Home | The Israeli right aren't out to hurt their country in any way, shape or form. The Israeli left isn't either, but they sure do a good job at it. The Israeli right wants to take the only sure and safest ways to any goal - especially when it comes to terrorism and terrorists. So, I ask you, why hate the Israeli right?
I have few answers for you. I believe people hate armed Jews and fear the Jewish ideas of payback and retrobution. Even the ideas of moral, truth and justace spooks them.Originally posted by Adversary2Arabs
The Israeli right aren't out to hurt their country in any way, shape or form. The Israeli left isn't either, but they sure do a good job at it. The Israeli right wants to take the only sure and safest ways to any goal - especially when it comes to terrorism and terrorists. So, I ask you, why hate the Israeli right?
Many people, aspecialy Arabs and Europeans caused us much grive. Even today, many europeans are quite anti semetic. They know that and they feel what's coming to them, and fear it.
On the long run, the combination of a fighting Jew who belive in justace and vegeance, heavily disturbes their peace. The IDF, and a winning IDF, cause them much worry.
Last edited by Gilgamesh; 05-07-2003 at 11:22 PM.
how about the IDF storm into europe and take retribution against the anti-semites. Also if any european fights back the banner of anti-semitism shall be raised.Originally posted by Gilgamesh
I have few answers for you. I believe people hate armed Jews and fear the Jewish ideas of payback and retrobution. Even the ideas of moraly, truth and justace spooks them.
Many people, aspecialy Arabs and Europeans caused us much grive. Even today, many europeans are quite anti semetic.
On the long run, the combination of a fighting Jew who belive in justace and vegeance, heavily disturbes their peace. The IDF, and a winning IDF, cause them much worry.
Gilgamesh, I think you're correct. I never thought of it in that sense.
What Gilgamesh is saying is correct, but I still don't accept the premise of the thread.
Different people have different political views, and it's this way in all countries.
In the U.S., for example, many liberals hate conservative ideas and vice versa. Same thing in Israel. The extreme Left hates the extreme Right, and the other way around.
Both camps think that they have the perfect solution, although neither has ever succeeded when their governments were in power.
But the Israeli Right is not a hated group more than the Israeli Left and both are generally hated by those around the world who hate all Jews, regardless of ideology.
One thing at a time. Don't worry, as long as I'm around, you all live on borrowed time. The "flag of anti semetism" is already waving for hundreds of years.Originally posted by Evgeny
how about the IDF storm into europe and take retribution against the anti-semites. Also if any european fights back the banner of anti-semitism shall be raised.
Newsguy "But the Israeli Right is not a hated group more than the Israeli Left and both are generally hated by those around the world who hate all Jews, regardless of ideology"
I cannot agree. The Israeli right is regarded as far less tolerant, more extremist and much less fair. For these reasons it is regarded with a greater degree of anger and frustration than the left by the world at large.
Of course this is a broad generalisation but do you seriously disagree with this ??
Anti semetic have allways prefered Letics colaborative Jews, the kind that wait for the anti semeitcs, bending over with their pents down.Originally posted by Kapiti
Newsguy "But the Israeli Right is not a hated group more than the Israeli Left and both are generally hated by those around the world who hate all Jews, regardless of ideology"
I cannot agree. The Israeli right is regarded as far less tolerant, more extremist and much less fair. For these reasons it is regarded with a greater degree of anger and frustration than the left by the world at large.
Of course this is a broad generalisation but do you seriously disagree with this ??
We Zionist are not like that. We care for our own, regardless of what the anti semetic world think of it. We will defend our selves even despite the World discomfort over this idea.
Proof of Anti semetism: The world accepts in tolerant Arabs. Ignores Arab goverments official (and private) anti semetic media. Many European countries host with pleasure racist intolerant fundemetalist Arab organizations. "intolerance" was never an issue in Europe. Zionism and winning IDF, is.
Originally posted by Kapiti
I cannot agree. The Israeli right is regarded as far less tolerant, more extremist and much less fair. For these reasons it is regarded with a greater degree of anger and frustration than the left by the world at large.
Only among people like who are going to basically savage Israel for anything it does or doesn't do. You like the Left because you think they're more willing to die for you. That's all.
When was Kahane ever in power? Last I heard he was banned from Knesset before he was assassinated...Originally posted by NewsGuy
What Gilgamesh is saying is correct, but I still don't accept the premise of the thread.
