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[yehudi]

Ok, let me try to explain myself about how the mysterious Yehudi appeared on this forum.



When the debate about invading iraq become hotter and hotter I tried to find a place where I could talk with Americans.

My first idea was to get to speak with "ordinary americans", but I couldn't find a proper forum. So one day I came across Israel Forum. I could not understand who did run this forum, it seemed pretty extremist though. Endless graphic description of terrorism and of course nada on Palestinians suffering too.

Browsing the forums there seemed to be many things for me to learn, though.

So after a day or two I registered. I first tried "robert" or "rob" but that was taken already, so I tried hello_rob_, which got through. I went through registration and just indicated I was French.

I got the "Action Required to Activate Membership" mail on feb the 10th. But when I wanted to post, there was this message saying further validation was needed before your are allowed to post.

So I read and read and waited one week. After the first week I was wondering why it took so long being allowed in. So I mailed the support support staff.

I waited days and days no answer. Well.

But I came coming back and again and each time I said to myself "I cannot let this stupid thing get through" and I hit the reply button. And each time I got this reject message.

Then I started going into the forum mailing moderator directly.
No answer.
After a while I even tried mailing takeo.
No answer.

All the while I came coming and situation around Iraq was growing hotter and hotter. I started getting more and more frustrated. I tried registering under another name, but I had only one mail address so I got rejected again.


I became seriously frustrated. The good thing is I learned plenty of things on the forem all the while, following the links, reading and all.

On a sunday I said to myself "I cannot allow this to last anymore", and consequently "let's apply decisive force" (you know who the quote is from don't you?).
So I created a new mail address. Moreover, I decided not to reveal I am french (I guess you can understand why reading the forum). Finally, I decided to look as jewish as possible.

So here I am in front of my screen trying to find a jewish name. Basically my Hebrew stops at "mazel tov" and it didn't look like a proper nickname. So I brainstormed trying to find something representing peace and jewish. So I though about music and the old wise man I saw playing by the collapsed Berlin wall in '89: Yehudi Menuhin . I knew he used to be a promoter of peace.

So I typed in Yehudi as my nickname. I still typed in my location, but city only, not France.

And guess what... a couple of hours later only I got a mail saying "welcome you are allowed to post".


Think what you will, but after that I was prudent revealing my being french for a while, for fear of being kinda sacked.


Now it turns out yehudi means "jewish" ('Judéen' in french wich is slightly different). And some of you are pretty touchy about it.

So should I keep this nickname?


First I am sorry if I offend any of you, but



1/ I am an antiracist. If I am making a fool of anyone who tries to have a preconceptions on someone on his name. I am delighted by the trick.

2/ Part of my family is jew. Brother in law, Sister in law (convert), and the whole family behind. Moderate, clever people. The girl living in my house worked in a kibbutz etc… so I am not completely alien to jews or israelis.

3/ His words from www.menuhin-foundation.com
"Each human being has the eternal duty of transforming what is hard and brutal into a subtle and tender offering, what is rude into refinement, what is ugly into beauty, ignorance into knowledge, confrontation into collaboration, thereby rediscovering the child's dream of a creative reality incessantly renewed by death, the servant of life, and by life the servant of love".
Yehudi Menuhin is a model for me. I want to remind the fanatics and the disheartened people that you can be a jew *and* wise *and* an advocate of peace.

4/ Just utter "yehudi" it once or twice. Sounds wonderful. It's just a beautiful name.


No way I abandon it. Take it over my dead body if you will. Or get the "I-do-not-bother-answering-your-mail" forum controllers rip it from me.


(thread title from the poem here).

[sharonbn]

yehudi,

Your story of your registering "adventures" sheds new light on your persistence in questioning the forces behind this forum.
Of course it also explains your name (which personally I had no problem with it to begin with). Needless to say you can keep the nick (even though your not one ). Yehudi Menuhin was a great musician and human being. Yehudi is a nice name indeed.

I was unaware of the troubles you had registering and am truly sorry for that.
I am not aware of ANY screening process that occurs for new registrations. Certainly not one that involves filtering out French people.

Just one remark: I don’t think you need to search that far to find a Jew that’s wise and peace loving. I personally believe most Jews are like that, and I hope during your stay here at the forum you also met a few...

[yehudi]

Originally posted by sharonbn
I was unaware of the troubles you had registering and am truly sorry for that.
I am not aware of ANY screening process that occurs for new registrations. Certainly not one that involves filtering out French people.

