The Crisis of Islam: Holy War and Unholy Terror (Bernard Lewis)

[cerulean]

http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Art...le.asp?ID=7116

Although this is a Washington Post article, it was reprinted at FrontPage. This is a review of Bernard Lewis' latest book. Lewis is a well-known scholar of Islamic civilizations. (Amazon URL: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...l/-/0679642811)


The Crisis of Islam: Holy War and Unholy Terror
By Peter Bergen
Washington Post | April 7, 2003

THE CRISIS OF ISLAM
Holy War and Unholy Terror By Bernard Lewis
Modern Library. 184 pp. $19.95 [$14 at Amazon.com]

It's not often that history affords one the opportunity to run a grand experiment, but with the present war in Iraq, Bush administration officials are planning to run what may be the greatest historical experiment since the rebuilding of Europe after World War II. That's because this war is not only about removing a nasty dictator who flouts U.N. resolutions and happens to be sitting on the second-largest oil reserves in the world; it is also about remaking the Middle East in our democratic image. At least that is the hope of the neoconservative thinkers who are the intellectual authors of Bush administration policy in the Middle East.

Exactly how this project will play out is anyone's guess. In the unlikely event that elections were held in Saudi Arabia tomorrow, they would likely install someone with views not dissimilar to Osama bin Laden's.

Whatever the long-term outcome of the war in Iraq, any reasonable observer of the Middle East would have to agree that the region has dire problems. Over the past two decades, the academic left in this country held it as a tenet of quasi-theological faith that Western discussions of Middle Eastern problems were inherently biased or flawed. Sept. 11 destroyed whatever currency that notion once had. Moreover, in some quarters of the Arab world today, there is refreshing evidence of self-examination about "what went wrong," best demonstrated by the release of the unglamorously named "Arab Human Development Report 2002." Written by Arab intellectuals, the report highlights the dearth of freedom, the lack of civil society, the widespread illiteracy and the dismal status of women in the Arab world. These social problems have economic consequences. It is not an accident that if you subtract oil revenues from the GDP of all the Persian Gulf countries, their total output is the same as . . . Finland's. . . .

To me, this quote is the scariest: "In the unlikely event that elections were held in Saudi Arabia tomorrow, they would likely install someone with views not dissimilar to Osama bin Laden's." But it is clear from all measures of public opinion in the Middle East that this statement is more or less true.

I do think that Bush's advisors are being more hopeful about regime change than I would be in the same position -- but I hope for the world's sake that they are right and I'm not.

[andak01]

To me, this quote is the scariest: "In the unlikely event that elections were held in Saudi Arabia tomorrow, they would likely install someone with views not dissimilar to Osama bin Laden's." But it is clear from all measures of public opinion in the Middle East that this statement is more or less true.

My question is, do our actions of the months since 9/11 increase such a scenario or decrease it? I think there is a very dangerous polarization going on that has only been accelerated by our invasions. For someone like Bin Laden who likes to sceam how the West is invading the Arab world, such a palpable invasion must provide him with a huge propaganda boost. How many of the foreign jihadis signing up today would have bothered two years ago? We can never know. Certainly there was no such element in the first Gulf War.

[Mediocrates]

Cowering from extremists is not the answer. So far our mere breathing will incite all the bin Ladens of the world. I say so be it.

The fact is, as Bernard Lewis put it so pithily, the arab states themselves aren't angry with us for being colonialists. They're angry with us for not fullfilling our colonialist responsibilities.

[elke]

Originally posted by andak01
My question is, do our actions of the months since 9/11 increase such a scenario or decrease it? I think there is a very dangerous polarization going on that has only been accelerated by our invasions. For someone like Bin Laden who likes to sceam how the West is invading the Arab world, such a palpable invasion must provide him with a huge propaganda boost. How many of the foreign jihadis signing up today would have bothered two years ago? We can never know. Certainly there was no such element in the first Gulf War.

But by the same token, if the Iraqis continue as they have recently began, to welcome the troops, wouldn't it make that argument specious at best, to many reasonable people who must be out there in the Arab/Muslim world? And, if/when the Coalition helps the Iraqis to build a successful democratic government that works, with a measure of prosperity for individual Iraqis, - wouldn't it be a major coup for the pro-democracy movements in other countries in the region? The stakes are very, very high, granted; but the potential rewards are incalculable!

[Simon]

Ah, more oinking.

When fault is to be assigned, blame the West. Blame Israel. Blame the hindu.

Never is it the muslims fault.

