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    abu afak
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    --- Palestinian Reality ---

    PALESTINIAN REALITY

    By RALPH PETERS


    April 21, 2003 -- IN the aftermath of the allied victory in Iraq, the international pressure to create an independent Palestinian state will be irresistible. And the Palestinian people unquestionably deserve a government and homeland of their own.
    Israel's vital interests must be protected, but even Prime Minister Ariel Sharon recognizes that some West Bank settlements must be vacated. Despite legitimate misgivings in Jerusalem, Palestinian statehood is on the way.

    We may hope that this new state will honor the dignity of its own people and the security needs of its neighbors, that democracy - and peace - will be given a chance.

    But extravagant optimism guarantees disappointment. This politically independent, but financially dependent Palestinian state is likely to disappoint everyone except the most corrupt Arabs and the most cynical Europeans.


    For the United States and Israel, the greatest disappointment will be that Palestinian statehood will not put an end to anti-Israeli terrorism. There may be an initial drop in suicide bombings, but terrorism will remain a fact of life. Palestinian authorities will sign the treaties and make the right noises, but will take only limited action - under duress - to suppress violent extremists.

    Even were a Palestinian government to behave with flawless integrity, terrorists would simply stage their operations from Lebanon or elsewhere. The key fact that Western advocates for the Palestinian cause refuse to recognize is that the terrorism directed toward Israel is only superficially about Palestinian independence. At its core, it is about the old passion for killing Jews.

    Once there is an independent Palestinian state, Israel will be accused of countless other sins - among them hindering the economic and political development of the new entity. While many Palestinians do, indeed, yearn for freedom and a just society, the hardline killers desire the complete destruction of Israel. Nothing less will do.

    For the profoundly unscrupulous Arab governments of the region, the Palestinian cause has been a cherished convenience. All home-grown ills could be blamed on the need to sacrifice for the Palestinians - although the Palestinians never received sufficient aid from other Arabs to build decent lives. The image of Palestinian poverty and deprivation has been essential to the Arab world's myth-making.

    Now Arab insistence and rhetoric have backed the myth-makers into a corner: For the region's decayed regimes, continuing Palestinian misery and powerlessness remain preferable to a Palestinian state. But the United States and even Israel now seem to accept the inevitability of Free Palestine. The Arabs have gotten their public wish, but will regret it in private.

    The Arabs still need someone to blame for their failures. And they will continue to blame Israel and the United States. The Arabs will find countless faults with Israel's implementation of any accords. Then they will attack the accords themselves as unjust.

    The Arab world is as addicted to blame as any junkie was ever addicted to heroin.

    There may be some meaningful efforts to place new limits on terrorist operations from the soil of states such as Jordan and Egypt. But the terrorists will find ways around any restrictions. They are so consumed with the vision of Israel annihilated that many will never be able to tear themselves away from the delicious comforts of hatred, blame and slaughter.

    The best hope for peace would be a regime change in Syria and the expulsion of all terrorist organizations from Lebanon. That may happen. Operation Iraqi Freedom provided the spark that could ignite the entire region, leading to the eventual collapse of one illegitimate government after another.

    Anti-Israeli terrorism will never cease entirely - it's simply too alluring to the spiritually dispossessed of the Arab world - but the transformation of surrounding governments into states even moderately observant of human rights, the rule of law and the popular will would seriously hamper terrorist operations.

    The other great disappointment will be visited upon the Palestinian people themselves. Most Palestinians would welcome a chance to better their lives - or at least the lives of their children - and to determine who will lead them through free and fair elections.

    But the other Arab states will never permit it - at least not until they change themselves. The last thing any of the surrounding regimes wants is a successful, economically thriving, rule-of-law, freely elected Arab government in their midst. The example to their own people would be unbearable.

    It's critical to Arab leaders that a Palestinian state remain corrupt, malleable and governed by gunmen - even if the gunmen wear tailored suits to the conference table.

    Arab states want the Palestinians to remain needy clients, not to become apostles of change. The situation in Iraq is worrisome enough to Damascus, Cairo and Riyadh.