I wonder somewhat about it. Though it does not obsess me. I find myself quite confortable with the people here now (save for personal insults or repeated ungrounded attacks on France).

For a while I though about doing something well call "testing" in France: registering with a series of names/countries to check wether any filtering is done. But I just didn't bother after all.


I am not completely satisfied with the "transparency" problem. It's become beareable now though.
And transparency would not solve the problem of the continuous anti-french/pro-clash of civilizations bias Newsguy is exhibiting anyway.
I guess all I can do is keep on protesting, but there is a bias really. Everything friendly Europe (or indeed moslem countries) do is shunned.
Maybe I'm wrong, I should browse in past homepages news and sort out pro-war / pro-peace news.


Another thing which surprises me. I have posted two nice anti-war threads yesterday and I do not find them anymore. Were they deleted?

Originally posted by sharonbn
Just one remark: I don’t think you need to search that far to find a Jew that’s wise and peace loving. I personally believe most Jews are like that, and I hope during your stay here at the forum you also met a few...

I took me around three seconds to find yehudi, actually.


(if there's any technician around there: AFAIK, my original Nickname is still blocked. Realeasing it would free my mail address and that would be a nice move from you to do so)..

[NewsGuy]

Just, btw - Normally the registration process does not involve such adventures. But we do have a mechanism in place for a human to approve or disapprove anyone's application for membership before they are permitted to post. Membership here is not automatic -- and for good reason.

The process described by our friend, the non-yehudi yehudi, is suspicious. I can bet that he entered something that had him rejected initially. Maybe an incorrect email address, maybe other member names that were already in use, as he describes, or maybe something else.

[yehudi]

Originally posted by NewsGuy
The process described by our friend, the non-yehudi yehudi, is suspicious. I can bet that he entered something that had him rejected initially. Maybe an incorrect email address, maybe other member names that were already in use, as he describes, or maybe something else.

Thanks for calling me friend, though I have some undeserved doubts over you sincerity.


Anyway NewsGuy, since we are friends now I can trust you on a question: I lost something, a thread I posted on monday
http://www.israelforum.com/board/sho...&threadid=2788
Thread name was "The chick that was in the way"

Did you happen to come across it? Just by chance I mean

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[takeo]

indeed your name means Jew in Arab as someone in here already aknowledged, not something "a real Jew" would likely do, except perhaps to provoke .

it is true that some people and positions taken in here are so radical that one feels the urge to voice his opposition to this, as radical as possible.
I think you don't need to be a Jew to talk about Israel or the war in iraq, so really no need to disguise yourself as a Jew.

some people in here have a totally twisted image of France, but it is more rethoric than real, according to me, they just can't accept that the us doesn't rule the world and that anyone might disagree with israel's policy.
They won't continue their boycott of French wines for a very long time I'm afraid, some of them are just too "blasé" to drink cheaper Spanish or Italian wines, and of course Californian wines all have French names, so difficult to drink those as well while boycotting French wines...

[Am Yisrael]

Originally posted by takeo
They won't continue their boycott of French wines for a very long time I'm afraid, some of them are just too "blasé" to drink cheaper Spanish or Italian wines, and of course Californian wines all have French names, so difficult to drink those as well while boycotting French wines... [/B]

Are you acknowledging that Frances only real attribute to the world is wine? Dont worry.. us British will keep their alchohol levels up if they start feeling sober. Our alchohol might not be fruity or snobby like yours.. but at least one can drink with the satisfaction of not emptying our pockets of a weeks salary to a bottle that has been processed using French feet.

[yehudi]

Originally posted by Am Yisrael
Are you acknowledging that Frances only real attribute to the world is wine?

no there are also cheese and human rights and some other too. What would be the main US attribute anyway?

The statue of Liberty?

Originally posted by Am Yisrael but at least one can drink with the satisfaction of not emptying our pockets of a weeks salary to a bottle that has been processed using French feet.

"Armpit crushing" gives very good results too, but too lengthy a process I'm afraid
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[Am Yisrael]

Originally posted by yehudi
[B]no there are also cheese and human rights and some other too. What would be the main US attribute anyway?

well... McDonalds, the M16, "Happy Days", cowboys and indians, and CNN. (im sure REAL Americans can make bigger lists )

"Armpit crushing" gives very good results too, but too lengthy a process I'm afraid

eughh

[yehudi]

Originally posted by Am Yisrael
eughh

I could tell you about "buttock crushing" too

[cerulean]

Gross.

