Roadmap to "the final solution"

[humus_sapiens]

A call to Israel and the United States
(By Stan Goodenough and Jan Willem van der Hoeven)
Jerusalem Newswire

As horrendous a toll as the Oslo Process has taken on Israel’s people and nationhood, an even greater danger lies ahead should its leaders agree to accept the Quartet’s “Road Map for implementation of a permanent solution for two states in the Israel-Palestinian Dispute.”

Israel, beware! Instead of charting a path to peace, the Road Map leads to a death trap that will spell the destruction of your state. Just your agreement to the implementation of this “two-state solution” could only lead to a further, unbearable loss of Jewish life.

The Road Map is the perpetuation of the Oslo Process under a different name, and we urge you not to talk about it, not to wrangle over it, but to resist it with all your might.

A decade ago we balked as the international community hailed the signing of an agreement it said would finally bring peace to the Middle East. We knew what terrible danger it held for your people.

And for 10 years we have witnessed the direct outcome of that ‘agreement with hell and the grave:’ the deaths of over 1,000 Israelis, and the wounding and maiming for life of thousands more.

Oslo critically compromised your state’s security, and drove a wedge of division deep into your nation. Its inevitable collapse triggered a terror campaign of Jewish bloodletting unprecedented in the history of your reborn national home.

From the moment we heard about the Declaration of Principles, we sounded our first warnings. But our cries fell on deaf ears; our concerns were dismissed, and we were labeled enemies of peace.

Although we did try, we know we should have done more to persuade you to leave the Oslo road. Maybe, just maybe, we could have saved some lives.

Yes, we witnessed with you the horrifying debacle resulting from the foolish elevation of a known murderer and terrorist to the level of statesman and peacemaker. And now we see you preparing to do it again, this time by elevating to that level PLO leader Abu Mazen – a Holocaust denier and a man who has never expressed contrition for the decades of terrorism he helped to direct, and who, as recently as last month, publicly condoned the murder of Jewish women and children.

Rather than acknowledging what Oslo graphically exposed as the moral and political bankruptcy of “land-for-peace,” the international community is gearing up to aggressively resume its pursuit of this path under a plan partially proposed by Saudi Arabia. And Israel, it looks as if you are going to let it happen.

You should be alarmed, Israel. You should be greatly alarmed!

Just as with Oslo, the Road Map legitimizes the fraudulent Arab claim to your land and appeases the belligerent party to the conflict, while exacting from you the surrender of the cradle of your nationhood and the security of your strategic depth, with no guarantees that doing so will bring protection and peace to the indefensible scrap of land that is all that will be left of your Jewish state.

Oslo, which created a temporary, interim Arab self-administration, and which you always had the option to reverse, led to the graves of hundreds of your daughters and sons. How much more painful a price will the Road Map demand, setting in stone as it does the foundations on which an irreversible Arab Islamic state will be erected on your God-ordained lands? [...]

We have seen how, especially when you sought to pursue the division of your land, terror struck hardest, stopping you literally in your tracks on this road to disaster.

But despite these bloody realities, your Prime Minister is encouraging efforts to push on in this fateful direction. And you remain virtually mute.

You dare not be put to sleep by those who say, “Arik would never do this.” He is clearly committed to this path, and if he proceeds, he will be responsible, as were prime minister’s Begin and Rabin, for endangering rather than securing your future.

Four times this past year, Mr. Sharon has flouted the message sent to him by his own party and then by the Israeli electorate at large, and worked to ensure that the lawmakers who oppose a Palestinian state are removed from his inner circle. He has told his countrymen he believes this state to be inevitable, and he is calling on you to stand with him in bringing this about.

Perhaps your prime minister feels, like so many of you do, that there is no other way to relieve the continued pressure of the world upon him than to acquiesce to the demand for a Palestinian state.

If so, then we want him and you to know that we, as Christian Zionists, are willing to fight this battle with the chief of the nations, some 71 percent of whose citizens support the war against Arafat’s brother in arms, Saddam Hussein.

Israel, you have already paid a horrifying price for not resolutely stating your claim and right to this land, and for entering into agreements with those who are working to usurp that claim.

For those who were deceived by the lie of the Left that there could be no way to resolve the Palestinian-Israeli conflict except through a negotiated settlement, you have just witnessed the United States establish another way.

We believe the time has come for you to acknowledge and declare that, from the River to the Sea, this is your God-given and God-restored land. You owe this to the memory of all Jews who longed for this land but were never able to see it, and you owe it to all the Israelis who have paid with their lives to live in and defend Eretz Yisrael.

