Who are the Jews of Yesha?

[Mediocrates]

I bet you proPal, blind to terror, morally equivalent largely indifferent to the deaths of Jews Anti's think you know who the Jews of Yesha are, don't you? I bet you think of them as fanatics, crude zealots. Sure you do. Well I came across this. And I thought I would share it with you.

http://www.geocities.com/m_yericho/yishuvim.htm

It divides the region into 8 areas and lists the communities in each region including population and 'type' such as religious, non religious and so on. One of the first things you will notice that nearly all of the communities with more than a few hundred people are significantly further WEST of Jerusalem.

It lists 82 religious communities , 90 non religious, mixed or urban and 9 are NA.

38 communities have more than 1000 people. 5 have more than 10000 people.

This leaves 143 communities of less than 1000 people each.

You can click on many of the sites and if you do you will see, particularly in the Gush, small communities indistinguishable from what might be the suburban housing development you yourself live in today.

If they were stucco and built on hillsides the 300 or so houses in my development would fit naturally there altough many of the communities have more or a West-Mex-Santa Fe look of them.

That's your invasion, your occupation. You should be embarassed and then ashamed of yourselves.

[Kapiti]

Originally posted by Mediocrates
I bet you proPal, blind to terror, morally equivalent largely indifferent to the deaths of Jews Anti's think you know who the Jews of Yesha are, don't you? I bet you think of them as fanatics, crude zealots. Sure you do. Well I came across this. And I thought I would share it with you.
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[Kapiti]

So this forum is fine for you to make absolutely no point but one of your rantings and ravings but when this pointed out you delete the response.

Is this your embarrasment ??

Explain what is the point of posting if it is not more of your jewish propaganda.

Is it that Jewish fanatics and zealots (your words) can live in normal houses.

Gees thankyou very much for pointing this out.

Wonderful forum if the only postings you allow are those which support your one sided point of view.

[MichaelC]

Originally posted by Kapiti
So this forum is fine for you to make absolutely no point but one of your rantings and ravings but when this pointed out you delete the response.

Is this your embarrasment ??

Explain what is the point of posting if it is not more of your jewish propaganda.

Is it that Jewish fanatics and zealots (your words) can live in normal houses.

Gees thankyou very much for pointing this out.

Wonderful forum if the only postings you allow are those which support your one sided point of view.

I was minding my own business, reading another thread when I heard some shrill and bizarre shrieking from another forum. When I dropped in and saw who it was, I understood right away, considering the source. I imagaine we'll hear more as the morning wears on.

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by MichaelC
I was minding my own business, reading another thread when I heard some shrill and bizarre shrieking from another forum. When I dropped in and saw who it was, I understood right away, considering the source. I imagaine we'll hear more as the morning wears on.

*LOL*

[Kapiti]

MichaelC - Many thanks. When Mediocrates (presumably or his other right winged mates) tries to censor out my post he will have to delete yours, which quotes it in full.

I think this post will go nowhere. For Mediocrates after more than 5,000 postings and having dragged up and distorted everything even remotely relevant he is now dragging up the totally mundane and boring. The quality of housing of the Jewish settlements.

And this is supposed to mean something.

Get a life !

[Mediocrates]

Kapiti

That's right and I will continue to do so. Your post was an insult to me personally and I have decided to develop as thin a skin as you and the people here like you who complain and whine like little children that anyone dare say anything about your personal insults and curses.

If you don't like having a standard I would impose on 9 year olds then I suggest you find another sandbox to play in. This forum is for grown ups.

It is with the utmost patience I don't have you removed outright because I'm willing to believe that you can suddenly develop some maturity. If that's beyond you and all you want is a blog for your Tourette's Syndrome you will told to go find one.

[minusthejihad]

Kapiti,

If anyone is more in need of a life, ITs YOU!

You're neither Jewish nor Palestinian, but some chump in Australia with an Opinion. Well you know what they say opinions, they're just like ..... and everyone has one.

What, you have nothing better to do than to spout your hatred here? Go away troll.

[Mediocrates]

But we should not allow the unmedicated to distract us. The key points are:

Most 'settlements' are secular
Most 'settlements' are west of Jerusalem or suburbs of Jerusalem
Most 'settlements' are tiny
Most 'settlements' have displaced no one

Look Hevron - always in the news and always under attack. 450 people. Ooooh scary!! But the large town Kiryat Arba is in fact miles outside of Hevron an in the middle of nowhere. If terrorists weren't engaged in a full time campaign of wanton murder there would be no need for any of the check points around Kiryat Arba, for example.

The simple and obvious fact is that nearly all of the 9% population of Yesha is made up of small urban-suburban secular communities near or alongside major Jewish metropolitan areas. And even this is intolerable to the Palestinians who make up 20% of the population on the other side of the Green Line.