Y, thanks for proving you are French.

[yehudi]

Originally posted by cerulean
Gross.
Y, thanks for proving you are French.

If that kind of statement is sufficient to be certified french, I guess there are plenty of people on this forum who would turn quite more french than me

Worst of all, some are serious.

[andak01]

Originally posted by NewsGuy
Just, btw - Normally the registration process does not involve such adventures. But we do have a mechanism in place for a human to approve or disapprove anyone's application for membership before they are permitted to post. Membership here is not automatic -- and for good reason.

The process described by our friend, the non-yehudi yehudi, is suspicious. I can bet that he entered something that had him rejected initially. Maybe an incorrect email address, maybe other member names that were already in use, as he describes, or maybe something else.

I am laughing at my own memory of finding communication with one of the moderators, I believe you NewsGuy through a hole in the system. Thanks for letting me on board again. This has been a very difficult time for me on many levels. I would say I have precious few friends hereabouts, but what I do have is a voice. I think I am the better for having experienced another point of view. I certainly have a better understanding of the plight of Israelis. Perhaps the posters here have learned a thing or two about Islam as well.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by yehudi
Ok, let me try to explain myself about how the mysterious Yehudi appeared on this forum.
Now it turns out yehudi means "jewish" ('Judéen' in french wich is slightly different). And some of you are pretty touchy about it.

So should I keep this nickname?

First I am sorry if I offend any of you, but

1/ I am an antiracist. If I am making a fool of anyone who tries to have a preconceptions on someone on his name. I am delighted by the trick.

2/ Part of my family is jew. Brother in law, Sister in law (convert), and the whole family behind. Moderate, clever people. The girl living in my house worked in a kibbutz etc… so I am not completely alien to jews or israelis.

3/ His words from www.menuhin-foundation.com
"Each human being has the eternal duty of transforming what is hard and brutal into a subtle and tender offering, what is rude into refinement, what is ugly into beauty, ignorance into knowledge, confrontation into collaboration, thereby rediscovering the child's dream of a creative reality incessantly renewed by death, the servant of life, and by life the servant of love".
Yehudi Menuhin is a model for me. I want to remind the fanatics and the disheartened people that you can be a jew *and* wise *and* an advocate of peace.

4/ Just utter "yehudi" it once or twice. Sounds wonderful. It's just a beautiful name.

I resent your choise of nickname for the following reasons:
1. Yehudi means Jew, male form, in Hebrew.
Since you're not a Jew, You are misleading people to think as if you are Jewish. This is a sort of fraud.
2. Being Jewish, in relation to the forum, consist of a certain world view, certain cultural back ground and some knowlage of history relevant to the discussions taken place here. You, obvoiusly lack that, by you own admissions. Other posters asume you are Jewish, with many facts known to you. The result is unnecessary misunderstandingsm which cause kind of distress among posters.

We have no problem explaining, teaching or refering. But I hate beeing mislead, on relevent matters.

3. Yehudi Menuchin was the first Jewish musician (violinist), who asumed up on himself, by his own authority, to repressent the entire Jewish people in reconciliation and forgiveness to the German people, in post-war Germany, a year or so after the war, the Holocaust had ended!!!

Following Yehudi's visit in Tel Aviv, in the early 50's, a Holocaust survivor served a jail term, with great pride, after breaking Yehodi Manuchin arms with an iron bar. Needless to say, the man motives for his attack were widely accepted in Israel.

All his life, Yehudi Manuchin was stark anti Zionist, hated by most Jews around the world and considered as a wirdow, fringe extremist at best, or a simple traitor.

If that kind of a jew, is considered "peace loving and wise" by you, its twice an insult of yours, aganist us Jews. I personaly hate the collaborating, flattering spineless self haters type of people. You'll find most real Jews thinking in similar lines like i do.

There for, I offer you optional nick, in Hebrew... "Ani_TZarfati_Tipesh".
A bit long, but it serves it purpass. How about "Tzfar'de'on"? I think it can be even a better nick for you...

BTW, what do you mean by "moderate jews", self hating anti Zionists? Is that your defention of "moderate" ?

[andak01]

I kind of agree with that sentiment. Your nick should reflect your persona and your persona should be consistant. That is the most productive way to proceed.

BTW, my nick is a Moroccan dialect word meaning 'Watch out!' When I was in Fez recently, the souk resounded with the words 'Ballak, ballak, andak, andak!' "Get out of the way, coming through!" Peace upon you all.