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  1. #31
    MichaelC
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    Originally posted by mimil
    About Osiris, and osirak:

    "It should be known that, until Carter which realized the damage, the sale of engines of research in the world was going well. They are large units or small some far from dear, known as MTR (Materials Testing Reactor) which render great services in the industrial research, the manufacture of the radioisotopes of medical use (a simple scintiscanning uses some) or industrialist (the element ionizing of a smoke detector is americium 241 etc. 200 MTR exist in the world, and any respected university, even in the Third World has one of them. In fact especially the american sold them, business is business. It should be known that some of these engines functioned with very enriched fuel completely suited and without any difficulty of entering the composition of a weapon. The yankees are thus "the" culprits of the proliferation, and they prefer not to praise themselves"


    "Like its name indicates it Osirak is the certified copy of Osiris, an engine who functions with a little enriched fuel and completely incompetent of quarrelsome use: the limit of enrichment of uranium not proliferating is 20%, it is a physical reality, Osiris always was below by construction. "

    mimil
    Your "opinions" are welcome as long as they make sense, but of course you realize that there are other views on the matter. Here is one of them from the webpage of the Federation of American Scientists:

    http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/facility/osiraq.htm

    Iraq began to expand its nuclear sector in the 1970's, but made little progress in the early 1980's, when most of its energy and attention were focused on the war against Iran. In September 1980, at the onset of the Iran-Iraq War, the Israeli Chief of Army Intelligence urged the Iranians to bomb Osiraq. On 30 September 1980 a a pair of Iranian Phantom jets, part of a larger group of aircraft attacking a conventional electric power plant near Baghdad, also bombed the Osiraq reactor. Minor damage to the reactor was reported. No further Iranian air attacks against Iraqi nuclear facilities were identified during the rest of the seven-year war.

    When Israeli intelligence confirmed Iraq's intention of producing weapons at Osiraq, the Israeli government decided to attack. According to some estimates, Iraq in 1981 was still as much as five to ten years away from the ability to build a nuclear weapon. Others estimated at that time that Iraq might get its first such weapon within a year or two. Prime Minister Menachem Begin felt military action was the only remedy. Begin feared that his party would lose the next election, and he feared that the opposition party would not preempt prior to the production of the first Iraqi nuclear bomb.

    The raid would have to occur before its first fuel was to be loaded, before the reactor went "hot" so as not to endanger the surrounding community. The target was distant: 1,100 km from Israel. Preparations included building target mock-ups and flying full scale dress-rehearsal missions. The aircrews were selected from the cream of the IAFs fighter corps. The IDF Chief-of-Staff, Lt. Gen. Rafael (Raful) Eitan, briefed the pilots personally. Displaying unusual emotion, he told them: "The alternative is our destruction".

  2. #32
    Alfred
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    Originally posted by MichaelC
    Your "opinions" are welcome as long as they make sense,

    This is a rather severe requirement....it must be new. Does that mean that Takeo and Northlander are now to be stricken??



  3. #33
    MichaelC
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    Originally posted by Alfred
    This is a rather severe requirement....it must be new. Does that mean that Takeo and Northlander are now to be stricken??


    I wish!!

  4. #34
    Northlander
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    As americans Im sure you will find a way to remove us without making it look like you are breaking the rules of this forum.

    Basic rule numero uno: No one does anything, unless there's a payoff.
    thank you. I cant belive we agree on one single thing. So you would say that USA are not in Iraq to free the iraqi people?

    I for one would say that France do not oppose USA out of morality alone.

    BTW. I heard you lost a helicopter. What can I say?

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    1 - do you want to be a martyr? give the word, we'll kick you off if you want us to. otherwise I don't see it happening.

    2 - probably right, who really cares about Iraq anyway apart from as a proxy to bash the US?

    3 - say whatever you want, fire your AK into the air, buy a pastry, pet your dog.

  6. #36
    Johnny Yuma
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    I Am Become Death...