Tell you what, we'll trade you all of the smaller communities, making up about one third of the total headcount in Yesha for a 1/3rd total headcount reduction of Palestinian Arabs. That would work out to a 3:1 ratio but the Pals get nearly all of the 'settlement' land they want.

[Communication]

Originally posted by Mediocrates
Tell you what, we'll trade you all of the smaller communities, making up about one third of the total headcount in Yesha for a 1/3rd total headcount reduction of Palestinian Arabs. That would work out to a 3:1 ratio but the Pals get nearly all of the 'settlement' land they want.

I had lunch with an Arab guy when I was in Israel. Yes, this too happens! He stopped me at one point when I referred to him as an Israeli Arab and told me that he considers himself a Palestinian Arab. (Granted, this was during the intifada and emotions were on high for everyone). At that point, I asked him whether he would consider it a good thing to swap some Arab Israeli villages for some of the Jewish settlements, with the Arab Israeli villages becoming a part of a newly formed Palestinian state. He got really upset with me and started to say that I supported ethnic cleansing and that I was a racist for making such a suggestion.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by Kapiti
Wonderful forum if the only postings you allow are those which support your one sided point of view.

Kapiti,

Many of your anti-Israel posts are easy to find here, so please...

Anyway, I wanted to respond to a point that you made whereby you were, as usual, blaming the Jewish victims of Arab terrorism for the situation. I think that the point that you made was that the Jews were to blame for Arab terrorism, because the Jewish settlers dared to raise their families in the Jewish homeland -- something that is apparently worthy of being slaughtered for in your opinion.

I wonder if you also think that the 200 Australian victims of Islamic terrorism in Bali were also to blame for daring to vacation in a predominantly Muslim country?

For what I understand your position to be, anyone who dares to be found in territory that is being claimed by Muslims (whether or not under dispute) should be murdered by Islamists. Is that right, Kapiti?

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by Communication
I had lunch with an Arab guy ... He got really upset with me and started to say that I supported ethnic cleansing and that I was a racist for making such a suggestion.

Very good point.

I've also noticed that for many Arabs and their anti-Semitic supporters, it's perfectly fine to ethically cleanse Israel of its Jewish citizens. But even the suggestion of doing the very same thing with Arabs is considered a Crime Against Humanity. The hypocrisy is overwhelming.

[localbrew]

What does anti-Semitic mean?

[Kapiti]

Mediocrates
To suggest that a swap of Arab Israelis out of Israel for an equal swap of Jews out of Palestine is ludicrous because it equates the rights of the Jews to the Palestinian land to the rights of the Arab Israelis to the Israeli land. The Israeli Arabs earnt their right to live there because they had been living there for countless generations in most areas in a comprehensive majority. The Israeli Jews earnt their “perceived” right to the West Bank and Palestine by invading it, taking control and injecting settlements. Any Jews with a generational background in the West Bank and Gaza were always a substantial minority within the region.

This may be equal to the fanatics but it is not to the rest of the world.

If most means more than 50 percent then I would not argue against the points

Most 'settlements' are secular
Most 'settlements' are west of Jerusalem or suburbs of Jerusalem
Most 'settlements' are tiny
Most 'settlements' have displaced no one

But this really counts for nothing because these settlements have no right to exist in land given to the Palestinians by the same authority which gives Israel good title.

You want a trade why not make it a fair one.

All the Jews who were kicked out of the West Bank and Gaza after 1948 should have fair right of return. Equally all the Palestinians kicked out of Israel at the same time have an equal right of return. You want hypocrisy I’ll show it to you. All those who say the Jews should have rights to return to live in the WB and G but who deny the Palestinians right of return to live in Israel.

Mediocrates Your position has previously been stated that in your opinion if there was ten times the settlers in the WB and G then the problem would be different because moving them would be impractical. Numbers on the ground or something like that was your expression.

Everyone with at least half a brain (Sharonn scrapes in) knows that it is an occupation and eventually it will end and the Palestinians will end up with a home land and autonomy to some degree. When the real peace settlement takes place however having Jewish numbers in the WB and G (who give up their land) will be traded for reduced numbers of Arabs been allowed back into Israel or more of the WB and G land being able to kept as part of Israel.

Your government knows this well which is why it encourages and protects the jewish settlements. Your government also knows that these settlements inflame the Arab population making genuine settlement negotiations more difficult and prolonged. The more prolonged the more settlers move in. It works well for them.

Newsguy
Firstly happily declare me anti-Israeli right wing but that is all.

Australians killed in Bali were welcome visitors by the very substantial majority of the population and made no claim to taking control over any part of the island during their visit.

Contrast this with the fact that the Jewish settlers are unwelcome visitors attempting to take control over many parts of the WB and Gaza.

Your suggestion that there is any similarity is laughable.

[Mediocrates]

But at least we're talking kiss noise. Just don't forget that 9% is intolerable to you. So is 3% so is 50 Jews so is one. A Jew Free Palestine that stretches from Cyprus to Amman is what your want.