Different people have different political views, and it's this way in all countries.
In the U.S., for example, many liberals hate conservative ideas and vice versa. Same thing in Israel. The extreme Left hates the extreme Right, and the other way around.
Both camps think that they have the perfect solution, although neither has ever succeeded when their governments were in power.
But the Israeli Right is not a hated group more than the Israeli Left and both are generally hated by those around the world who hate all Jews, regardless of ideology.
The thread started "Why does everyone hate the Israeli right?" An important word in the question is "everyone" Obviously he does not literally mean every single last person on the planet but rather what Adversary2Arabs presumably sees as a large number of people.
The idea that the Israeli right is perceived by many to be more inflexible and militaristic and less tolerant and forgiving than the left would be obvious to anyone who had even a cursory idea of Middle Eastern Politics. This perception certainly for some people goes some way to explaining a feeling of antagonism for the Israeli right.
Only those who are so one eyed that they are blind to obvious common sense would not accept this.
Mediocrates - Again striving for irrelevance.
The right is what the right is. That is their nature. Your crticism basically amounts to "the problem with the right is that they are not the left."
Talk about irrelevance....
Hi Kapiti!Originally posted by Kapiti
The thread started "Why does everyone hate the Israeli right?" An important word in the question is "everyone" Obviously he does not literally mean every single last person on the planet but rather what Adversary2Arabs presumably sees as a large number of people.
The idea that the Israeli right is perceived by many to be more inflexible and militaristic and less tolerant and forgiving than the left would be obvious to anyone who had even a cursory idea of Middle Eastern Politics. This perception certainly for some people goes some way to explaining a feeling of antagonism for the Israeli right.
Only those who are so one eyed that they are blind to obvious common sense would not accept this.
Mediocrates - Again striving for irrelevance.
I think I understand where you are coming from, but I also think such an impression is way off the mark. Historically, any peace treaty worth its' salt has been negotiated by a right-wing Israeli. Israeli Arabs know this, which is why many voted for Sharon (as strange as that may seem to Europeans and Americans). There are degrees to everything, and so if you are looking at the far right extremists, then sure, they are a barrier to peace. But then so are the extreme leftists who think that a Jew's place is up on the cross.
The ME is crazy! Seriously, it's crazy. We all love it, but that's because we're all crazy. So unless you think that you can understand crazy people, don't try too hard to analyze it. It will only drive you crazy.
Communication - I respect your style, in the past your research and a couple of new ideas (new to me at least) that you have put forward.
I make these compliments because what I am about to say is not.
The thread title was "Why does everyone hate the Israeli right" Making a comment on what I strongly believe is a very common perception is very much "on the mark" Your comments may all be true but they belong in another thread.
Have another look at my prior posting and tell me whether you believe that much of the anger/hatred in the world for the far right in Israel is because they are seen to be "more inflexible and militaristic and less tolerant and forgiving than the left"
The answer is "Of course"
Mediocrates - My comments on the far right were not intended as criticsm but rather simply an observation. Having problems telling the difference ? Seems to me that you are admitting the far right also is worthy of criticsm.
Having a bad day, Kapiti?Originally posted by Kapiti
Communication - I respect your style, in the past your research and a couple of new ideas (new to me at least) that you have put forward.
I make these compliments because what I am about to say is not.
The thread title was "Why does everyone hate the Israeli right" Making a comment on what I strongly believe is a very common perception is very much "on the mark" Your comments may all be true but they belong in another thread.
Have another look at my prior posting and tell me whether you believe that much of the anger/hatred in the world for the far right in Israel is because they are seen to be "more inflexible and militaristic and less tolerant and forgiving than the left"
The answer is "Of course"
Mediocrates - My comments on the far right were not intended as criticsm but rather simply an observation. Having problems telling the difference ? Seems to me that you are admitting the far right also is worthy of criticsm.
What I said is that I can see where that impression about the Israeli right comes from (mainly the media, propaganda and general notions of what it means to be "left" or "right") but those who think that are way of the mark when you take into account the REALITY of the ME as well as its' HISTORY. So don't take it too personally, I read what you wrote and I didn't mean to imply that YOU were off the mark in pointing out the common perception, just that such impressions about the Israeli right tend to be very simple-minded, and that is why I backed up my point with a specific example involving Begin.
I also take back everything I said; the whole world is crazy, not just the ME.
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