Israel, and Egypt have become part of the Roman empire. However we became an autonomy, with slef governance. Jerusalem was not over run and demolished before 70 AD.Originally posted by Kapiti
Then again after the return from Exodus in 1271 through to the time the Romans took control of Jerusalem (by Pompei) in 61 BCE.
The last major rebelion against the Romans (the second in Israel, the theird over all) was in the year 132-135 AD. Hence, we had the capecity to run a rebelion for a relative long period.
The Arabs occupayed Israel only in the 7th century. Mohammad was long dead by then. The arabs found here, in Israel a large Jewish population. There were no Arabs in Israel, before then.
worng. over 15-20 centuries, Israel saw Jewish demographic and economical and political dominance.At best they were the majority and political rulers for another 1210 years.
Since we talk politics, Arabs have never realy ruled the land of Israel at any time. 10th century-11th centuries, Israel was ruled by the crusaders, then Mameluks, then Turks for four centuries. Then we came back.
Arabs came over to Israel in vast numbers from Egypt, Syria and Lebanon only in the 1920's. Israel was mostly unpopulated by Arabs till then.
The is no relation between modern Arabs and the non-Jews who lived in Israel in the Roman eara. Before the Helenic period and before, Jews made up the absolutel and totall majority of Israel's population. There were no non-Jews in significant numbers, untill the greek and Roman occupation. Even then, the non Jews were a minority. The same way, there is no relation between the anciant Greeks, and modern greeks, no relation between anciant Egyptions who built the pyramids and the modern Egyptions who are Arabs, and modern Italians have nothing in commons with the mighty Romans (other then cities names and couple of sites).Assuming that the "Jews" did not drive out or kill all the non-Jews during the period that they dominated and that the non-Jews likewise did not kill all the Jews during their period of domination then both can lay lay to a continuous presence within the land.
Counting up the years from 1812 BCE up until 1948 when either was in power and majority in the land then the Jews were dominant for roughly 1500 years and the non jews were dominant for 2260 years.
Your numbers are skewed.
15-20 centuries were Jewish political rule of Israel. up to the 2nd or 3rd century AD. Arabs ruled for far shorter periods of time, and been in Israel (quite hardly) since the late 7th and 8th centuries AD. That means about 12 centuries.
While Jews lived in Israel by the millions in anciant times, arabs did not. Jews had political power and self governance. Arabs did not. Israel has never been an independent Arab state. In some cities in Israel, Jews have lived a continualy uninteruptedly for 30 centuries. In cities like Hebron, Tzfat, Gaza, Peki'in and Jerusalm, Jews have never went to exile, and lived there. Arabs did not. Jews produced buildings, advanced agriculture, industry, even in anciant times. Arabs did not. Arabs contributed very little to Israel in terms of culture, buildings, economy... even the castels in Israel were built by Jews, Turks and crusaders. Not Arabs.
I guss you have to learn math as well as history.Prior to 1948 it appears to me that the non-jews were dominant for more than 60 percent of the time.
Arabs live in Israel as invaders since the 7th and 8th century. 12-13 centuries. Never as a political entity, but as slaves working the land for other Arabs and Crusaders, tied by poverty to their lands. Only we Jews freed them in late 19th and 20th centuries. Bought lands, modern industry, moder agriculture, modern commarce and trade. There was NOTHING left in Israel while we were gone, not even trees and wild life. (Arabs and Turks choped them all, hunted all the animals they found, killed all lions and leopards).Can someone explain to me using reasons other than relgious ones why the people dominant for a minority of the time have a greater historical claim to the land than the people who were dominant for a majority of the time.
Jews live in Israel for 30 centuries, ruled Israel for as a political enetity of some kind for 15-20 centuries.