    Elections will be the first real test. Other Arab states will do all in their power to insure they don't happen freely and fairly. A leader like Yasser Arafat is ideal from the perspective of other Arab governments: He's impeccably dishonest, careless of the welfare of his people and contemptuous of individual rights. He's not only willing to be bought, he's willing to be bought cheap.

    Any brave Palestinian who attempts to stand for election on a platform of genuine reform had better have the world's best bodyguards.

    Israel will get through all this. Israelis know what is at stake, and they will adjust to new realities as necessary. Israel even may be a bit less embattled as long as the celebrations continue in the West Bank, Gaza, Paris, Berlin and other anti-Semitic hotbeds.

    The real losers in the new state will be, as always, the Palestinians. They deserve freedom and a real chance to build a decent civil society. But the Europeans don't really care, the Arabs care about all the wrong things, and the current Palestinian leadership cares only about its own continued tenure in power.

    A Palestinian state is on the way. Palestinian freedom will remain a dream.

    http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/op...ists/73858.htm

    Ralph Peters is a retired military officer and the author of "Beyond Terror: Strategy in a Changing World."
    Last edited by abu afak; 04-21-2003 at 04:58 PM.

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    nijjhar
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    Peace for sons of Man

    PEACE FOR SONS OF MAN


    People seeking Peace ignore the very first basic principle of religion (Be a son of Man) then they hypocritically blame religion for all the troubles of the world.

    Both Christ (Satguru) Nanak Dev Ji and Christ Jesus stressed that do not forget your tribal identity if you want to lead an honourable life but people severe their covenant with their tribal elders, “Ilah” and resort to sectarian riots. Christ Jesus said, “Every plant (person) that my heavenly father (Yahweh/Brahma) did not plant (who changes his tribal identity) shall be uprooted alongwith the roots (shall be killed alongwith his supporters)”. Christ Nanak Dev Ji said the same, “ BEEO BEEJ (people who do not forget their tribal identity) PATT LAE GAYAE (shall live with their honour intact); ABB KEUN UGHWAE DAAL (people without their tribal identity are shameless people and “shame” being the foundation of religion, they cannot be sons of God i.e. “Ilah” before “Allah” but that of the Satan).

    Now, the Chosen People are the demonstration nation (or the nation of Priests) of the world and they are presenting a living example of this first basic principle.

    Thus, both the Palestinians of Ishmael and the chosen people of Isaac hail from the same Semitic rootstock of Abraham but at present both of them are unfaithful to their tribal elder Abraham who was neither a Jew nor a Mohammedan but a Semite by flesh or outwardly. Religion is a matter of the “heart” and not of the physical body in that St.Paul stressed “A Jew is one who is inwardly and not outwardly”. So, when the Jews become Jews of the physical body and not of the heart, then they severe their covenant with Abraham. The same applies to the Palestinians who have become Mohammedans of the physical body. On severing your covenant with your tribal elders, you are no more a son of Man but a son of Satan or SHANKAR VARNIAE.

    Jesus in the Parable of wheat and tares (Matt.13 – 24-30) describes the nature of these two. Farmer (Yahweh) sowed good seed (sons of Man), the wheat plants but Satan came at night (religious darkness) and planted his own, the tares. In the morning the Angels, the people perfect in the moral laws, reported this to the Farmer and asked his permission to uproot the tares but the Farmer said, “No. Leave them alone and when the End of the Age comes I will bundle them up and burn them before I would ask my wheat plants to bring in the fruit of their labour”. So, Israel is the place where the tares are bundled up and they are burning and killing each other like those in Kashmir/India as expected of the sons of Satan.

    It were these clever sons of Satan that John, the Baptist, Prophet Elijah, refused to baptise in the name of Abraham and He rather called them the brood of vipers. He baptised simple minded people, “stones” into the sons of Abraham and when the first Bishop of the Church of God St.Stephan stressed this crucial point to the Temple Priests that we have Abraham as our fore father, then he was stoned to death as expected of the brood of the vipers. It were these sons of Satan who went for their own kind the robber Barabbas and the death of Christ Jesus who had turned the sons of Abraham, “salt of the earth”, into the sons of God, the Saints. Thus, the sons of Abraham praised Christ Jesus for his benevolent works whilst the sons of Satan, the Temple Priests and their blind stooges supported the clever robber of their own type who did not let them even cook their food during the great siege of Jerusalem.

