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    Leon Uris
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    Genocide of Hindus and Islamic Fanaticm in Bangladesh

    Between Pakistan, Bangladesh and muslims in India, an islamic force of nearly 500 million muslims is being created that has already exterminated its minority populations in Pakistan and Bangladesh. As they get more virulent and powerful, funded by the anti-semitic (and anti-hindu) hatred of their wahhabbi patrons in Saudia and Pakistan, the danger that Israel Imagine how it would be like when one is subjected to rape, unending torture, forced conversion, discrimination in education and employment, intimidation to practice one's own religious faith, loot, arson and other savageries of worst kind. may one day have to face them (even from 3000 miles away) is not that farfetched.


    http://www.satribune.com/archives/fe...ion_bertil.htm


    Ethnic Cleansing & Rise of Islamic Militancy in Bangladesh

    Bertil Lintner

    IMAGINE how it would be like when 25 million people vanish from a projected population of 39 million. Imagine how it would be like when two and a half million acres of prime land is grabbed from a country smaller in size than the State of Wisconsin.

    Imagine how it would be like when one is subjected to rape, unending torture, forced conversion, discrimination in education and employment, intimidation to practice one's own religious faith, loot, arson and other savageries of worst kind.

    This is the story of the Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, and the ethnic minorities of Bangladesh -- a story of slow genocide , a story of violence and betrayal by their own government, a testament of hard-line Islamic politicking designed to minority cleansing, a continuing saga that has played out since 1947 to the present day Bangladesh.

    Bangladesh has been a fertile ground for bigoted Islamic idealism for a long time. Especially, since 1975 with the assassination of the country's founding father and altering of the constitution, the Islamic Radicalism has been thrust into the political landscape of the country. With enormous financial help from branded terrorists, outlawed regimes, and proponents of Wahabism such as Saudi Arabia, Libya, Iraq, Iran and other renegade terrorist networks.

    Bangladesh has built hundreds of thousands of Mosques and madrassahs that constantly foment violence against non-Muslims and country's progressive groups and cultural institutions. There are 64,000 madrassahs or so called religious schools where the unsuspecting Muslim youths are recruited and trained to be the foot soldiers for a Taliban style Bangladesh. They espouse hate and bigotry against anyone that does not conform to their brand of militant Islam. The infamous American Taliban, John Walker Lindh, was a graduate from one such Madrassah in Pakistan.

    Persecution of minorities in Bangladesh has been a lingering issue for past sixty years with some intermittent reprieves that came along with the changing hands of power. But the aura of minority cleansing never fully subsided. October 2001, when the coalition of Islamic hard-liners swept into power trumpeting their goal to make Bangladesh a pure Islamic Country as their election themes-- brought a new momentum to their hostility towards minorities. They marked their victory with unprecedented and unprovoked attacks on innocent men, women and children belonging to the minority communities.

    The government not only shamelessly failed to provide the country's 15 million ethno-religious minorities any protection against these attacks, but also showed its utter indifference to human life by cowardly aiding in the history's worst savagery. Since then, hundreds of thousands of young girls and women have been abducted and raped, tens of thousands of minority owned homes and businesses have been looted and razed, hundreds of places of worship have been burnt down all across Bangladesh. Women as old as seventy and girls as young seven have not even been spared of their brunt of rape and terror. Abduction of young girls from homes at gunpoint, gang rape, and forced conversions to Islam have been endemic in Bangladesh. (Leon Uris: I will refrain from adding a comment here)

    Prime Minister Khaleda Zia is responsible for this latest cycle of crimes against humanity.
    She has personally orchestrated each and every recent dreadful terror against the minorities with a clear and unambiguous purpose of cleansing the country's minorities to transform it into a Pure Muslim Country. She has used every resource of the government at her disposal to intimidate, terrorize and torture people into either leaving the country or submitting to convert to Islamic extremism. Today, forced conversion to Islam has become a corrosive fodder to the fundamentalists, courtesy of Begum Khaleda Zia.