The polarization is NOT BECAUSE WHAT IS SPEWING OUT OF SAUDI, PAKISTANI, EGYPTIAN, IRANIAN, LIBYAN, and SYRIAN MADRASSAHS.

It is all the fault of the kufr, you see.

The kufr just dont understand the noble muslim believers.

As i said, just some more useless oinking from an oinker.

[Simon]

A prime example of Jehad and blood lust.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/apr/08guest.htm
A two-year-old baby is lying in his bed trying to sleep. His mother is telling him stories about his father, who is a soldier and has decided to give his life for his country. She is telling him how brave his father is and how proud he is of his service to the nation.

Suddenly, bullets start raining on the mother from all directions. Within seconds, she is lying dead next to her son. A dreaded terrorist appears at the door and takes a hard look at the crying baby. At the next moment, the terrorist empties his AK-47 into the baby. The baby lies silent in a pool of blood.

33 innocent people, including 11 women and 11 children, were gunned down by Islamic terrorists that day in Kaluchak, Jammu.

Let us fast forward to March 2003.

March 24, 2003 (Nadimarg, Kashmir)

Suraj, 4 and Malu, 5 are sleeping like little princes with their parents. Around midnight, 15 Islamic terrorists show up at their door and wake them up. They herd them to their neighbour's courtyard and in seconds shower them with bullets from automatic guns. The two princes are silenced forever along with their parents. Suraj had just celebrated his 4th birthday.

24 innocent people, including 11 women and 2 children, were gunned down by Islamic terrorists that day in Nadimarg, Kashmir.

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Now what do you think any survivors or relative of those so brutally massacred are going to think of muslims in general?

Are they going to grow up and "love muslims or islam"?

No, they who knew no hate and going to hate all of islam with the same ferocity that I do.

This infernal jehad has spread such hatred for the muslims amongst the hindus, sikhs, buddhists, and jains of india that the muslims of the coming generation are going to reap that hatred. The islamic world remains silent when these innocent hindus are slaughtered. I hope they and the disgusting andaks of the world maintain their silence when the reverse happens.

[cerulean]

Originally posted by andak01
My question is, do our actions of the months since 9/11 increase such a scenario or decrease it? I think there is a very dangerous polarization going on that has only been accelerated by our invasions. For someone like Bin Laden who likes to sceam how the West is invading the Arab world, such a palpable invasion must provide him with a huge propaganda boost. How many of the foreign jihadis signing up today would have bothered two years ago? We can never know. Certainly there was no such element in the first Gulf War.

I more or less agree with Mediocrates' response above.

If someone is inspired to join bin Laden by the US liberating Iraq, there is probably little hope for them. If they were already inspired by bin Laden (like 10% or so of Muslims worldwide), they are irrational. If they are exultant at 9/11 (like numerous ones were and are), why should I try to open a dialogue?

I do feel regretful that so many have been programmed from a very young age in a warped and hateful ideology such that bin Laden seems like a hero to them. The Wahabi madrassas have a lot to answer for. Given the unfortunate success of fundamentalists and Arab nationalists in brainwashing children and young people and older people, I would like to see at least an equal and opposite effort to "un-brainwash" by moderate Muslims.

But it would be silly to expect the US (or any other country) to try to appease itself fearfully to an army of brainwashed people.

[Simon]

like 10% or so of Muslims worldwide

I beg to differ. The 10% number is the politically correct number being bandied about.

Let us look at a glance, starting with the most populous countries

India - 100 million
The muslims are about 80% jehadized out of 140 million. Strong support for OBL among indias muslims although the presence of an increasingly nationalistic hindu population prevents open flaunting of such sympathies. The remaining 40 million indian muslims constitute the world's second largest fraction of "moderate muslims" after Turkey. Moderately anti-semitic muslim population. Thats only because they are busier hating hindus first.

Indonesia - 108 million
A fairly jehadi country. Although not to the extent of say the Sauds

Pakistan - 140 million
Completely jehadized, entire population is OBL loving. Virulently anti-hindi and anti-semitic

Bangladesh - 120 million
Almost completely jehadized, 90% population is OBL loving. Virulently anti-hindu. Not sure if anti-semitic as well

Nigeria - 55 million
Extremely violent muslim population. Country is roughly half muslim. Generally hate non-muslims

Egypt - 67 million
Entire population is jehad- and OBL loving. Probably rabidly anti-semitic as well

Turkey - 3 million
Least rabidized muslim country. I am estimating the jehadis at no more than 5%

Iran - 65 million.
Constitutes entire popn. No explanation needed or offerred.

