Let Israel help India fight terrorism, according to Bush Doctrine

[humus_sapiens]

Dear Mr. President:

You said it best in September of 2001: "If you are not with us, you are against us". The far-signted and visionary "Bush Doctrine" has changed the world, for the better.

President Wilson had the courage to fight WWI in order to "...make the world safe for democracy". You have found the courage to fight world wide Islamist terrorism, simply to make the world safe. Safe!

The Arab supporters of Islamic Jihad, Hesbollah, Hamas, el Qaeda, and other Islamist terrorist groups, have made it clear where they stand. They are against us, and will use terrorism to kill as many of us as they can, wherever they can, whenever they can....Israel, Kashmir, India, Indonesia....and our own homeland.

Israel and India are fighting a war of survival against the same Islamist terrorist enemy that threatens us. They are with us.

Let Israel sell weaponry to India. Help India fight the terrorism, just as you help Israel. Otherwise, you are abandoning your own doctrine.

Respectfully yours,

[ofelas]

And, most importantly, keep the ultra left liberal watchdogs out of India, so they don't "protect" the rights of the "poor, picked on Islamic jihadis"...

[Knightmare]

Let Israel sell weaponry to India. Help India fight the terrorism, just as you help Israel. Otherwise, you are abandoning your own doctrine.

Respectfully yours,

God helps those who help themselves. Israel helps itself. India meanwhile is in search of a shoulder to rest its gun

India will serve Biryani and mangoes to "Musharaff Saheb" and provoke Bush to condemn Pakistan in G8 conference !

India will run the train Samjhuta Express ( reconciliation express) to Pakistan, and appeal US to impose embargo !

India the smartest nation

[saralolo]

i don't think india will need israel help.. coz israel's Policy is just ((terrorism))

[the reality]

Dear Mr. President:

You said it best in September of 2001: "If you are not with us, you are against us". The far-signted and visionary "Bush Doctrine" has changed the world, for the better.

President Wilson had the courage to fight WWI in order to "...make the world safe for democracy". You have found the courage to fight world wide Islamist terrorism, simply to make the world safe. Safe!

The Arab supporters of Islamic Jihad, Hesbollah, Hamas, el Qaeda, and other Islamist terrorist groups, have made it clear where they stand. They are against us, and will use terrorism to kill as many of us as they can, wherever they can, whenever they can....Israel, Kashmir, India, Indonesia....and our own homeland.

Israel and India are fighting a war of survival against the same Islamist terrorist enemy that threatens us. They are with us.

Let Israel sell weaponry to India. Help India fight the terrorism, just as you help Israel. Otherwise, you are abandoning your own doctrine.

Respectfully yours,

dear , Admin ..if this is independent forum and here is freedom of speach then i think you will not delete my reply. thx_}

WHAT ! you are calling terrorist those who want freedom since 1947.
700000 indian army in kashmir . why ,.even US have 150000 army in iraq.
picture speak thousand words .civilian victims by indian army

Bodies of peaceful citizens used by Indian troops as human shield

http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/7610/img002lxs0.jpg

Young painter shot dead by BSF & SOG men while painting wall in Habbakadal Srinagar

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Black Day on India's Republic Day means that
Kashmiris never accepted Indian invasion of their motherland - (KMS Photo)

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These are not Nazi forces but Indian troops who have no respect for women folk - (KMS Photo)

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Indian forces seem to have been specially trained to destroy
whole localities in Jammu and Kashmir - (KMS Photo)

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Indian forces have now tested a new means
of repression i.e. to sprinkle oil and torch Kashmiris - (KMS Pho

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In IHK, Demonstrations held in Ganderbal against Indian State terrorism...(Photo... KMS)

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Indian troops burnt to ashes more than 70 structures with
heavy mortar shelling on ZAB village in Kupwara district of IHK...(Photo KMS)
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80000 kashmire people were killed by indian army (1999 , figure)


web sites about kashmir (facts)
http://www.ummah.net/kashmir/
US condem india over kashmir
http://www.ummah.net/kashmir/reports/ustates.htm
United Nations' Resolutions on Kashmir
http://www.klc.org.pk/un/unr.htm
see pictures and decide himslef that who is terr
http://www.holocaustinkashmir.50megs.com/
Kashmire were want to live with pakistan at the time of 1947.and they give vote for pakistan.but indian army occupied kashmir with 700000
see this video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...4913&q=kashmir
more web sites about kashmir
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/3023/kashmir.html

[ofelas]

I'd trust the democratically ordained Indian Army WAY more than the bunch of frothy mouthed Islamic rabble who misconstrue those links.