    It may recall the massacre that took place back in April 1992. The then Prime Minister of the country, Begum Khaleda Zia used her army to systematically murder 600 tribal residents of Logang in Chittagong Hill Tracts, and burned the entire village to the ground. Seven months later, she orchestrated another wave of minority persecution in which 15 minorities were killed, 2,600 women raped, 10,000 injured, 40,000 dwelling houses destroyed, 3, 600 temples damaged/razed and 200,000 rendered homeless. Begum Zia, like her Islamic fundamentalist predecessors has been a mortal danger to pluralistic democracy and the rule of law.

    Recently, while she has deployed armies on the streets to curtail the rights of citizens, to take prisoner of political rivals and human rights activists, to stifle the voices of progressive thinkers and journalists on vital national issues such as human rights, freedom of religion. she has allowed Bangladesh to become a cocoon of terror, a hub for international terrorism.It is an established fact that Bangladesh now harbors and supports international terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda and Harkat-ul-Jihad. Fighters trained and given new identities in Bangladesh routinely find their ways to conflicts throughout the world and are wrecking havoc everywhere.

    These are worrisome developments for Bangladesh, the world and for the entire humanity.

    With the government's active encouragement the fundamentalists have often revealed their ugly fangs by perpetrating terrors on Bangladesh's most vulnerable citizens, the minorities. We believe the initiative to correct the great miscarriage of justice, to right the decades of wrongs committed by the Islamic Zealots must come, first and foremost, from the citizens of Bangladesh who believe in peace, freedom and justice by forming a united resistance against militant Islam in the country.

    In the same vein I remind the International Community that Bangladesh has willfully violated all International Laws and Conventions that specifically address the Human Rights and Freedom of Religion Issues. Today, throughout the world terror has cast its ugly spells on life and liberty- the very things the civilized world pride itself upon. And persecution of minorities in Bangladesh is certainly an inseparable phenomenon of global terror because the terrorist networks responsible for this are also global.

    They are linked together with a common purpose to exterminate anyone not subscribing to their brand of religion. History has taught us, time and again, that cowering into inaction when terror manifest itself is at civilization's own great peril. It challenge the civilized nations to heed the history's call to actions against the plague of Islamic Jihad.

    All along it has demanded retribution and justice for all sufferings, to repatriate and compensate victims of forced exodus. In 2001, Prime Minister Khaleda Zia, promised the nation to investigate the carnage and to rehabilitate the victims. Two years elapsed since she has predictably failed to deliver on her promise, for she is a player in that "axis of terror". It has demanded the government to restore the original constitution of Bangladesh by repealing the 5th (Introducing Islam to the Constitution) and 8th (Declaring Islam as the State Religion) Amendments the two very divisive issues that took away 'Equal Rights' and destroyed the moral fabric of the nation.

    Prime Minister Khaleda Zia has shown no indication of changing course, let alone acting on this. Rather she has partnered with the Islamic hard-liners and the proponents of these discriminatory laws and publicly professed her desire to make Bangladesh a pure Islamic Country. Her newfound majority in the parliament is only an added incentive for her and her partners in Islamic Jihad to make their bigoted dream come true. It has also demanded the repeal of "Enemy Property Act" or "Vested Property Law" of 1965 from the constitution, under which the country's minorities have been dispossessed of more than 2.5 million acres of prime land. Legislation was passed in the parliament by the Awami-League Government, providing a ray of hope, to end this dreaded episode of grabbing of our lands. But the new government of Khaleda Zia, scuttled the entire legislation through various administrative maneuvers even before the law took effect. She failed this time too. Trusting her again would further jeopardize the minorities of Bangladesh.

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    Leon Uris
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    Continued from previous post


    It is time to place BD minority demand to the world community. It is no longer can accept this continuing saga of being treated as aliens, hounded and hunted by Islamic radicals, in our own land. It has endured enough pain and sufferings, sustained huge loss of lives to warrant the world's attention toward a just, equitable and permanent solution to the tone of what was worked out in Bosnia and East Timor for its' minorities.