    After the death of the first Bishop, the next Bishop was frightened of the Jews, who even killed the most humble St.James, the Just mercilessly in 62 A.D. So, the frightened Bishops dare not either baptise men in the name of Abraham or challenge the Temple Priests in humanity anymore. Timid Bishops let the Jewish leaven, Tanakh or Old Testament, enter into the Churches and the Apostles who rebuked them for their malpractices and challenged their immorality were thrown out of the Churches. Thus, the Bishops revolted by telling the Apostles to either preach what they liked or stop visiting their Churches. The Apostles being the Labourers of God told the Bishops that their praises lie with God and not with you corrupt Bishops or people. They stopped visiting those corrupt Churches and most of them opened their own Monasteries.

    But when the corrupt Bishops gained political importance, then the Romans took advantage of them. The Bishops supplied the soldiers and glorified them on their deaths whilst the Romans helped them to kill those Monks who were criticising them. Then the corrupt Bishops plied the dead “letters” of the Bible, KATAEB, through presbyters and by 325 A.D., they were so blind to spirit that in their non-sense Nicene Creed, a straight jacket for the blind, they declared Christ died and rose on the third day. Now, Christ is the Word that was in the beginning and lived among us in the name of Jesus. Christ being the Light, it is to make a fool of yourself to proclaim your Christship to the spiritually blind people. Thus, Christ Jesus had the pleasure to do so to the spiritually enlightened Samaritan woman at the well who told Jesus that you are a Prophet. Such spiritually advanced spinster is called by the blind men of “letters” an immoral woman for her ability to overpowering the Five spiritual temptations of the heart.

    Such corrupt Bishops and Popes went for the atrocities of Mammon rather than the service of God and created great havoc in society worse than that created by the Temple Priests, the brood of vipers. St.Paul’s Cathedral in London is a good example of such Christianity of Mammon worshippers.

    In a nutshell, Jesus came to do the Will of our Father, Insh Allah and not his own, Insh Jesus but the Popes started to do their own wills through “edicts”, Insh Popes and instead of serving people they became their cruel Lords in the name of our Elder Brother Christ Jesus.

    Today, the people carry Holy Books like the super donkeys and when they are asked simple questions, they are unable to answer. Spiritual Principles, the Word, Logo, is discussed in the light of logical reasoning such as if God is Spirit, then how could He create Adam and Eve or the beautiful women as rewards for those who die during the Jihad or Insh Mullahs? In the Islam of Allah, it is INSHALLAH that dominates and not Insh Popes, Mullahs, Akal Takht Jathedars, etc., the sons of Satan. This is the Age of Islam, HUKUM RAZIAN CHALNA, and so every one of us has to give his own account to God or Allah (Al-ilah, the Father). Any one who imposes his own will (edict or Fatwa) or pretends to be an agent or guide of God such as the dog-collared priest, KUSANT, etc is an anti Christ. God being Spirit, only the sensible people of spirit enjoy the freedom and the Gospel of God. Thus, in God we have the preachers, the Sowers of His Word and not the moral teachers drunk with the “old wine” of the “letters”.

    Scriptures + holy spirit (common sense) = Gospel

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    In whose name. John baptised men in water?
    No son of Man, no son of God.
    Logically Gospel is as simple as ABC.
    HOLY SPIRIT, "common sense", SHATTERS
    THE FETTERS OF THE LETTERS/BOOKS.

    GOD IS LOVE AND SERVICE WHILST SATAN IS HATRED, KILLING AND BURNING.
    THIS IS THE AGE OF NOT “SINNERS” BUT OF THE HYPOCRITES, THE LIARS AND THE BLASPHEMERS.
    FIRST KNOW WHAT YOU “SEE” AND THEN WHAT IS NOT SEEN WOULD BE REVEALED TO YOU.
    SO, UNLESS A FEMALE BECOMES A “MALE”, SHE CANNOT ENTER INTO THE ROYAL KINGDOM OF GOD.
    IN JESUS, WE ARE “FISHERS” OF MEN CAPABLE OF RENEWING OUR “INNERMAN”, THE CHRIST.
    “HOLY SPIRIT” (COMMON SENSE) SHATTERS THE FETTERS OF THE “LETTERS” (HOLY BOOKS)

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    Yasmeen
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    The real losers in the new state will be, as always, the Palestinians. They deserve freedom and a real chance to build a decent civil society. But the Europeans don't really care, the Arabs care about all the wrong things, and the current Palestinian leadership cares only about its own continued tenure in power.