Quartet or no Quartet, we encourage you to follow the righteous example set by the United States, which refused to bow to international pressure regarding Iraq and did what was in America’s best defense and interest. [...]

Earlier we heard the outrageous statements by Secretary of State Colin Powell when he asserted that it is still Israel that has not done enough in its quest for peace, this despite the fact Israel is still prepared to offer the Palestinians a state after all the years of terrible suffering at their hands!

Notwithstanding these signs warning of an eventual Bush betrayal of Israel, we believe that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was gracious to your country when He stiffened the neck of the Security Council and kept the United Nations from sharing with you in the glory of liberating Iraq.

Had the world body given its full support to Operation Iraqi Freedom, the precedent would have been set for the Arab-leaning UN to force Israel to surrender half of its land to implacable enemies.

Thank God, nearly all three of the four Quartet members – Old Europe, the United Nations and Russia – were found wanting when it came to supporting the valiant, US-led efforts to rid this world of Saddam and his weapons of mass destruction.

But the danger is not past. Great Britain, which did stand with you and sent its men and women to fight alongside yours in Iraq, is a primary proponent of “Palestine.”

Prime Minister Blair, distressed by the rifts opened in the international community over Iraq, has identified the vigorous implementation of the Road Map as the best remedy for healing this division, and especially for placating the infuriated Arab states.

But America take note! Offering up Israel to placate the oil-rich, terrorist-sponsoring Arab states will be no less an historic injustice and a crime against the people of Israel, than the appeasing of Nazi Germany by offering up Czechoslovakia was a felony against the people of that state. You know what that cowardice cost the world.

When three of your soldiers were killed by a car bomb in Iraq, you tasted just one hundredth of what the people of Israel have had leveled against them in the past two years. Instead of perversely, for reasons of political and or economic expediency, helping the PLO establish another Israel and American-hating terrorist state on Jewish lands, basic decency and fairness demand that you give Israel as free a hand to fight its war against terror as you have had to fight yours, and that you support her in this fight as unconditionally as she has supported you.

America beware. Your nation’s persistent pursuit of the Road Map will take you from blessing Israel to cursing her. The price you will pay may include the end of the era of your prosperity and the removal from you of the glorious mantle of world leadership.

We urge you to recognize the new realities and opportunities that your steadfast determination to go against Iraq has opened up in the world. We would plead with you to seize the historic day that lies before you, and instead of patching up the old, discredited alliances, encourage you to align yourself fully with Israel, and with the rest of the coalition of the willing. If you do, the blessings that will come to your nation will outshine anything that you have ever known.

After September 11 you told the world that it was either with you or against you in your war against terror. Israel is fully with America. Are you, fully, with her?

[Isiah 2:4]

Wow. Heres a thought, and yes, i am trying to be funny. Dont take this in a sincere way.

How about you edit the letter, and replace :

'Israel' with 'palestine'

'Sharon, Rabin' with 'Arafat' etc..

'Jewish with Muslim'

'United States' with 'Arab Nations'

Instead of 'after September 11', put 'rise of neo-conservative american Imperialism.'

Then it would read as a an Arab propaganda letter, instead of a Western one. It'd probably work as well.

[wellofvow]

The evidence is so abundant, supplied by the parties themselves, that the PA is a terrorist entity, and to make it a "state" would be consenting to the formation of a terrorist state.

The Americans and British made the point over and over again that the "Iraqi regime" was bad, but the "Iraqi people" were Saddam's victims, thus "good". (Does Animal Farm come to mind? )

OK, that's Iraq. The white hats ("people") and the black hats ("regime") were defined ad nauseum by the American administration and by the Pentagon. Now to the Palestinian Authority.

The PA "regime" has been shown to be corrupt, terrorist, and has not complied with a single item they signed onto in the accursed Oslo Accords. It is ludicrous to call on Arafat to "renounce violence" over and over for 9 years. For a while, he played the poor-little-me victim, that it was out of his hands, but his own Fatah have taken credit for too many civilian deaths for this to have any credibility. Most Americans do not. Certainly no Israelis.

The difference comes in when Straw, Powell, and others defy reality to contend that the "Palestinian people" are the equivalent of the "Iraqi people".

The Palestinians were NOT supportive of the "Iraqi people", they supported SADDAM, the icon of the "Iraqi regime", which, remember?, WAS BAD. The "Palestinian people" wanted their hero Saddam to CONTINUE torturing and murdering his own people. They do not give a fig about the Iraqis, but they adored Saddam, who gave them huge prizes for murdering Israelis. Straw and other pro-Arabists try to sell the lala concept that ISRAEL is the root of all bad. Well, it is, as long as you do not believe that Israel has the right to exist, and that Jews are human beings with the same human rights as every other person.