Sudan- 34 million
Constitutes entire popn. No explanation needed or offerred.

Algeria - 8 million
Roughly 25%

Morocco - No idea

Afghanistan - 5 million
Approximately that fraction of the popn that is Talibanic

Uzbekistan - No idea

Saudi Arabia - 22 million
Constitutes entire popn. No explanation needed or offerred.

Malaysia - 5 million
After Turkey, a more moderate country. OBL loving about 25%, conservatively

Syria - 17 million
Constitutes entire popn. No explanation needed or offerred.

Yemen - 17 million
Constitutes entire popn. No explanation needed or offerred.

Kazakhstan - No idea

Azerbaijan - No idea

Somalia - 2 million
About 25 %. Too poor to be really a threat to the non-muslim world

Tajikistan - No idea

Israel - ?
The arab residents of Israel. I will let the Jewish members here decide

Libya - 5 million
Constitutes entire popn. No explanation needed or offerred.

Jordan - 5 million
Virtually the entire popn of Jordan is derived from Palestinians

Turkmenistan - No idea

Oman/UAE/Kuwait/Qatar - 1 million
More interested in maintaining money.

Gaza Strip - 2 million
Constitutes entire popn. No explanation needed or offerred.

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This adds up to 731 million. Add about 19 million for those living in European countries, the US, Australia etc and the "no ideas."

That totals to 750 million or approximately 75% of the world islamic population.

So a truer number of muslims world wide who maintain a jehadi mindset, think nothing wrong with killing the kufr, hate jews, hindus, christians, buddhists, sikhs etc, are 750 million muslims worldwide or approximately 75% of the world muslim population. And this will grow to close to 100% within a few decades,

[Simon]

Here's an article from a long time ago. I do not remember its source. Probably written by a Sikh Indian. It is really long and i am splitting it into 3 parts.

It makes for very interesting reading. Please do take the time.

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"Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against
persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the
civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of
political or social objectives."

The religion of Islam fulfills each and every criteria of the above-
mentioned definition of terrorism. The following irrefutable facts
and deductive logic will amply demonstrate this statement. Ever
since Islam was founded it has left behind a legacy of violent
atrocities and horrible crimes. The holy book of the Muslims, the
Koran, contains specific instructions on how to loot, pillage,
plunder, rape, torture and murder in order to further the interests
of Islam . It can clearly be called a specific instruction manual of
terrorism.

The holy Koran is full of very unholy and terrorist ambitions, it is
obviously not from God, as the Muslims would have us believe. Any
sane individual can see that it is a journal and collection of a
terrorist's criminal activities and ideas. This terrorist's name is
Mohammed (popularly known as the prophet of Islam). During his
lifetime, Mohammed organized at least 86 expeditions against people
who either refused to follow his teachings or simply came in the way
of his power crazed ambitions. He led the life of a serial killer,
terrorist and rapist, who perpetrated genocide throughout Arabia.
Along with the pagan Arabs, many Jews and Christians were victims of
this mindless terrorist.

Mohammed was a man who destroyed peace wherever he went, and in
its place brought terror, carnage and death. And he did all this in
the name of God! Mohammed has clearly stated in the Koran that God
has instructed him and all pious Muslims to loot, pillage, plunder,
rape, torture and murder innocent human beings, in order to further
the interests of Islam.

I have stated below just a few of the verses from the Koran, which
support this fact. As the Koran is supposed to be timeless and
universal, the verses in it hold true even today and are used
everyday by pious Muslims to justify their brutal and terrorist
activities.

It is a well-known fact today that Pakistan is an Islamic terrorist
state. The mastermind of the World Trade Center bombing hailed from
Pakistan. The Islamic terrorists in Kashmir are trained and supplied
by Pakistan. There is even proof that Pakistan is supporting and
helping the Taliban-the barbaric Islamic organization of Afghanistan.

Many other countries such as Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, Syria,
Indonesia, Israel, Libya, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Mauritania,
Cyprus, Bosnia-Herzegovina, etc. can be added to the above list.

As we can clearly see Muslims are actively committing acts of
terrorism in many other parts of the world and justifying it by
pointing towards the Koran. Even the West is not untouched anymore.
The fact that countries such as the U.K, U.S.A and France have
already experienced Islamic terrorism first hand is a testament to
this. It remains to be seen whether countries such as these will
learn from the past and recognize Islam for what it is-a religious
sanction to legalize barbaric and horrific crimes! I urge each and
everyone to read the Koran, the terrorist's instruction manual, for
their own personal safety. It is necessary to know what you are up
against before you can begin to defend yourself.

