called moderate Muslims were ever able to beat the Koran-based logic of an Islamic fundamentalists. They just can't do it!

Muslims who oppose violence DON'T oppose violence because they interpret Koran in a peaceful way. They oppose violence because THEY IGNORE THE VIOLENCE VERSES IN KORAN or they use some logic that is completely and restrictedly forbidden in Islam (like for example what Mr. Fair tried to trick us with before when he said the Jihad was for a certain period of time and not anymore).

[fair]

The problem that u made the Judaism closed private and secret religion
It deprivate other people to join it
But Islam is broadmind , universal and opened religion
Every day people rush towards Islam to be moslems
we consider jews uncomplete moslems ( half moslems )
because our Islam has completed all religions
and mohamed is the last prophet
for that we prefer jews and christians than infidels
and allowed for moslem to marry from them
regard,s

[Ezra]

Fair,
I love it when you stop posting each time you stuck in some questions then come back after a while after we have forgot these questions! So smart!

Ok, since you opened the topic once again, let me ask you something:

IN ONE STRAIGHT YES OR NO : From the Islam point of view, can a Jews or Christian enter Heaven?

[Ezra]

Originally posted by fair
But Islam is broadmind , universal and opened religion

Mr. Fair,

Would you please tell us "hokm el-deen" (the judgment of Islam) regarding a Muslim who decided (using his open mind that you just talked about) to convert to Christianity?

[fair]

Ok ezra
I know that u are fanatic jew live in blissed America
but just i asked some questions that u didn't reply
1 - why u closed your religion and changed it to private religion previnted anybody to join it , opposite to the wish of the god

2 - why u repeat every time that u are sematic , especily that this word provoke other people , they suspect that u mean that u are super and proud
arab are sematic and the best people too as mentioned in quran
but we didn't repeat that , like you are doing

judgement of Islam is ..
man yomen falinafsoh wa man yakfor falinafsoh
mean
who get in faith it's up to him .. who will be infidel it's up to him

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by fair
The problem that u made the Judaism closed private and secret religion
It deprivate other people to join it

Fair,

What are you talking about "closed, private and secret" religion???

With all due respect, is this fantasy from the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", or perhaps from your usual Friday afternoon anti-Semitic incitement session at the mosque?

I've told you before, since you have the Western, non-Muslim freedom to get objective information, you should take advantage of it and find out which myths you have been fooled with since childhood.