Support India for Permanent Membership of the UN SC

[humus_sapiens]

Support India for Permanent Membership of the UN Security Council

Democracies Against Terror
As you know, there is growing economic and military cooperation
between Israel and India. More than that, they are both open,
tolerant democracies facing the enemy of radical violent
Islamists whose goal is to destroy both nations, as well as
America.

http://www.petitiononline.com/USINPAC/petition.html

[yehudi]

Originally posted by humus_sapiens
Support India for Permanent Membership of the UN Security Council

India is a democracy which elected fundamentalist hindouists as head of government. India routinely practices torture and represses mulsims because of their religion and opinion.

Please wait for India to become a more civilized, wise and mature country before promoting it to the Security Council.

[humus_sapiens]

Originally posted by yehudi
India is a democracy which elected fundamentalist hindouists as head of government. India routinely practices torture and represses mulsims because of their religion and opinion.

The Muslims around the globe complain they are being "oppressed". And some people are so naive to actually believe it!

Please wait for India to become a more civilized, wise and mature country before promoting it to the Security Council.

Such as... France, maybe?!

[cerulean]

Originally posted by humus_sapiens
The Muslims around the globe complain they are being "oppressed". And some people are so naive to actually believe it!

Muslims around the world are being oppressed - by their own governments.

I'm sure India isn't perfect. Whether it's worse than some of the other members of the Security Council such as China - I seriously doubt it.

[yehudi]

humus : the "oppressed" or not point is important.

Oppression, or let's say only "feeling of oppression", is the root of terrorism. That's why the point has to be addressed, and not only denied.

Originally posted by cerulean
Muslims around the world are being oppressed - by their own governments.

You sure make a (painful) point Ceru.

I'm sure you are wise enough to admit muslims are not persecuted *only* by their own governments.

And that this "persecution feeling" is the major/root cause of terrorism.

Originally posted by cerulean

I'm sure India isn't perfect. Whether it's worse than some of the other members of the Security Council such as China - I seriously doubt it.

Indeed.

I still think the SC's functionning is blocked often enough. India would veto often, and we have enough vetoing already....

[elke]

Oppression is the root of terrorism? Really? I beg to differ: the real root of terrorism is psychological and philosophical, not societal or political. Terrorism was not an issue in the Middle Ages, it was not an issue in FSU, and it was not an issue in WWII.

Therefore, oppression per se does not give rise to terrorism. Nihilism (anarchy) does. Ultimately, it's the belief - or lack thereof - in the value of societal institutions and law and order, that gives rise to terrorism.

[yehudi]

Originally posted by elke
Oppression is the root of terrorism? Really? I beg to differ: the real root of terrorism is psychological and philosophical

I'd be very interested to discuss this with you, elke. I guess there is a thread on this topic already and here is not the proper place.

On this matter, I feel terrorism is the result of oppression or "feeling of oppression", which is not so different from your "psychological factor". I admit this is not enough to make a correct theory.



I have also this "gut feeling" than most peole on this forum would have become terrorists if they had been"born is Gaza" ... eek

[humus_sapiens]

Originally posted by yehudi
I feel terrorism is the result of oppression or "feeling of oppression", which is not so different from your "psychological factor". I admit this is not enough to make a correct theory.

The motivating force behind terror is neither desperation nor destitution. It's hope. (Bibi, Apr 10, 2002)

IMHO, potential terrorists must lose any hope that their actions would bring any political advancement, only punishment.
In hostage negotiations, the right tactics is NOT to give up to the requirements of the terrorists. Otherwise you invite future attacks.

[joan2979]

About one-fifth of humanity lives in this part of the world, also home to a people who taught the world mathematics and also all other liberal arts and it would be a fitting tribute to that culture and also its "Democratic views" which makes it a fit candidate for a permenant seat in U.N

[Mediocrates]

This petition is a wonderful idea. I can't believe no one thought of this before.