    A Palestinian state is on the way. Palestinian freedom will remain a dream.
    This entire article rings as an unfortunate truth. The Palestinian people will, in the end, truly be the victims, victims of the extremists, and corrupt Middle Eastern "governments" (if you can call the unfairly installed, unelected, self-appointed representatives of the Arab people that).

    Lest the status quo were to change dramatically, and for the good of the people, I fear that the author's conclusion is right on target. But I choose to retain my faith in humanity, and stand by the hope that eventually, the corrupt Arab regimes will fall, the Arab people will realize they're only the victims for as long as they allow themselves to be, and rise up to join the rest of the world in the 21st century.

    The Middle East has become a tragedy due to the lack of democracy and freedom in the people's hands. This is why I so ardently support the Iraq war.

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    nijjhar
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    Peace in Israel

    Hi,

    The Chosen People of Isaac are the real owners of Israel but they can live in Peace if they become faithful to Abraham or keep the covenant with Him.

    But they are not doing so and so the Palestinians Mohammedans. Peace could be in the villages but not in Jersulem where there was no trace of merciful people when Jesus was crucified.

    The Jerusalem people were watching the merciless beating of Jesus who pretended that He could not carry the Cross but a village man Simon came forward to help Jesus carry His Cross.

    There could be Peace in villages of the Promised Land but not in Jerusalem. The Temple of Jerusalem is in Amritsar known as Golden Temple, the most corrupt religious place in the world.

    The Jewish people are the victim of the blind guides leading the blind into the Pit of death whilst the people of Amritsar are psychic CROOKS and when they would be destroyed it would be worse than Israel.

    For details, visit my web site. My lectures are Free and the Gospel is as simple as ABC.

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    CanDo
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    Quote Originally Posted by nijjhar
    Peace could be in the villages but not in Jersulem where there was no trace of merciful people when Jesus was crucified.
    You really believe that there were no merciful people at all in Jerusalem during the crucification of Christ? Not one throughout all of Jerusalem? From which comic book did you read that?

    The Jerusalem people were watching the merciless beating of Jesus who pretended that He could not carry the Cross but a village man Simon came forward to help Jesus carry His Cross.
    All of Jerusalem were watching? I didn't know that they had CNN back then. Do you really think that ALL of Jerusalem could afford Satellite dishes and HDTV back then?

    There could be Peace in villages of the Promised Land but not in Jerusalem. The Temple of Jerusalem is in Amritsar known as Golden Temple, the most corrupt religious place in the world.
    The MOST corrupt in the world? Where did you pull this little goody out from? What is your source? Do you always make things up so that it fits your confused theories?

    The Jewish people are the victim of the blind guides leading the blind into the Pit of death whilst the people of Amritsar are psychic CROOKS and when they would be destroyed it would be worse than Israel.
    All of the Jewish people are victims of blind guides? How about Jewish taxi drivers in New York? Jewish teachers in South Carolina? Jewish garbage collecters in Tel Aviv? You should take more time formulating your thoughts and making sure that you are in the real world, not a fantasy world that doesn't exist!

    For details, visit my web site. My lectures are Free and the Gospel is as simple as ABC.
    I can see why your lectures are free. As far as being simple...... they sure are!

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    Leon
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    Watch The Passion of the Christ if you dont believe him.

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    CanDo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leon
    Watch The Passion of the Christ if you dont believe him.
    Is that where he got his facts, from the Passion of Christ? From a movie? I can't wait to read the wisdom of his next post, after he watches "Debbie does Dallas"!

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    Leon
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    and just to show how reliable that first hand wittness account of the Passion is - check out the first couple of scenes where the shylocked nosed High Priests meet on Passover night of all nights....

    these sinsiter Jooz just hated him so much that they were willing to desecrate one of their most holiest days. shows you their true inner evil.