    Basic rule numero uno: No one does anything, unless there's a payoff.
    thank you. I cant belive we agree on one single thing. ?
    Nope! Not yet. Don't believe it, because we don't.

    So you would say that USA are not in Iraq to free the iraqi people?
    No. I wouldn't say that. I would say that the payoff is that we are there to get rid of a tyranical bastard that poses a threat to the United States, and, in the process, get the Iraqi people out from under his grip. It's a win/win situation. Besides, mother said, "Charity starts at home...."

    I for one would say that France do not oppose USA out of morality alone.
    Hmmm... perhaps I was a bit hasty, when I said we didn't agree on something.

    Here, you are right. France does not oppose us out of morality alone. France wishes to continue selling military components to someone who would like to kill Americans..... and, they would like to continue developing the Iraqi oil fields.

    For you to say that France has the moral high ground, is like a whore claiming she's a virgin to the next trick she propositions.

    BTW. I heard you lost a helicopter. What can I say?
    Yeah. One had mechanical failure and crashed in Kuwait. It happens here, from time to time. We expect it. We've got plenty more.

    BTW... Heard you lost a Concorde a while back. French ingenuity? Ohhh! I'm sorry. I forgot. You're a Swede. You guys don't have anything like that. I like your meatballs, though......

    But in regards to the helicopter, and you and I both know which helicopter you'd like it to have been, I heard was spraying some Iraqi guts all over the desert.

    Don't worry. He's still out there......

    So let me ask you a few questions:

    Do you, as a Swede, feel personally threatened by what the United States is doing?

    Do you think people in the United States are talking about Sweden? If not, does that bother you?

    Would you consider yourself attractive? Do others consider you attractive? If so, why?

    Have you ever heard voices in your head? If yes, what did they say?

    Are you frightened by Americans? If the answer is no, why not?

    Do you have nightmares about Americans? If the answer is no, it should be yes.

  7. #37
    Northlander
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    I know I shouldnt argue with some fat white trash inbreed wacko from arizona but I cant help it. Some army you got there crashing their own helicopters. Isnt it better to use it against the so called enemy?

    For your information my country do have WMD capabilty. Our whole nation is a bloody high-tech, chemical manufactory. We sell a load of regular arms to about anyone that pays. That I call a threat.
    I used to think it was a shame not long ago. Now I dont.
    There is afterall a tiny little chance that your excuse for president finds out and starts to demand inspections. We of course will in turn refuse and hopefully after that I will get the chance of meeting interesting people like you.

    On the other hand we might not ever meet afterall, maybe its just a sweet dream. Not all people are so stupid that they wait for an attack would you say? Pre-emptive strikes can go both ways and since large part of our population can speak american without accent and also sees the benefits of fighting the war on enemy soil I still have hopes for a scenario like that. You have a way of picking the right enemies so far. Well, Vietnam excluded, but hopefully one day you will pick the wrong.

    Im sure you wake up with a hard-on every night dreaming about iraqi guts in some desert. I would just love so much to cure you from it. Why are you not in the desert killing children BTW? Basic training was to hard for you? Did you have to pass an IQ test?

  8. #38
    MichaelC
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    Originally posted by Northlander
    I know I shouldnt argue with some fat white trash inbreed wacko from arizona but I cant help it. Some army you got there crashing their own helicopters. Isnt it better to use it against the so called enemy?

    For your information my country do have WMD capabilty. Our whole nation is a bloody high-tech, chemical manufactory. We sell a load of regular arms to about anyone that pays. That I call a threat.
    I used to think it was a shame not long ago. Now I dont.
    There is afterall a tiny little chance that your excuse for president finds out and starts to demand inspections. We of course will in turn refuse and hopefully after that I will get the chance of meeting interesting people like you.