Have people forgotten so quickly what happened in 1991? There were about 250,000 Palestinian "foreign workers" in Kuwait. Iraq attacked Kuwait. The "Israeli Palestinians" cheered wildly on their rooftops every time Saddam got a Scud missile through to Israel. Sooooo, the Kuwaitis expelled virtually ALL Palestinians after the 1991 war.

It does not take a mathematician or specialist in logic to figure this out. Both the PA regime AND the PA people are BAD. They supported Saddam, they support homocide bombers, and the murder of civilians. Both regime and people are supporting terror. Why give them a state after destroying a terrorist regime in another state at such great cost? It is just not logical.

Politics and appeasing your allies should not factor into this. Blair has sold out to Straw who long ago was bought by the Arabs.

[andak01]

I'm all for it. Roll the American Tanks into Palestine and declare it a free democracy. Then roll out and ignore it, like we are doing in Afghanistan. Works for me. What? You have a problem with that? Everyone seems to like that solution for Syria, why not Palestine?

[yoyo]

Posted a question but I found what I was looking for...

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by andak01
I'm all for it. Roll the American Tanks into Palestine and declare it a free democracy. Then roll out and ignore it, like we are doing in Afghanistan. Works for me. What? You have a problem with that? Everyone seems to like that solution for Syria, why not Palestine?

I'll be much simpler if Israel would be allowed to kick Arafat gang togather with all the other nasties out. Then there will be peace and security for both people, Israelis and Arabs.

There is no need for Ameican tanks, Israeli tanks and tank crews are far superior then what ever the american might have. Besides, had the Americans were standing instead of the IDF, in Arab town... there would be no "Arab towns" within three hours... just a huge flat parking lot instead, following the first sniper-hiding-behind-children incedent.

In the short run, I believe that the new ragime in Iraq should give full citizenship to every Arab from Israel. Some of those Arabs are well trained and well educated, (probably the best educated Arab in the ME). and giving them a safe heaven, away from all the warfare and the terror of Arafat gangs, this is the humanitarian thing to do. For both the "Palestinian" Arabs and the Iraqis Arabs.

[yoyo]

A Train In Poland
by Nissan Ratzlav-Katz
August 27, 2002


My grandfather, of blessed memory, was an underground fighter—a partisan—in Nazi-occupied Poland during World War II. One of the main objectives of the partisans was the destruction of eastbound train tracks in order to prevent the transport of German troops to the Russian front and of Jews to their internment and ultimate death in Nazi concentration camps.

On one occasion, my grandfather told me, his unit of partisan fighters blew up a railroad bridge and waited in ambush. When the train eventually approached and was forced to stop in order to avoid plummeting into the canyon depths, the partisans charged aboard and killed all of the Nazi troops who were manning the cars. Afterwards, the partisans opened a passenger car from which they had heard the sound of people talking excitedly and crying. Inside was a group of Jews dressed in their finest clothes and grasping suitcases filled with their possessions—as if they were on their way to a long vacation. The Jews on board were shocked and apprehensive about the strange-looking people from the woods who had attacked their train and killed all of the Nazi soldiers, initially refusing to believe that their liberators were Jewish themselves.

After some discussion, it became clear that the Jews in the railroad car were from occupied Belgium. The partisans described what awaited them in the Nazi concentration camps, but the Belgian Jews refused to believe their ears. They protested to the wild Jews from the forest that it was utterly impossible that the train was taking them to their deaths. “After all, the Germans told us that this was an evacuation to the East for military purposes,” they insisted, with a glance at the dark, foreboding Polish woods, “and who would believe that the cosmopolitan Germans would plan such a thing as you are telling us? In fact, the opposite is the case, we have to try and survive under the terms set by the Germans _ your way is dangerous and only brings down the fury of the Germans on all the Jews.” The partisans tried to convince them by cajoling, pleading and crying but nothing helped and so they returned to the sanctuary of the forest before the arrival of Nazi reinforcements.

The Belgian Jews waited patiently for the train to be repaired. Then, they continued on their journey eastward.

That story is one of the saddest, most chilling stories from that most sad and chilling period in history. However, more chilling is our failure to learn from those who have come before us. We still, in the words of Elie Wiesel, trust the promises of our friends more than the threats of our enemies.

While it is undeniably true that today’s train, the Arab-Israeli “peace train”, has run off the tracks, there are still those obstinate people who insist on remaining on board until the Arabs come to repair the train and carry all of us, for the sake of peace, of course, to our final destination. When Jewish leaders say that they are waiting for new leadership among the Arabs, they are really saying that they are waiting for a new crew to fix the derailed train. They have no intention of leaving the train and confronting the truth of its ultimate destination.