    Today, It is confronted with a grave challenge, a challenge to BD minority own existence, a challenge to the world community as to what kind of civilization it will usher in for the generations that will follow us. We are confident about our resolve to meet this challenge and any challenge head on. We remain hopeful that the world community will take up the issue and adequately respond to this human rights crisis.

    Finally, the rise of militant Islam in Bangladesh is a 'menace' to our lives and an 'overcast' on our civilization. We must defeat this menacing face of terror and fundamentalism and defeat we will. So long there is violation of human rights, anyone's rights.We will continue to inform and challenge the world community. To that end, as a Nobel Laureate, the bravest of all, our pride, Rabindra Nath Tagore proclaimed more than a hundred years ago, we say: "Into that heaven of freedom, my Father, let my country awake".

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    andak01
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    Re: Genocide of Hindus and Islamic Fanaticm in Bangladesh

    Originally posted by Leon Uris
    Imagine how it would be like when one is subjected to rape, unending torture, forced conversion, discrimination in education and employment, intimidation to practice one's own religious faith, loot, arson and other savageries of worst kind.[/B] may one day have to face them (even from 3000 miles away) is not that farfetched.
    It would take imagination, because in truth, although there are examples of oppression among the 100s of millions of Muslims, they are NOT the norm. None of my Indian friends (Yes, some of them are Hindi) tells me of growing up in constant fear. In fact, I had a Hindi in my home over the weekend who said the Arabic coffee I gave him reminded him of his home in South India where there is a large Muslim population. What you are saying is a gross exaggeration of the facts, a gross exaggeration that you insist on repeating over and over.

    I tell you quite simply there can be no Muslim nation where rape is part of the national policy. Rape is a crime punishable by death in Islam. It is not in any way excused. Christians, Muslims and Jews commit rape. It is a crime generally punishable by death in all societies. Your implication that a government is involved in systematic rape is vile and you had better come up with some very specific statistics to prove it.

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    Leon Uris
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    What you are saying is a gross exaggeration of the facts, a gross exaggeration that you insist on repeating over and over.

    I tell you quite simply there can be no Muslim nation where rape is part of the national policy. Rape is a crime punishable by death in Islam. It is not in any way excused. Christians, Muslims and Jews commit rape. It is a crime generally punishable by death in all societies. Your implication that a government is involved in systematic rape is vile and you had better come up with some very specific statistics to prove it.

    The comment below is made by Bertil Lintner, the author of the article. Kindly direct your comments to him. As for rape not being a state policy in a muslim country, I am going to dig up whatever articles I can. As far as your knowledge of "hindi" goes, it shows your ignorance.

    Hindi - is a language
    Hindu - is a religion

    And, in defence of your statement that Rape is not a government policy is islamic states (in this case, Bangladesh), YOU QUOTE YOUR "ALLEGED" HINDI FRIENDS. AND THAT CONSITUTES SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE OF YOUR VERSION.

    BUT, ME THE HINDU, I HAVE TO PROVIDE STATISTICS.




    http://www.satribune.com/archives/f...nion_bertil.htm


    Ethnic Cleansing & Rise of Islamic Militancy in Bangladesh

    Bertil Lintner

    IMAGINE how it would be like when 25 million people vanish from a projected population of 39 million. Imagine how it would be like when two and a half million acres of prime land is grabbed from a country smaller in size than the State of Wisconsin.

    Imagine how it would be like when one is subjected to rape, unending torture, forced conversion, discrimination in education and employment, intimidation to practice one's own religious faith, loot, arson and other savageries of worst kind.

    Again, the original article was posted by Bertil Lintner. If you believe it is a lie, kindly take your comments to him.
    Last edited by Leon Uris; 05-16-2003 at 08:06 AM.

