Originally posted by abu afak
You just make up stuff .. as usual/
You make -0- sense.. quote no sources, for your 'Beauties.
The USSR did not function well for all it's people and that's why they wanted and eventually got independence.
It held together, as I said, for the Same Reason Yugoslavia did..
Same as Iraq.
"Mesopotamia"! ... Huh?!$^%$#$%
Mesopotamia has come and gone.. yes .. the rivers are still there, but the Babylonians, Assyrians, and Sumerians, are Not.
They were even all long gone before the Arab Conquest 2 Thousand years later. ..
Give Iraqiâ€™s Their Autonomy
By Chuck Diaz
Since the American Revolution, the purpose of war has been a fight for freedom. Our forefathers declared freedom as an Americanâ€™s unalienable right. And as such, have inspired our outlook on protecting or gaining freedom and other human rights for a variety of countries.
The Iraqi conflict isnâ€™t much different. Though there are many factors contributing to U.S. involvement and the desire to oust Saddam Hussein, the underlying result is freedom of oppression for the Iraqi people.
Weâ€™ve heard over and over again that the â€œissueâ€ isnâ€™t with the Iraqi people, but with the regime in power. So what do the Iraqi people really want? If they were to help us overthrow the current government without a war, what would take its place? Who would be in control?
Looking back in history, itâ€™s clear that there really isnâ€™t an â€œIraqi Peopleâ€. After WWI France and Britain arbitrarily divided the spoilsâ€“ France taking over Lebanon and Syria and Britain gaining the former provinces of the Turkish Ottoman Empire, which ultimately became Iraq. The region was made up of the three former provinces of the Ottoman Empire, each with its own religion, culture and way of life that was not necessarily compatible with neighboring provinces. The three provinces that formed Iraq were controlled by tribes, the Sunniâ€™s, the Shiaâ€™s and the Kurds.
The Shiaâ€™s and the Sunniâ€™s have hated each other since the year 609. During the debate about the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, each province was led to believe that they would gain autonomy over their own kingdom. The West was content to believe that these Eastern peoples would cooperate and go along with the new boundaries imposed by the greater powers.
The Brits even decided to install a king, King Faisal, who was a friend of Britain and pledged to be loyal. Britain went so far as to encourage Arab nationalism to help diminish the power of the Ottoman Empire. However, this new Iraqi constituency didnâ€™t necessarily even know they were Iraqi and most did not hold any loyalty to the West.
As time passed no Iraqi nationalism was born. In 1921, Winston Churchill visited Cairo to investigate and saw that all was out of control. He realized the Turks had never dominated these people in all their time of trying and Britain was not having much success either.
In order to control these varying peoples, King Faisal resorted to military control and British military occupation. However, in 1932 a coup liberated Iraq from British command and established an independent nation. Control was once again established by Britain and King Faisal returned to power. When King Faisal died in 1933 his son took over and though he was more anti-Britain, he wasnâ€™t a good politician. He died shortly thereafter, leaving the throne to an infant son, King Faisal II. The regent installed to act in place of the young king was pro-British, but again, the army was not. The army led another coup under the leader Rashad Ali who formed his own government and announced allegiance to Germany. Once again, Britain stepped in and squelched that rebellion. So peace was once again demanded and Iraq was back to a Britain-friendly role, but the country was still full of a discontented people who saw their sovereignty of their kingdoms demolished. There was much inequity amongst the tribes.
In 1956 the Baghdad Pact with Britain, Turkey, Pakistan and Iran was signed. Shortly after, in 1958 King Faisal II was murdered along with the rest of the royal family by army officers who wanting to start their own republic. The break with Britain was now permanent.
That brings us almost up to date with the Kurds, Shias, and Sunnis still not altogether an â€œIraqi People.â€
That is why it is an error to say Saddam Hussein gassed his own people. In his mind the Kurds are not â€œhis people.â€ The people of the region come from an ancestry hundreds of years old. The League of Nations created Iraq to secure oil for Britain and France and in 1932 Iraq was admitted to the League of Nations. To keep these people under a single ruler whether it is a democracy or dictatorship assumes the UN and the rest of the world have that right to do so.
So what should the EU and US do to bring peace to the area after ousting Saddam Hussein? With infighting amongst themselves, most are not pro-Hussein government. Hussein is a Sunni, a people who are the fewest in number. But Sunniâ€™s, Shiaâ€™s and Kurds are the people that we must rely upon in hopes of a coup to disintegrate the current regime. And if not, those we must continue relations with once a war is won.
So what do the people in the region want? Same thing theyâ€™ve always wanted, autonomy of their kingdoms, the way it was before the Ottoman Empire.
Why donâ€™t we give it to them this time?
The present Iraq should be divided into three separate countries....