Islam is nothing but an excuse to legalize terrorist
activities and other such crimes. In order to realize this, one must
first understand that Islam itself was founded for the sole purpose
of terrorizing, subjugating, massacring and torturing non-Muslims in
the name of Allah. Mohammed, the founder of Islam composed the entire
Koran in order to justify his terrorist activities and crimes by
false Divine injunctions.

1. (Koran 8:12) "Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the
message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will
instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above
their necks and smite all their finger tips of them."

In the above verse the great prophet of Islam, Mohammed, is giving
step by step instructions on how to torture and kill the unbelievers
if they don't follow Islam. He is clearly instructing Muslims to
commit cold-blooded murder in the name of religion.

2. (Koran 2:216) "Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful
unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for
you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you.
Allah knoweth, you knew not."

The above verse was stated by Mohammed after his first terrorist
attack. He and his followers mercilessly massacred four innocent and
unarmed merchants at Nakhla in 623 AD. The massacre came in January,
the sacred month of Rejeb. Arabs regard this month as a sacred month,
when warfare and violence is forbidden. Since this barbaric criminal
act was led and sanctioned by the "great" prophet Mohammed, we can
conclude that Islam's sacred activities include loot and cold-blooded
murder of innocent individuals. The very beginnings of Islam are
stained with the blood of innocents.

By stating the above verse, Mohammed completely absolved
himself from all blame for having murdered innocents. The most
insidious and devilish implication of this verse is that God is
completely justifying Mohammed's murder of the innocent Meccans. The
import of this verse is that killing and violence are JUSTIFIED for
Muslims, because they are doing it by divine ordinance! It is a
religious duty of every Muslim to murder anyone who comes in the way
of Islam. Since it is also the duty of every Muslim to ensure that
the entire world is converted to Islam by force if necessary, one
must directly conclude that it is the religious duty of Muslims to
kill all those who are non-Muslim.

This conclusion is derived directly from the supreme edict of
Allah, who admonishes that even the Muslim who feels it is wrong to
kill, must murder in the name of Allah, otherwise he is not a true
Muslim. Over and above this, Mohammed is hypocritically implying that
warfare is hateful to him, but he participated in it because God
ordained it.

3. (Koran 69:30-37) "It is not for any Prophet to have captives until
he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world
and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise..
Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to
Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful."

This verse is in reference to the prisoners that Mohammed held
for ransom after the battle of Badr. This battle occurred on March
17, 623 AD. This is the month of Ramadan-another sacred month for the
Muslims! In this battle, Mohammed and his followers killed at least
70 innocent merchants from the Quraysh tribe of Mecca and slaughtered
several hundred soldiers who came forward to defend them.

Here God the "Merciful" is saying that all the non-believers
deserve to be killed! In addition, God is conveniently commenting
that whatever loot Mohammed has plundered is "lawful and good"
because it was done in service to God. So murder, rape, plunder and
destruction are all perfectly legal with the Muslim God as long as
they are done in the name of Islam! Mohammed is also insidiously
making himself seem very kind for having spared the lives of the
prisoners, when in fact he only let them live so he could ransom
their lives for more money. In today's world this is called "taking
hostages" and defines "Terrorism" of the worst kind.

4. (Koran 69:30-37) "(It will be said) Take him and fetter him and
expose him to hell fire. And then insert him in a chain whereof the
length is seventy cubits. Lo! he used not to believe in God the
tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Therefore
hath he no lover hear this day nor any food save filth which none but
sinners eat."

The above verses from the Koran prove that Muslims are
specifically instructed not to tolerate unbelievers. It directly
states that people who do not believe in Mohammed and the Islamic God
are to be tortured and murdered.. Not only does this verse clearly
implicate that unbelievers must be tortured and killed, it goes on
further to state prescribed methods for committing torture. The
horrific acts mentioned above are in practice even today in Islamic
countries.

In fact, in India, Muslims tortured the Sikh Gurus and their
families exactly as prescribed by the Koran. For example, the Sikh
guru Tegh Bahadur was imprisoned in a cage like a wild animal, when
he refused to forsake his religion for Islam. Three of his disciples
were murdered in front of his eyes. One of them was Bhai Mati Das.
He was sawed alive into little pieces. The other was wrapped up in
cotton and burnt alive. Bhai Dyala, the third one, was boiled alive
in a cauldron. Guru Tegh Bahadur himself was brutally tortured and
killed in a similar fashion. One wonders at the mercy of "The all
beneficent Allah" who enjoys watching the roasted burnt flesh of
hapless innocents falling off their bones.