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    Leon Uris
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    More from Bertil Lintner:

    http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/b...extremism1.htm


    Religious Extremism and Nationalism in Bangladesh

    Part One

    By Bertil Lintner



    Other books by Bertil Lintner:

    http://www.addall.com/Browse/Author/2396591-1



    http://bangladeshhumanity.freeservers.com/religiou.html
    Amnesty International reported in December 2001 that Hindus - who now make up less than 10% of Bangladesh's population of 130 million – in particular have come under attack. Hindu places of worship have been ransacked, villages destroyed and scores of Hindu women are reported to have been raped.


    http://www.albd.org/humanright/ai/01122001attacks.htm

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    andak01
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    Let's look at the facts. Here is the Amnesty International report on Human Rights in Bangladesh. In fact we do find rape mentioned. Millions of rapes? Thousands? Hundreds?

    http://web.amnesty.org/web/ar2002.ns...3!OpenDocument
    Following the elections, hundreds of Hindu families were reportedly subjected to violent attacks, including rape, beatings and the burning of their property.

    I.E. among the hundreds, there were violent attacks including rape in SOME cases. We are not told how many, one would be too much.

    Farther down in the article, we find.

    Three women from the Jumma minority were allegedly raped in May by army personnel; no one was known to have been brought to justice.

    Three more.

    And later.

    Women continued to be subjected to violent attacks, including rape.

    Women are subject to violent attacks including rape in every society. What Amnesty International is decrying is that the perpetrators go free. Given that rape is a capital offense in Shari'a, even the strictest of Muslims would decry a laxness of the law as well.

    http://www.rainn.org/stats.html
    Between 1995 and 1996, more than 670,000 women were the victim of rape,attempted rape or sexual assault. [National Crime Victimization Survey.Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1997.

    http://www.multied.com/nationbynatio...opulation.html
    The estimated population of Bangladesh, as of July 2001, is 131,269,860.

    So, according to Amnesty International, some hundreds of women have been raped in a population of over 131 million over a short period. It becomes evident that the issue is lack of response by the government of Bangladesh, not a sub-human Muslim propensity towards rape.
    Last edited by andak01; 05-16-2003 at 08:29 AM.

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    andak01
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    IMAGINE how it would be like when 25 million people vanish from a projected population of 39 million.
    I am trying to imagine how a pogram larger than the stalinist purges and the Holocaust put together could go unnoticed by the world. How could we have missed such a thing? Is is realistic to think that we did? That we would put the mere million killed in Rwanda above the 25 million of Bangladesh?

    I can accurately state that scores of women are subjected to violent attacks and rape every year in America. Nobody would think of attributing such rape to the predominant religion. Why does that somehow change when we are talking about Muslims?The answer is, logically, it doesn't.
    Last edited by andak01; 05-16-2003 at 08:47 AM.

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    Leon Uris
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    andak: Rape occurs everywhere. Whereever there is man, there is going to be this bestialilty against women.


    What is happening in Bangladesh is not an isolated incident such as the Gujarat riots, where muslim women were raped by hindu rioters in retaliation for the train burning of 59 hindu men, women and children.

    What is happening in Bangladesh is the systematic use of rape and murder as an instrument of state policy for a SUSTAINED period of time.


    It is very clear to me that no matter the evidence, you will never acknowledge atrocities committed by muslims, simply because the perpetrators share the same faith as you.

    Neither is that my intent. I come to this forum not to address the likes of you and reason, who will never admit to such gross crimes by muslims. I come here to talk and interact with the Jews of Israel. Your comments are relevant only to the extent that I will refute your lies.

    But your continued denial of what is happening in Bangladesh, which is a slow genocide against its hindus, tells me exactly how much my life and dignity mean to you muslims. ZERO.

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    Leon Uris
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    I am trying to imagine how a pogram larger than the stalinist purges and the Holocaust put together could go unnoticed by the world. How could we have missed such a thing? Is is realistic to think that we did? That we would put the mere million killed in Rwanda above the 25 million of Bangladesh ?