[the reality]

I'd trust the democratically ordained Indian Army WAY more than the bunch of frothy mouthed Islamic rabble who misconstrue those links.

india not give primmission to amnesty ..to enter in kashmir.
what Islamic rabble ...!!!! kashmir is not indian part.indian army occuped kashmir.
if they rabble then they should not request to india that follow UN resoultaion.

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how many web site you need ?
www.kmsnews.org
http://www.webcom.com/hrin/parker/sub01ws.html < written by non muslim
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4006529.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4086663.stm

[Knightmare]

Gentlemen, without understanding the history of the state of Jammu & Kashmir, it would be unfair to judge either the Indian Army or the Kashmiris.

During 1947, just when the British were bidding goodbye to India, each state was asked (by British) to sumbit their preference for joining the Indian Union, Pakistan or remain independent. Jammu & Kashmir chose to remain independent joining neither India nor Pakistan. In 1948, Pakistan sent a large number of tribesmen aided by its newly formed army into J & K to annexe it;who immediately embarked on a loot and rape spree. The maharaja of J & K Hari Singh sent an SOS to India requesting military intervention which was rejected by India. On a repeat SOS, India put forward a clause of accession to India ,as a precondition of military intervention which was accepted by Mr. Hari Singh.

The Maharaja signed the Instruement of Accession and the resultant Indian Military campaign managed to drive back the tribesmen when unexpectedly, Jawaharlal Nehru ;the then Indian Prime Minister halted the campaign and started negotiating with Pakistan. As a result, half of Kashmir remains under the control of Pakistani Army till today.

The status quo was maitained till 1987 and there was no terrorism etc , Kashmiris were an extremely hospitable people and the state managed to maintain its status as " paradise on earth", ie. the extent under Indian control free of any communal disturbance. The part under Pakistan has seen little develpement and is strictly under the control of Pakistani Army who use the females as comfort women.

In 1987, the elections in the state of J & K was heavily rigged by the political party Congress with the aid of Dr. Farooq Abdullah, the leader of National Front , a very unpopular and corrupt party. The Kashmiris rose in rebellion which was strictly political and genuine. Pakistan, smelling blood, gave it a communal colour and started sending terrorists to destabilise the state and those terrorists have killed more muslims than people of other religions. Subsequently, the movement deviated to a Muslim vs Non Muslim confrontation which resulted in the muslims driving out all Hindus and Sikhs, rape a large number of their women, kill many of the intelligentia besids wanton destruction of property including Universites and Institutions of public welfare and inflicting a death blow to tourism by specifically targetting tourists.

Indian Army was called in and during these years, there has indeed been some instances of human rights violations by the army but each instance has been investigated and the guilty court marshalled. I should also state that the Indian Medical Corps has earned termendous goodwill among Kashmiris.

The UN resolution calls for plebestcite in Kashmir 'with the demography of the state unchanged'. Today, with every Kashmiri living under the guns of terrorists , plebiscite is virtually impossible. Therefore, India organized elections open to everybody which was contested and won by registered political party ( ies). Note it, terrorists killed and threatened en masse against participating in elections !

India has done humanely the most it can do to nurtue Kashmir but can't afford to hand it over to Pakistan and watch it turning into a training camp of Jehadis.

[the reality]

Gentlemen, without understanding the history of the state of Jammu & Kashmir, it would be unfair to judge either the Indian Army or the Kashmiris.