    On the other hand we might not ever meet afterall, maybe its just a sweet dream. Not all people are so stupid that they wait for an attack would you say? Pre-emptive strikes can go both ways and since large part of our population can speak american without accent and also sees the benefits of fighting the war on enemy soil I still have hopes for a scenario like that. You have a way of picking the right enemies so far. Well, Vietnam excluded, but hopefully one day you will pick the wrong.

    Im sure you wake up with a hard-on every night dreaming about iraqi guts in some desert. I would just love so much to cure you from it. Why are you not in the desert killing children BTW? Basic training was to hard for you? Did you have to pass an IQ test?
    I'm laughing so hard, I spit on the monitor screen!!

    I don't intend to steal any of Mr. Yuma's thunder, as I know he'll have a good time time with this idiotic post, but I did want to say, before I kick back and await his arrival, that you have a habit of regularly digging yourself into some incredibly large holes and now you seem to see fit to also pull the dirt in on your head all by yourself.

    My American readers will grasp the idiom I use, though you may be left in the dust, as you generally are in all your posts.

    Posts like this hardly need be commented upon. They really do stand on their own as a cautionary tale concerning the mental condition of people who live in your neck of the woods.

    Mr Yuma! Mr. Yuma! Where are you!?

  9. #39
    Alfred
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    It is near impossible to explain to a European our reasons for going to war. We do not think alike.

    They come up with all these "motivations" because that is what they would do if they were running the show. They cannot believe our reasoning because they are not Americans.

    Europeans do not liberate....they conquer or colonize.

    Europeans are masters of killing and genocide

    Europeans can out Machiaveilli (sp) the Americans any day


    America was formed by Europeans who were sick of Europe and who wanted a new order. America has been free from day one for the poor and oppressed.

    We do not need to listen to Old Europe...they have very little to offer except excellent cuisine.

    America is not perfect. Far from it. We have our share of airheads (liberals), communists, nazis and the like.

    But America is the most generous and the least imperialistic of any major nation on earth.

    We need not listen to the blathering of the effete.

  10. #40
    Johnny Yuma
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    I think I struck a nerve....

    Originally posted by Northlander
    I know I shouldnt argue with some fat white trash inbreed wacko from arizona but I cant help it. Some army you got there crashing their own helicopters. Isnt it better to use it against the so called enemy?

    For your information my country do have WMD capabilty. Our whole nation is a bloody high-tech, chemical manufactory. We sell a load of regular arms to about anyone that pays. That I call a threat.
    I used to think it was a shame not long ago. Now I dont.
    There is afterall a tiny little chance that your excuse for president finds out and starts to demand inspections. We of course will in turn refuse and hopefully after that I will get the chance of meeting interesting people like you.

    On the other hand we might not ever meet afterall, maybe its just a sweet dream. Not all people are so stupid that they wait for an attack would you say? Pre-emptive strikes can go both ways and since large part of our population can speak american without accent and also sees the benefits of fighting the war on enemy soil I still have hopes for a scenario like that. You have a way of picking the right enemies so far. Well, Vietnam excluded, but hopefully one day you will pick the wrong.

    Im sure you wake up with a hard-on every night dreaming about iraqi guts in some desert. I would just love so much to cure you from it. Why are you not in the desert killing children BTW? Basic training was to hard for you? Did you have to pass an IQ test?
    Actually, we have a true multi-cultural society, so our gene pool is more varied than what you have on that iceberg you live on. Frankly, based on the attrition rate of your population, you won't last another 150 years. In other words, your birth rate can't keep up with the death rate. Better get busy....

    WMD capabilities huh?... Hmmmm. I wonder if your government knows that?

    Hmmmmm... an even greater hmmmmmm. You're threatening us with a pre-emptive strike? Ooooh! Someone get me a Zannex!

    What are you gonna throw our way? Fruit soup? Potato dumplings? Or the dreaded pickled herring? Oh yeah. Weapons of Meatball Destruction....

    Humph. Wake up with a ... well... you know.. Naah. I'm gonna be thinking of a Swede. Ya shure! Can't wait to meet you, too..... sweetie! I bet you'll look really cute in a wedding dress....