5. (Koran 5: 33-34) "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah
and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be
that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet
and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land.
Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter
theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye
overpower them. For know that Allah is forgiving, merciful."

[Simon]

6. (Koran 22: 19-22) "These twain (the believers and the
disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning their Lord.
But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out
for them, boiling fluid will be poured down their heads. Whereby
that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted;
And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish,
they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it
is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning."

7. (Koran 76: 4) "Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers chains, yokes
and a blazing fire."

The above verses clearly state extreme terrorist activities, as
they contain nothing but detailed recipes of horrific torture.
Cutting off the hands and feet of individuals and then making them
walk and jump, pouring boiling waters over their victims, making
them drink it, burning them alive, inserting hot iron rods into
their bodies, dismemberment and disembowelment, genital mutilation
etc. are common Islamic practices.

I have mentioned only a few of the verses from the Koran to
show that Islam is nothing but an excuse to legalize terrorism,
genocide, massacre and other criminal activities. Many other verses
that demonstrate these specific qualities, are to be found throughout
the Koran . As Muslims worldwide regard the Koran to be the ultimate
holy book, it is followed to the word. Their daily lives are guided
specifically by such passages from the Koran .

Moreover, the terrorist, lecherous and criminal activities
described in the Koran are considered to be the sacred words of God.
Is it any wonder that mindless Muslims all over the world, justify
their criminal activities of destruction, loot, torture, rape and
murder by pointing to the Koran? They actually consider their acts to
be holy and believe that for committing such holy acts they will go
to
paradise-a paradise where they will have plenty of wine, women and
young boys for their sexual pleasure. (How Mohammed uses bribery in
the Koran to attract mindless human beings is above the scope of this
article and will be described in later ones).

Today, many followers of Islam such as Saddam Hussein, Idi
Amin, Momar Gaddafi, Louis Farrakhan, Dawood Ibrahim, Abu Nidal, etc.
are famed for the brutality of their crimes and terrorism. The entire
world is marred by violence and murder, wherever Muslims reside. The
entire world is suffering due to the barbaric activities of Islamic
terrorists. Pick up a newspaper today and you will note that 98% of
terrorist activities that occur involve Muslims. I have named a few
of the countries below as examples:

(1) India - Muslims have been terrorizing this country since the 7th
century AD. Muslim regimes throughout India have a record of
unparalleled terror and torture described in gory detail by
contemporary Muslim chronicles themselves. Subjecting all non-Muslims
to abject atrocities, plundering their wealth, abducting their women
and usurping their houses of worship to be used as mosques and tombs,
has been considered sacred duty of every Muslim. Such acts earned for
the tormentors the coveted title of Ghazi, to be paraded as a
citation of great Islamic glory and greatness. Aurangzeb, one of the
last Muslim emperors had 10,000 Hindus massacred everyday for an
entire year. He alone was responsible for the massacre of at least
3,650,000 Hindus and destruction of more than 11,000 Hindu temples.
William Durant, author of the voluminous "Story of Civilization" has
described the Muslim conquests in India as constituting the saddest
and goriest chapter in human history. Muslims have destroyed and
looted the whole country and have killed countless innocent Hindus
in the process.

The Muslims forced the violent partition of India into three parts in
1947 (India, West Pakistan and East Pakistan). Even today, they
terrorize the innocent people of India by causing bomb blasts and
killing innocent individuals. Currently, the followers of Islam are
concentrating their efforts in Kashmir, a northern state in India.
Kashmir has been the land of the Hindus since ancient times. The word
Kashmir itself is derived from Rishi Kashyap-a great spiritual leader
of Hinduism. The Muslims have destroyed this beautiful land
completely. Today the Pakistan-sponsored Muslim terrorists continue
to kill, torture and rape the innocent Hindus of Kashmir. To cite the
most recent incidents: In a cold-blooded massacre on the night of
January 25th 1998, 23 Kashmiri Hindus, including 10 women and four
children, were gunned down by a group of Islamic terrorists from
Pakistan in Wandhama, 27 km from Srinagar. On April 19th Islamic
terrorists belonging to the Pakistani Lashkar-e-Tobia terrorist
organization claimed responsibility for gunning down at least 13
Kashmiri Hindus in Prankot village near Mahore in Udhampur district.
The victims included four women and two children. Pakistan's aim is
to separate Kashmir from India and declare it as an Islamic state. I
will provide you with more information on Islamic terrorism in India
and Kashmir in a separate article.