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    Yasmeen
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanDo
    Is that where he got his facts, from the Passion of Christ? From a movie? I can't wait to read the wisdom of his next post, after he watches "Debbie does Dallas"!
    LOL

    Hey now... Debbie Does Dallas has a bountiful supply of wisdom!

    Quote Originally Posted by nijjhar
    Hi,

    The Chosen People of Isaac are the real owners of Israel but they can live in Peace if they become faithful to Abraham or keep the covenant with Him.

    But they are not doing so and so the Palestinians Mohammedans. Peace could be in the villages but not in Jersulem where there was no trace of merciful people when Jesus was crucified.

    The Jerusalem people were watching the merciless beating of Jesus who pretended that He could not carry the Cross but a village man Simon came forward to help Jesus carry His Cross.

    There could be Peace in villages of the Promised Land but not in Jerusalem. The Temple of Jerusalem is in Amritsar known as Golden Temple, the most corrupt religious place in the world.

    The Jewish people are the victim of the blind guides leading the blind into the Pit of death whilst the people of Amritsar are psychic CROOKS and when they would be destroyed it would be worse than Israel.

    For details, visit my web site. My lectures are Free and the Gospel is as simple as ABC.
    *massive eye-rolling ensues*

    Some of the people around here really scare the hell out of me...

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    nijjhar
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    Gospel as simple as ABC.........

    Hi,

    If you do not believe me then tell me if Abraham was not a Jew how would you establish your covenant with Abraham who was a Semite?

    If he was a Jew, then Arabs should be Jew as well.

    That is called the blind guides leading the blind into the Pit of death as during the holocausts.

    Nothing good could be expected of the saltless people. The disciples or rather the hired Labourers of Jesus were the "Salt of the earth" from where Adam was created.

    Am I talking sense or non-sense?

    Have you seen a blind Taxi driver driving a car?

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    CanDo
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    Quote Originally Posted by nijjhar
    Am I talking sense or non-sense?
    It's called gibberish.

    Have you seen a blind Taxi driver driving a car?
    Some can see, but still are blind. For instance, in your case, I posted responses to your post, but you have ignored all of my points. Was that because you are "mentally" blind? You refuse to see the nonsense in your own doctrine so you start talking about blind taxi drivers?

    Do you feel that your points will be more meaningful if you are silly and irrational?

    It's great lecturing others, isn't it? But it ceases to be fun when people start questioning your gibberish.

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    danholo
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    The heads of the temple during Roman rule were very corrupt. They were appointed by the Roman government and even had Roman names. This is no secret. The Pharisees, or "rabbinical" Jews, did not follow the Sadducees who were those in power and puppets of the Romans.

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    CanDo
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    Quote Originally Posted by danholo
    The heads of the temple during Roman rule were very corrupt. They were appointed by the Roman government and even had Roman names. This is no secret. The Pharisees, or "rabbinical" Jews, did not follow the Sadducees who were those in power and puppets of the Romans.
    To me, the head of most churches, temples or mosques are corrupt. They sell a non-existent, supernatural, superpower to the masses. It's the most successful scam of all times.

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    Most Christians that I know have gone beyond the Jewish blood libel thing. The more literalist say something like "Jesus had to die for our sins, and G-d hardened the people's hearts." They point to the fact that, according to their bible, Jews were celebrating the arrival of Jesus to Jerusalem days before he was crucified. The messianic ones also point to the fact that there are still Jews at the end of days in their religion as a reason to not missionize the Jews (as opposed to other religious), although, once Jesus returns, well...

    There are also many Christians who are not literalists, and they don't seem to have problems with Jews, either. However, then there are certainly more liberal Christian groups that seem to take discrimination towards Jews as a divine right... just like the secular left.

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    RoofRabbit
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    Quote Originally Posted by abu afak
    And the Palestinian people unquestionably deserve a government and homeland of their own.
    That's like saying a thief who breaks into your home deserves to have your furniture in his home. NO, they do not deserve their own land. Exceedingly wicked people should not be rewarded for their crimes. What have they done to earn it? The Palestinians have more money poured into them for help than any other country yet they spend it all on terrorist weapons rather than help their own people. Unquestionably? That statement is unquestionably wrong!

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