[vishnu]

Originally posted by yehudi
India is a democracy which elected fundamentalist hindouists as head of government. India routinely practices torture and represses mulsims because of their religion and opinion.

Please wait for India to become a more civilized, wise and mature country before promoting it to the Security Council.

Hmm.. Do you know that there are reservations in about everything for the minorities( which includes Muslims ) here?. Some seats in College, Jobs ,etc,. are reserved for them in India. While Muslims and and the rest have to fight for the other vacations. Sometimes we have to pay donations in lakhs to a college to get a seat in that college while the duller students get the seat in that college without a sweat. And yet they say they are being oppressed and on and on. Everybody point out to that one incident in Gujarat. But don't utter a word about the burning of the train carrying pilgrims. What do you think we should feel when the Muslims celebrate when Pakistan wins against India in any sporting event like Cricket ( a popular sport here ) . Sometimes they even burn fire crackers. They do it just b'coz Pak is an Islamic state whilst continue to enjoy the benefits they enjoy here. And also every terrorist that is captured turns out to be a muslim. When there is already a growing anti- muslim centiment among some people b'coz of all this then they go and burn a train. I am not supporting the thing what happened after that incident but you should look at all these things as well.

[yehudi]

Originally posted by vishnu
Hmm.. Do you know that there are reservations in about everything for the minorities( which includes Muslims ) here?. Some seats in College, Jobs ,etc,. are reserved for them in India. While Muslims and and the rest have to fight for the other vacations. Sometimes we have to pay donations in lakhs to a college to get a seat in that college while the duller students get the seat in that college without a sweat. And yet they say they are being oppressed and on and on. Everybody point out to that one incident in Gujarat. But don't utter a word about the burning of the train carrying pilgrims. What do you think we should feel when the Muslims celebrate when Pakistan wins against India in any sporting event like Cricket ( a popular sport here ) . Sometimes they even burn fire crackers.

Vishnu,

I was in India a bit before the nuclear crisis with Pakistan erupted, so I know and appreciate you country. I agree with everything you said and I could give credit as well to India as being the biggest democracy on earth and a rival to China in population and probably one day in power. (and my favorite film realisator is Satyajit Ray btw ).

And right now I'm certainly more found of India as a world power than I am of China.

But..

When I traveled in your country I went to Ladahk and through Cachemire. So when I talk about oppression and torture I think you can see what I mean.

[humus_sapiens]

OK, if you necessarily want to impose some conditions.

If Commie China with its horrible human rights record (Tianammen, hello!), has a permanent seat...

If half-drunk Russia, overtaken by mafia, has a permanent seat...

If France making shadowy nuclear deals with Saddam, supporting Assad and Nasrallah, has a permanent seat...

Then explain me why the largest democracy on the face of the planet, can not have it. Because of Pakistan? LOL (thru tears). Not convinced. I'm yet to see a nation without any grievances or aggressive neighbors.

Oh, and BTW, could you also explain me why Israel is the _only_ nation in the world which does not have its turn in the UN SC?

[ofelas]

Succinctly put. h_s...

[the reality]

United nation passed resoultaion on kashmir .but india not following united nation resoultaion on kashmir .then how india able for UN member ship ?
indian army killed 80000 kashmire people (1999 figure)
india sould give right to Dalits.
dalits mean , low caste hindu , high caste hindu,.
india should give right to muslim and chirstian and other minorties in india
indian govt should not support hindu terrorist who want to kill muslims in india.
WHy BJP support hindu terrorist
example, gujrat violence,and fresh uttar pradesh violece., by terrorist hindus
india should not buy weapons but india should correct HIV case in india.
india have first rank in HIV.300 million people live under poverty line but india want to buy weapons .
india sould stop SATI cases. sati mean if husband dead then hindu religion people also killed the husband wife.
all neighbour country have problem with india
china, nepal,bangladesh ,sri lanka, pakistan ..have problem with india