  11. #41
    MichaelC
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    Originally posted by Alfred
    It is near impossible to explain to a European our reasons for going to war. We do not think alike.

    They come up with all these "motivations" because that is what they would do if they were running the show. They cannot believe our reasoning because they are not Americans.

    Europeans do not liberate....they conquer or colonize.

    Europeans are masters of killing and genocide

    Europeans can out Machiaveilli (sp) the Americans any day


    America was formed by Europeans who were sick of Europe and who wanted a new order. America has been free from day one for the poor and oppressed.

    We do not need to listen to Old Europe...they have very little to offer except excellent cuisine.

    America is not perfect. Far from it. We have our share of airheads (liberals), communists, nazis and the like.

    But America is the most generous and the least imperialistic of any major nation on earth.

    We need not listen to the blathering of the effete.
    Hear, Hear ! I am down with that with that statement, Alfred.

  12. #42
    Johnny Yuma
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    Re: I think I struck a nerve....

    ...... my wife is standing here asking, "Now how did he know you were a fat white trash whacko from Arizona?"

    ... but she's Norwegian. They don't particularly like Swedes, either....


    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
    Last edited by Johnny Yuma; 03-21-2003 at 05:26 PM.

  13. #43
    Johnny Yuma
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    .... she's making me..

    Okay... she told me to divulge a little about myself.

    I'm not really "from" Arizona, even though I do live here, now. I'm really "from" Florida. And the reason I moved here is because I was offered an attractive position with a local firm.
    When I say attractive, I mean very attractive.

    We live in an up-scale neighborhood in a 4000 square foot energy devouring money pit; four bedrooms, formal living and dining rooms, den, two offices, three car garage, indoor jacuzzi, and... a snooker table; my personal favorite.

    We have a Shar Pei that thinks he's a human being, and he prefers not to walk on grass, because it's not as soft as the carpet in the house. He also loves New York Strips.... medium rare. Just a little A-1 sauce, please. Sorry... I went on about the dog.. I'm fond of him.

    I have six vehicles at the house; a 2002 Montero, a 1961 Chevy pickup (cherry), a 1966 Mustang (coupe, not fastback, also cherry), a 2001 Jeep Sahara, and a 1999 "Mini Wini' motorhome. I'm hating the price of gas, right now.... We really need those oil fields......

    That's about all I'm going to tell you, because anything else might be enough for you to make good on your "pre-emptive strike".

    Otherwise, if that's what it means to be white trash, I'll take it any day, over being a pasty effeminate Swede.....

    If that's

  14. #44
    Johnny Yuma
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    Parlez vous?

    Originally posted by mimil
    I never mentionned or talked about any debt, I do not question the fact that france does not speak german because of the american intervention. I am saying that WWII is not a proper argument to protest about the french position.

    As for french duplicitous politiciens ... I am still not sure what is my position. I never liked many of the country politics in the past, to be honest I am still searching for one worth trust anywhere else. Whatever Chirac's motive, and I do not here express any opinion on the content, I am pretty amazed by the fact that he has the guts to stand up and resist the american juggernauts. It seems to please and make life so much easier for so many other leaders that ... I am stunt by such a position.

    Finally, who said I was french ??


    Regards,
    Mimil
    Your syntax speaks volumes..... You write your sales English as though you are speaking Francais....

  15. #45
    Northlander
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    Alfred I think you better send that list of the bad europeans and the good americans to the arab nations cause they sure dont know it. What we saw today was pure hate on the streets in S.Arabia,Egypt,Jordan etc etc. Hate towards USA, not europe.

    This is about preventing terrorism, yeah right.

    ok, Johnny I see calling you white trash did hurt. Im sure you have gotten your share of the american dream. Dont worry I was just trying to provoke you.
    My point of taking Sweden as an example is because no matter how laughable a conflict would be between us we are potentially much more of a threat than Iraq is to you so you wouldnt lack reasons. It would also be more fun for you because we wouldnt just stand still in the desert having our guts blown out by apaches, more of a challenge so to speak. Dont get me wrong, you would win of course but maybe life wouldnt be so fun after that.