During 1947, just when the British were bidding goodbye to India, each state was asked (by British) to sumbit their preference for joining the Indian Union, Pakistan or remain independent. Jammu & Kashmir chose to remain independent joining neither India nor Pakistan. In 1948, Pakistan sent a large number of tribesmen aided by its newly formed army into J & K to annexe it;who immediately embarked on a loot and rape spree. The maharaja of J & K Hari Singh sent an SOS to India requesting military intervention which was rejected by India. On a repeat SOS, India put forward a clause of accession to India ,as a precondition of military intervention which was accepted by Mr. Hari Singh.

The Maharaja signed the Instruement of Accession and the resultant Indian Military campaign managed to drive back the tribesmen when unexpectedly, Jawaharlal Nehru ;the then Indian Prime Minister halted the campaign and started negotiating with Pakistan. As a result, half of Kashmir remains under the control of Pakistani Army till today.

The status quo was maitained till 1987 and there was no terrorism etc , Kashmiris were an extremely hospitable people and the state managed to maintain its status as " paradise on earth", ie. the extent under Indian control free of any communal disturbance. The part under Pakistan has seen little develpement and is strictly under the control of Pakistani Army who use the females as comfort women.

In 1987, the elections in the state of J & K was heavily rigged by the political party Congress with the aid of Dr. Farooq Abdullah, the leader of National Front , a very unpopular and corrupt party. The Kashmiris rose in rebellion which was strictly political and genuine. Pakistan, smelling blood, gave it a communal colour and started sending terrorists to destabilise the state and those terrorists have killed more muslims than people of other religions. Subsequently, the movement deviated to a Muslim vs Non Muslim confrontation which resulted in the muslims driving out all Hindus and Sikhs, rape a large number of their women, kill many of the intelligentia besids wanton destruction of property including Universites and Institutions of public welfare and inflicting a death blow to tourism by specifically targetting tourists.

Indian Army was called in and during these years, there has indeed been some instances of human rights violations by the army but each instance has been investigated and the guilty court marshalled. I should also state that the Indian Medical Corps has earned termendous goodwill among Kashmiris.

The UN resolution calls for plebestcite in Kashmir 'with the demography of the state unchanged'. Today, with every Kashmiri living under the guns of terrorists , plebiscite is virtually impossible. Therefore, India organized elections open to everybody which was contested and won by registered political party ( ies). Note it, terrorists killed and threatened en masse against participating in elections !

India has done humanely the most it can do to nurtue Kashmir but can't afford to hand it over to Pakistan and watch it turning into a training camp of Jehadis.

great joke .
in 1947 kashmire people were give vote for pakistan and they want to live with pakistan .but in 1947 india send their 700000 army in kashmir .and occupied kashmir. and start to killing people and start rape of women.and start to tourtcher the CHILD..beacuse they wanting freedom!!!!!!! i was got shock when i read that indian army tourchring child .indian army killed 80000 kashmire civilian.
then kashmire people stand against indian army.. and you calling them terrorist. amazing.
then in 1948 pakistan and india fight war over kashmir.
in this war india loss and 30% percent of kashmir got freedom.if war continue then all kashmir were got freed but indian govt run in UN then UN passed resoulation on kashmir.now india himself denying this resoulation.
pakistan streessed many time to follow UN .but india saying that pakistan should not request to follow UN.!!!
in resoulation UN will laucnh polling station in both side of kashmir.but india denying this ,.beacuse india know that kashmire people will give vote for freedom. UN WILL LAUNCH POLLING STATION. NOT INDIAN OR PAKISTANI GOVT.
are u know about under pakistani kashmir?
pakistani under kashmir have their own flag.they have their own assembly.
this thing tell that pakistan respect kashmire people opinion.
see the flag of Azad kashmir(freed kashmir under pakistan)
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/457/flagzl5.gif

Prime minister of Azad kashmir(under pakistan kashmir)

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Assembly hall of azad kashmir(freed kashmir under pakistan )

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pakistan give free state status to kashmir.which india not give. !!!
and kashmire people request to pakistan that send army in kashmir and protect kashmir from indian army threat (under pakistani kashmir)


are u know that pakistan give 256 billion ruppes to kashmir for rebuild kashmir(earth quake )
and pakistani nation give 30 billion ruppes for kashmire people.
visit here for know about pakistani held kashmir

http://www.worldisround.com/articles/89927/index.html

Pakistan not supporting terrorist in kashmir.they are kashmire people who wanting freedom from indian army violence.and want to make new country.
are u know that NATO were in pakistani held kashmir .but they not found any terr camp.pakistan front line ally in fighintg against terr. are u know ?
whole world thank pakistan for fighting against terrorism

i think you reading histoy book opposit side.(lol)
hey man see what world saying ...you following indian media source.