(2) The Assyrian Nation - The horrible crimes committed by Islamic
terrorists against the Assyrian nation is a well documented fact.
Between 1980 and 1988 the Iraqi regime exiled thousands of Iraqi
citizens to Iran on the charges that they were of Persian ancestry.
Many Assyrians were targeted in this illegal and barbarous act.
During
this bloody war, it is estimated that up to 10,000 Assyrian men from
Iraq were killed. The most disturbing aspect of this tragedy is that
many of these Assyrians were killed in cold blood by their own Arab
countrymen, just for being Assyrians. On December 13th 1997, a group
of militants belonging to the Kurdish Labour Party (PKK),
treacherously attacked six Assyrians through an ambush laid for them
in the district of Mangeesh-Duhok, Northern Iraq. Two of them were
killed immediately and the others were wounded, then the armed group
charged over them and cold-bloodedly killed the wounded.

Ever since the invasion of their homelands by barbaric
Muslims, the Assyrians have been fighting for their rights. The
persecution of Assyrian Christians by the Islamic terrorists has
brought them to the brink of extinction!

(3) Bangladesh - Bangladesh was a part of India before the Muslim
terrorists led by Mohammed Ali Jinnah separated it from India in
1947. It was then called East Pakistan. Jinnah lied to the thirteen
million Hindus, Buddhists and Christians in East Pakistan and told
them that they would not be persecuted against. He promised that
they would be given full freedom under the Islamic rule. However,
these religious minorities-especially the Hindus and the Buddhists
have been tortured, raped and murdered by the pious Muslims ever
since 1947. Over 2.5 million Hindus alone were slaughtered during
the Pakistan-Bangladesh war in 1971. The types of crimes committed
were perfectly in accordance with the Koran. Robert E. Burns, the
author of Wrath of Allah states, "The mutilation was disgusting-eyes
gouged out, pregnant women disemboweled, male genitals cut off,
women's breasts cut off..."

The persecution of "unbelievers" in the name of Allah , continues
even today in Bangladesh under the Islamic rule. For example, Taslima
Nasreen, the author of Lajja was given a death sentence for just
stating the facts and speaking against the inhumane, cruel and
barbaric nature of Islam.

(4) Egypt - Egypt has been terrorized by Muslims since the time of
Umar II (8th Century AD.). With Umar's raid on Egypt began the
destruction of Egypt's Christians. Their Churches were destroyed and
Umar imposed Jizya-a special tax that was invented by Mohammed,
where all the "non-believers" had to pay or face death. They lost
ownership of all their land and had to pay a special land tax,
kharaj, simply in order to use it . They were ridiculed, made to
wear discriminatory clothing and were made to ride on donkeys.
Anyone not complying with the wishes of the Islamic terrorists was
tortured to death in absolute accordance with the Koran. The ongoing
Islamic terrorist attacks on innocent people in Egypt even today
prove that Islamic terrorism is alive and kicking in this country as
well. In this country the tourists are special targets of the Muslim
terrorists. Just last year in Cairo, the pious followers of Mohammed
murdered an entire bus load of German tourists. In another incident,
Muslim fundamentalists killed more than 40 tourists near the
Pyramids.

The terrorists continue to commit these horrible crimes to
achieve their goal of declaration of Egypt as an Islamic state. An
Islamic state is desired by these terrorists, so that they will be
able to commit more such crimes freely. As per the Koran, they will
go to the typical Islamic Paradise for committing these "holy" acts!
Apparently, the most important condition by far, for
entering "Jannat" (Islamic Heaven) is that you must have the blood
of innocents, stained
on your hands!

[Simon]

(5) Algeria - Algeria has been under Islamic terrorist attack for
quite some time now. Accurate casualty figures are difficult to
acquire, but as many as 50,000 Algerians (militants, security
personnel, and civilians) have died as a result of the nearly
four-year-old insurgency. Even the U.S. embassy's warehouse was the
target of Islamic terrorists. They set fire to the warehouse and
threatened to kill the security guard just because he was working for
the United States. The Islamic terrorist organization which carries
out most of these attacks is called GIA (Algerian Armed Islamic
Group). The GIA was responsible for the deaths of 31 foreigners in
Algeria in 1995, compared to at least 64 in 1994. Most of the
foreigners killed were "soft targets," such as teachers and nuns.
Cowardly Islamic terrorists, conform to this pattern of targeting the
most vulnerable and helpless segment of the population, in imitation
of Prophet Mohammed's life. From July to October, a terrorist bombing
campaign in France began against civilian targets, killing eight
persons and wounding 160. And such attacks continue on even today in
Algeria.