    On occasions we harbour terrorists or potentional terrorists as most other european countries indeed do. That is because of the very large number of immigrants we take in compared to our population and especially the countries they come from. Mainly countries where you americans have done your stuff. That is a terrific reason wouldnt you say? We dont train them but what the heck.

    We have no nuke program even though we had. We however do sell arms all over the place. Our laws says we cant sell to countries in war but the government does it nevertheless.
    We clearly sell far more than Iraq so there you have another reason.
    Since we always have seen war with Russia as the most emminent threat we still needed some kind of deterent during the cold war and nukes were out of the question, its there biological weaponry comes into place. It doesnt matter that our population doesnt know it as long as the russians do. There you have the ground for most of the swedish medical and chemical industries. Since we are one of the countries in the world with most scientists per capita we never had any problems keeping fairly up to date with the military development in the world.
    In a much debated article one professor at an university here wrote that the time it would take to lay over the production from medical to military in the event of a crisis were somewhere around 3 weeks in the largest medical factories. Probably shorter during the most serious crisis with the russians.
    With a little fantasy you can probably imagine that our nation as a very small neutral country during the cold war had little choice but to really plan for retaliation on the russians. Just in case. The price for them always had to be higher the the gains. My point is that you americans could quite easy use this as an excuse for invasion so today basically any western country with a average level of chemical industry could be seen as a potential threat. Iraq is probably 20 years after any european and most asian countries when it comes to military science AND in amount of armsdeals.

    Me and my friends just discussed how it comes that the Iraqis use the tactics the do. The logic of the defence of Baghdad is obvious. That they have understood but other than that its like they have absolutely no idea about whats happening or what will happen. What have they done since the last war in preparing for this? Anyone here doing their military service is used to training for a war they will surely lose, the hypothetical war with the russians. The sole purpose of the training and also the weaponry is not to win but rather to create as much terror and destruction as possible. You get my point? Really dirty fighting. The Iraqis are in the same situation but they have no similar doctrine.

    The japanese army used anthrax in manchuria during their occupation there and even today the chinese government have problems getting rid of it. The spores lives in the ground. Poor farmers still live with open wounds in the legs that never heals just from moving in certain areas. 60 years after.
    Many americans are very naive when you see modern conflicts. You are far to used to battle people that fight on your terms. I hope you nothing bad, I really dont do but you must understand that sooner or later someone will really start to think about military doctrines like that of even my own, pathetic small peaceful welfare state. Invasion can never be an option. Ever.
    Had the Iraqis seen it the same way and had they indeed HAD any of the chemical/biological weapons you say they have, they would have striked at you in USA by now.

    No matter how cool you feel when seeing your tremendous military power you should realise that the majority of the world sees it too. I dont feel threatened by you. But many people do. Especially arab nations today and I imagine N.korea. How long do you think it takes for anyone finding out effective deterents? What do you think Iran is thinking about now? S.Arabia? When they realise that terrorbalance is indeed possible they will feel much safer.

    Im sad this is the truth but it really is. Why would people outside US accept living in fear of attack by you? You lose security and your population are even more threatened by every military victory you have. Not the opposite. Since you never seem to stop your wars I still hope you pick the wrong choice someday anyway. It will learn you that war is hell and war is terror. Depending on who is next I guess we will find out eventually.

    I say it will take 2 or 3 more weeks for you to have total victory. That is not a good defence which is the evidence they were never a threat to you. I would much rather fight you now than the russians during the cold war. You are more capable clearly but it would nevertheless be easier in many ways. Mainly regarding propaganda and the public opinions but also because of your doctrine and also the background of your soldiers.

    the Iraqis fail to see anything about you but nevertheless I wish them good luck as an invaded nation.

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