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[Mediocrates]

Indian - Pakistani issues will be closed off.
Kurd - Turkish issues will be closed off.
Armenian - Turkish issues will be closed off.


Consider this fair warning.

[the reality]

Indian - Pakistani issues will be closed off.
Kurd - Turkish issues will be closed off.
Armenian - Turkish issues will be closed off.


Consider this fair warning.

and israel - plastinin ?

[Knightmare]

Pakistan not supporting terrorist in kashmir.they are kashmire people who wanting freedom from indian army violence.and want to make new country.
are u know that NATO were in pakistani held kashmir .but they not found any terr camp.pakistan front line ally in fighintg against terr. are u know ?
whole world thank pakistan for fighting against terrorism

i think you reading histoy book opposit side.(lol)
hey man see what world saying ...you following indian media source.

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I only know that:--

1) About a week back , in a US court, satellite images showing terror camps in Pakistan were produced.

2) About a week back, the US Govt handed over a list of 21 persons to Pakistan Govt; to be rounded up in a very short period.

3) Post 9/11, Gen Collin Powell made a call to Musharaff. His exact words were " General, you have a choice to make" ( referring-- between Taliban and US Armed Forces). Musharaff was instructed by Powell to stop all aid to Taliban.

4) Mir Ahmed Kansi a Pakistani was arrested by Pakistani Govt and handed over to US. Kansi was later executed in US ( you tell me for what ? You read history books right )

5) The screening system at major Pakistani airports has been taken over by US authorities. Pakistanis work as instructed by the US security services using American equipments.

6) Some days back, it was a Pakistani who shot people praying at a Synagouge in US ;not an Indian.

7) Currently the total strength of Indian Army is 1 million . How exactly India sent 0.7 million troops to Kashmir in 1947 remains a mystery. ( Are you referring to history books printed in Madarsas ? )

8) Prime Minister of POK is nominated by Islamabad, not elected. Some select people stamp the ballots in Muzaffarabad.

9) This might scare you but is true. In 1984, Israel was contemplating doing an Osirak in Kahuta and asked India for refuelling as it lacked long range bombers. India agreed but the operation was blown by an overenthusiastic journo in Delhi airport.

Both your references and incidentally your English is quite atrocious which are pointers to your background and the filthy brainwash subjected to. Your statements are nothing more than impotent and misinformed war cry. And this coming from a nation which murdered 6 million Bangladeshis in 1971.

Pakistan rests on terrorism; it's bread & butter and its USP. What else is Pakistan in news for? Nothing except terrorism. If I am citing only Indian sources, ask any westerner. Nobody will accuse India of terrorism EVER anywhere on earth !

World really thanks Pakistan for FIGHTING terrorism IN PAKISTAN

[Knightmare]

and israel - plastinin ?

See, I am not ridiculing the Arabs but with what exactly do they hope to take on Israel ? Let us be serious and take stock of Palestinians :--

Modern Education ? NO.
Industry ? NO.
Professionals ? NO.
Universities ? NO.
Any pool of genuine supporters overseas NO.
who can lobby strongly ?
Armed Forces ? NO.
Money ? YES. ( But in
Swiss/Panamian accounts of PLO bosses)

So what should be the strategy ?

Sending suicide bombers is not working. France etc are paying only lip service. Nothing is coming out of media blitz against Israel. No Airliners are nowadays allowing hijackers on board. Black/White September has been wiped out. PLO is defunct. Gaddafi is on pilgrimage. Abu Nidal is cavorting with virgins in heaven.

Anything coming out of a brainstorming session ; the reality ? Would be interested.