(6) Pakistan - Like East Pakistan (Bangladesh), Pakistan was also
founded by the terrorist leader, Mohammed Ali Jinnah. Ever since its
foundation, Pakistan has sponsored terrorism and Islamic terrorist
groups all over the world. Pakistan's main focus of terrorist
activity has always been India. This nation is obsessed with the
downfall of India and will do anything to accomplish this goal. It
has gone to war with India three times in the past and failed
miserably all three times. Pakistan continues to support Islamic
terrorist organizations such as Harakat ul-Ansar (HUA) and Al-Faran.
Al-Faran is the group that claimed responsibility for the kidnapping
in Kashmir of two US citizens, two Britons, a German, and a
Norwegian. Other Pakistan backed groups have claimed responsibility
for numerous bombings in Kashmir, including one against foreign
journalists.

It is a well-known fact today that Pakistan is an Islamic terrorist
state. The mastermind of the World Trade Center bombing hailed from
Pakistan. The Islamic terrorists in Kashmir are trained and supplied
by Pakistan. There is even proof that Pakistan is supporting and
helping the Taliban-the barbaric Islamic organization of Afghanistan.

Many other countries such as Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, Syria,
Indonesia, Israel, Libya, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Mauritania,
Cyprus, Bosnia-Herzegovina, etc. can be added to the above list.

As we can clearly see Muslims are actively committing acts of
terrorism in many other parts of the world and justifying it by
pointing towards the Koran. Even the West is not untouched anymore.
The fact that countries such as the U.K, U.S.A and France have
already experienced Islamic terrorism first hand is a testament to
this. It remains to be seen whether countries such as these will
learn from the past and recognize Islam for what it is-a religious
sanction to legalize barbaric and horrific crimes! I urge each and
everyone to read the Koran, the terrorist's instruction manual, for
their own personal safety. It is necessary to know what you are up
against before you can begin to defend yourself.

Islam is nothing but an excuse to legalize terrorist
activities and other such crimes. In order to realize this, one must
first understand that Islam itself was founded for the sole purpose
of terrorizing, subjugating, massacring and torturing non-Muslims in
the name of Allah. Mohammed, the founder of Islam composed the entire
Koran in order to justify his terrorist activities and crimes by
false Divine injunctions.

[reason]

Originally posted by Simon
I beg to differ. The 10% number is the politically correct number being bandied about.

Let us look at a glance, starting with the most populous countries

India - 100 million
The muslims are about 80% jehadized out of 140 million. Strong support for OBL among indias muslims although the presence of an increasingly nationalistic hindu population prevents open flaunting of such sympathies. The remaining 40 million indian muslims constitute the world's second largest fraction of "moderate muslims" after Turkey. Moderately anti-semitic muslim population. Thats only because they are busier hating hindus first.

Indonesia - 108 million
A fairly jehadi country. Although not to the extent of say the Sauds

Pakistan - 140 million
Completely jehadized, entire population is OBL loving. Virulently anti-hindi and anti-semitic

Bangladesh - 120 million
Almost completely jehadized, 90% population is OBL loving. Virulently anti-hindu. Not sure if anti-semitic as well

Nigeria - 55 million
Extremely violent muslim population. Country is roughly half muslim. Generally hate non-muslims

Egypt - 67 million
Entire population is jehad- and OBL loving. Probably rabidly anti-semitic as well

Turkey - 3 million
Least rabidized muslim country. I am estimating the jehadis at no more than 5%

Iran - 65 million.
Constitutes entire popn. No explanation needed or offerred.

Sudan- 34 million
Constitutes entire popn. No explanation needed or offerred.

Algeria - 8 million
Roughly 25%

Morocco - No idea

Afghanistan - 5 million
Approximately that fraction of the popn that is Talibanic

Uzbekistan - No idea

Saudi Arabia - 22 million
Constitutes entire popn. No explanation needed or offerred.

Malaysia - 5 million
After Turkey, a more moderate country. OBL loving about 25%, conservatively

Syria - 17 million
Constitutes entire popn. No explanation needed or offerred.

Yemen - 17 million
Constitutes entire popn. No explanation needed or offerred.

Kazakhstan - No idea

Azerbaijan - No idea

Somalia - 2 million
About 25 %. Too poor to be really a threat to the non-muslim world

Tajikistan - No idea

Israel - ?
The arab residents of Israel. I will let the Jewish members here decide

Libya - 5 million
Constitutes entire popn. No explanation needed or offerred.