    Very typical islamic denials. Very reminiscent of muslims who in the same sentence deny the Holocaust and then turn around and accuse the Israelis of being Nazis.


    You first deny any genocide of hindus in Bangladesh and then turn around and try to obfuscate the issue by bringing Rwanda while ACKNOWLEDGING the 25 million dead and raped hindus of Bangladesh.

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    Originally posted by Leon Uris
    [BIt is very clear to me that no matter the evidence, you will never acknowledge atrocities committed by muslims, simply because the perpetrators share the same faith as you.[/B]

    It's not their job to do that.

    PS - I read the article and it's not clear to me what that number refers to.

    PPS - the SA times is an equal opportunity critic. they appear to have as much to say about the "Indian occupation" of various places as well.

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    andak01
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    I was quoting Lintner, with absolute incredulity! Is anyone else here aware of something over 4 times bigger than the Holocaust happening in Bangladesh???

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    andak01
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    Originally posted by Mediocrates
    It's not their job to do that.
    It's not my job to allow HUMONGOUS exaggerations to go unchallenged. For example, Saddam Hussein killed thousands of Iraqis during his reign. He was not Hitler, and those thousands were not millions, or in this case 25 millions.

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    Leon Uris
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    PS - I read the article and it's not clear to me what that number refers to.

    PPS - the SA times is an equal opportunity critic. they appear to have as much to say about the "Indian occupation" of various places as well.

    Mediocrates. The numbers are probably since 1947. Ethnic cleansing of hindus did not start yesterday or even a decade ago. It started in 1947 in what was then East Pakistan.

    Muslims are being incredulous. Why? Sheer numbers. How is it possible to murder four times the number of jews in the Holocaust without notice? Why not? Unlike the Jews of Israel, we idiot hindus have been a fragmented lot. Even today, we do not highlight even the recent atrocities committed against hindus in Bangladesh.

    The number very credibly can be in the tens of millions. In 1971 alone, the Pakistani army slaughtered approximately 3,000,000 in the span of a few short months. Mostly hindus.


    In terms of being an equal opportunity critic ("Indian Occupation"), I have no problems with that. Does that not give SATribune even more credence??

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    andak01
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    Originally posted by Leon Uris
    In terms of being an equal opportunity critic ("Indian Occupation"), I have no problems with that. Does that not give SATribune even more credence?? [/B]
    Actually, it points out that the conflict has two sides. Suppose the German newspapers started running stories about an American led massacre of Germans in the 1940s and failed to mention that there was a war at the time. I've watched this same thing being done with the situation in the Sudan and with accounts of the founding of Saudi Arabia. Both of those are massive civil wars with large casualties on both sides. The Turks in the case of the Saudi conflict and the Christians in the case of the Sudan conflict have the ear of the Western media and so get their own stories accepted more readily. However, neither side can give us an earnest account by themselves. The truth almost certainly falls somewhere in the middle. As I have pointed out, in the case of Sudan, three of the four armies involved in the conflict stand accused of flagrant human rights violations. The fourth is the exiled Muslim army, fighting against the National Army.

    I am not as familiar with the situation in Bangladesh, but will attempt to get up to speed as much as my schedule allows.

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    Leon Uris
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    Yet, no such two sides are considered when the non-muslim world reacts to islamic atrocities.

    Why do you think that the followers of virtually every religion hold islam in contempt and fear and hatred?

    Is such hatred solely based on ignorance or the acts of muslims?

    What have muslims done to understand the aspirations of its non-muslims citizenry?

    The world over, islamic countries have ruthlessly eliminated their non-muslim citizenry.

    Exception such as the hindus of bali (in Indonesia) come to mind. And the only reason that they are exceptions is because they do not take atrocities lying down. They vigorously defend themselves, and two eyes for one eye is what they believe in.

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