[karan]

WHAT ! you are calling terrorist those who want freedom since 1947.
700000 indian army in kashmir . why ,.even US have 150000 army in iraq.
picture speak thousand words .civilian victims by indian army

700000 what a great number and how many Pakistani soldiers are place in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. The Indian army is there to protect the people from your blood thirsty terrorists who kill innocent Indians all over India. The People in Kashmir need to be protected from the dreaded terrorists who cross the border to kill people. These terrorists may appear anywhere and start firing and killing people and Kashmir is a big area and it is not for some stupids to comment that India is not supposed to protect its citizens from terrorists.

Bodies of peaceful citizens used by Indian troops as human shield

http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/7610/img002lxs0.jpg

These are the pieceful Bodies of terrorists from the LET and other terror organistaions.

Young painter shot dead by BSF & SOG men while painting wall in Habbakadal Srinagar

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3882/img002lmn4.jpg

Painter with Ak-47's

Remaining later

[indian_sukhoi]

dear , Admin ..if this is independent forum and here is freedom of speach then i think you will not delete my reply. thx_}

WHAT ! you are calling terrorist those who want freedom since 1947.
700000 indian army in kashmir . why ,.even US have 150000 army in iraq.
picture speak thousand words .civilian victims by indian army

Yhea right 70,000 thousand soldiers invaded Kashmir lol lol. What about those 2,00,000 thousands Pakistani Soldiers who invade BALOCHISTAN,Aghan Border, Wariszatan,Balawaristan and many more. Not to forget in Pakistan a person can rape a women in the name of Islam and escape from it and did u forgot what did your Country Dictator Musharaff said about that. "Musharraf said rape easy way to Canada"



Pakistan Military Killed thousands of BALOCHI and other people by using army Fighter Jets, Gunship Helicopters and heavy artillery. The state of Pakistan in itself is not a very legitimate organization. The fact that they have nuclear weapons does not augur well for the world's future. The Pakistan Army is anti-Baluch, anti-Sindhi and anti-Mohajir. They are also anti-US, anti-Israel, anti-India. They are a damn corrupt.The emergence of Pakistan on the map of the this world is a spot on the face of this civilized world. As long as Pakistan ia alive, there will be no peace persist in the south Asian region. Pakistan will continiue her illegitmate adventurism and nefarious design to destabilize the governments in the region. Pakistan will literally produce more fundamentalists in order to creat distrbances for India and Afghanistan as well. The Balochs are being sufferred since the unfortunate emergence of this illigitimate country and also the creation of this country became a curse for Afghanistan and India. I strongly believe that the extiniction of this useless country will be in the interest of the world in general and south asian region in particular.



From the day we gaved you independence and freedom you Paki people tried to destroy India from every manner but still we are better than you.


You Guys are Masters in KIlling innocent people.There were many Killings by PAK.This brings back memories of what Pakistan did in Bangladesh in 1971, though that was on a far larger scale. It is time to unravel the criminal state of Pakistan that can slaughter its own citizens enmasse.Pkaistan killed Millions of innocent Bangladeshi people in 1971 Liberation war.Pakistani soldiers had not only violated Bengali women on the spot; they abducted tens of hundreds and held them by force in their military barracks for nightly use. The women were kept naked to prevent their escape. In some camps, pornographic movies were shown to the soldiers.
The rapes were so systematic and pervasive that they had to be conscious army policy, "planned by the West Pakistanis in a deliberate effort to create a new race" or to dilute Bengali nationalism.
http://ghatok-dalal.tripod.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banglad...ech_of_7_March

These pictures are grim reminder of how Pakistani Army conducted their military operation in Bangladesh in 1945,1970 and 1971 massacre.I also want to point out how Pakistan bombed a temple to rubble, in which scores of unarmed Hindu women and children were blown to pieces. Shame on the cowards in the Pakistan army.

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/6...2191205px0.jpg
Cowards pakistanis

http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/2...1191205vw8.jpg



Not ot forgot Pakistan and Afghanistan are among the world's top 10 most vulnerable states, according to a new study.