Jordan - 5 million
Virtually the entire popn of Jordan is derived from Palestinians

Turkmenistan - No idea

Oman/UAE/Kuwait/Qatar - 1 million
More interested in maintaining money.

Gaza Strip - 2 million
Constitutes entire popn. No explanation needed or offerred.

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This adds up to 731 million. Add about 19 million for those living in European countries, the US, Australia etc and the "no ideas."

That totals to 750 million or approximately 75% of the world islamic population.

So a truer number of muslims world wide who maintain a jehadi mindset, think nothing wrong with killing the kufr, hate jews, hindus, christians, buddhists, sikhs etc, are 750 million muslims worldwide or approximately 75% of the world muslim population. And this will grow to close to 100% within a few decades,

Ahhhh we have a genius in our midst. Provide sources or the hamburger gets it. We are not interested in your intuition, and tell Miss Cleo to shut the hell up.

[Simon]

Ahhhh we have a genius in our midst. Provide sources or the hamburger gets it. We are not interested in your intuition, and tell Miss Cleo to shut the hell up.

As usual, you make no sense and in complete contrast to your signature, come off sounding like a monumental, whopping moron.


Not sure what you've got against hamburgers. Perhaps you've been eating too many and the mad cow disease may have claimed a victim here.

So kindly bugger off.



To the rest:

There exists a difference between intuition and an educated guess. The population figures come from the 1998 census.

And it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the populations of countries like Saudia, Pakistan, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Iran, Bangladesh are real Osama-loving.

The 10% figure being bandied about is bollocks. What I did was to provide the upper estimate with the "true value" lying somewhere in between.

[andak01]

8:61
But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).



Let's see how you do on round 2 of the quoting? This time at least you have confined yourself to 114 Surahs.


(Koran 8:12) "Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the
message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will
instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above
their necks and smite all their finger tips of them."

I have to include your comments for laughs.

(Simon's comment) In the above verse the great prophet of Islam, Mohammed, is giving step by step instructions on how to torture and kill the unbelievers if they don't follow Islam. He is clearly instructing Muslims to commit cold-blooded murder in the name of religion.

The Prophet Muhammad (SAW) didn't write the Qur'an, it was revealed. And even if you think that he did, the verse above is not written in his voice. So saying it is him giving instructions is wrong even in your version of reality.

The verse is historic, referring to what was told to the Muslims fighting the battle of Uhud. But even if it wasn't, it clearly refers to a battle against people who are already attacking.

8:13
This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah [not disbelieve, contend against...fight] and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment.

8:15
O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them.

Below is the central theme of the verse, a ruling regarding the dispersal of spoils to the needy and the wayfarer (regardless of religion). Soldiers in those days took all of the booty, but here they are forbidden to do so.

8:41
And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah,- and to the Messenger, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer,- if ye do believe in Allah and in the revelation We sent down to Our servant on the Day of Testing,- the Day of the meeting of the two forces. For Allah hath power over all things.


For a look at how far Westerners have progressed from the cutting of fingertips, click here.

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[andak01]

(Koran 2:216) "Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you knew not."

The above verse was stated by Mohammed after his first terrorist attack. He and his followers mercilessly massacred four innocent and unarmed merchants at Nakhla in 623 AD.

What is your source for the above? The Muslims of Medina were at war with the Qaraishis at this point. But the numbers don't jive in the account I have. And the account I do have is by a British orientalist stationed in India fond of the Vedic scriptures. He is given the appelation of 'profound Arabic scholar'. I would like to read more about him and particularly what his sources were.

http://answering-islam.org.uk/Books/Muir/Life3/
(William Muir)
Wackid, one of their number, advanced; and discharging an arrow, killed a man of the convoy, Amr ibn al Hadhrami, on the spot. All then rushed upon the caravan, and securing two of the Coreish, Othman and Al Hakam, led them off prisoners, with the spoil, to Medina. Nowfal, the brother of Othman, leaped on his horse and escaped to Mecca; but too late to give the alarm for a pursuit.

...

The Prophet, who had probably not expected the party to reach Nakhla till after the close of Rajab, appeared displeased, and said:-"I never commanded thee to fight in the sacred month." So he put the booty aside, pending further orders, and kept the prisoners in bonds. Abdallah and his comrades were ashamed and grieved; the people also reproached them with what they had done.

One of the prisoners in this account converted to Islam. The other was returned to the Meccans.

http://27.1911encyclopedia.org/M/MU/...IR_WILLIAM.htm