Often, those Jewish leaders mired in the ideology of Oslo appeasement pose what they deem to be a rhetorical question; “what’s the alternative?” The Belgian Jews in that Polish forest also grappled with “what’s the alternative?” They asked themselves: the woods or the camps? Total defiance or cooperation in an effort to appease our enemies? The answer to those condemned Jews, and to their modern day fellow-travelers now stuck on the “peace train”, has to be the same one given by my grandfather and his unit of partisans: the alternative, my brethren, is to take responsibility for yourselves and to live.

[peace4ev4]

I cant believe people are talking about stealing and robbing land its not yours to give its alll Gods Land just because you put money on it doesnt mean you own it because God can still take it away just my philosophy of how land should be thought about. i cant believe people are putting they're lives at stake just for some Land. this generation is not peaceful at all its still the leaders fault because no ones capable of believing there is still chance for peace or they dont want peace we shouldnt give up. there is a great chance of peace its just there are people with little faith like politicians. i have a so many solutions but no one is willing to hear

[Mediocrates]

Such as?

[jong52yuara]

for god's sake, there is nothing worth to fight for! everyone only lives up to 80 years why dont just get on with their lifes?

it is endless cycles of revenge and it will only makes your grandchild/younger generation suffer. for those idiots trying to get their land back are complete idiot, why these people trying to get into history mess which happened since 1948 ago?

[bararallu]

for god's sake, there is nothing worth to fight for! everyone only lives up to 80 years

Now now, recent developments in stem cells, cryogenics and vector driven genetic engineering will allow us a lot more time to fight for our lives. 80 years is just the tip of the Iceberg. As an experiment, you can come back to this forum in a 100 years, and we'll all still be here. Not so sure about the Paleostinians and their irredentist, Jew hating, supporters- feigning humanitarian hand wringing.

[jong52yuara]

Now now, recent developments in stem cells, cryogenics and vector driven genetic engineering will allow us a lot more time to fight for our lives. 80 years is just the tip of the Iceberg. As an experiment, you can come back to this forum in a 100 years, and we'll all still be here. Not so sure about the Paleostinians and their irredentist, Jew hating, supporters- feigning humanitarian hand wringing.

why choose for a fight instead you can turn away from it and go fishing, take a walk at beach, watch a movie, or do something you like and enjoy your life. life is very short and people spend their time moving forward, not trying to dig up sad history and because of somebody's interest doesnt mean that everybody else have to follow their leader's instruction and follow it.

fighting for land is purely political game!

[bararallu]

why choose for a fight instead you can turn away from it and go fishing, take a walk at beach, watch a movie, or do something you like and enjoy your life. life is very short and people spend their time moving forward, not trying to dig up sad history and because of somebody's interest doesnt mean that everybody else have to follow their leader's instruction and follow it.

fighting for land is purely political game!

Fishing is also fighting, and walking on the beach... thats violence onto the sand, and the small critters that live in it. I agree life is short! so lets make it longer! And fighting for land is purely political, lets for instance start fighting for love and sex like the ancient greeks who fought long wars over single women! (thats a double entendre btw). What do you say? Let me come to your country kidnap some random woman and then your country can declare war on mine? It would be anything but political.

[Hugh Goesse]

I cant believe people are talking about stealing and robbing land its not yours to give its alll Gods Land just because you put money on it doesnt mean you own it because God can still take it away just my philosophy of how land should be thought about. i cant believe people are putting they're lives at stake just for some Land. this generation is not peaceful at all its still the leaders fault because no ones capable of believing there is still chance for peace or they dont want peace we shouldnt give up. there is a great chance of peace its just there are people with little faith like politicians. i have a so many solutions but no one is willing to hear

It's not G_d's land: its mine, he told me so.

[bararallu]

It's not G_d's land: its mine, he told me so.

This, BTW, Hugh, is not a tenet of Zionism. Zionism makes an ethnic claim, non unlike the Welsh to Wales and Scott's to Scotland. The contending Arab claim is, however, based on religious mythology (viz., Dar Al Harb/Dar Al-Islam-Waqf al Quds). Before Nasser, with Soviet assistance, fabricated a new Levantine nation, Al Husseini the Imam of Jerusalem, an Egyptian, uncle to Arafat, signed a pact with Hitler to purge the Jews from holy Arab land, not "Palestinian land"... Muslim Arab land. Ethnic cleansing of minorities (esp religious minorities) has been going on for over a millennium in the Middle East, just as it had been, until relatively recently, in Europe.