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Maybe I just forgot how to read or something, or perhaps you made a typo but that statement is just B.S. as it stands.Originally posted by Mil
.....being the nation that single-handedly defeated Hitler and an is almost solely responsible for saving the world from the Nazis. That's a fact.
MichaelC please accept it with understanding.Originally posted by MichaelC
The following statement was made with regards to Russia:
Maybe I just forgot how to read or something, or perhaps you made a typo but that statement is just B.S. as it stands.
You see, just like Palestinian/Arab textbooks revised history, USSR used to have it's own revision of history.
Just nod and smile.
Duh, sometimes I be slow on the uptake.Originally posted by porcupine
MichaelC please accept it with understanding.
You see, just like Palestinian/Arab textbooks revised history, USSR used to have it's own revision of history.
Just nod and smile.
I know it's a heavy responsibility that certainly not everyone can handle, especially not a country like USSR was. Do you even realize that USSR was a dictatorship?Originally posted by Mil
This is not an ethical question. Do you know what nation-building is all about?
That's a lie that USSR has sold you and because there was nothing else to buy in the stores, you bought it.Russia did rebuild and stabalized Eastern Europe - that's a fact.
That's USSR propaganda.Yep. I can think of many-many-many things that I can put on that resume. Specifically being the nation that single-handedly defeated Hitler and an is almost solely responsible for saving the world from the Nazis. That's a fact.
Why do you love Russia so much?
Posted by MichaelC:
Maybe I just forgot how to read or something, or perhaps you made a typo but that statement is just B.S. as it stands.
I stand by my words on this one.
Posted by porcupine:
That's USSR propaganda.
No dude, unfortunately that's a historical truth. We can discuss WWII as much as you want but unfortunately this is not the place.
Why do you love Russia so much?
It's a great country. And very soon it will be US's number one friend.
I just entered into some sort of parallel universe right?
Up is down, black is white, andak admits that islam has problems!
Bizarre historical revisionism is running rampant in this thread and I sense a lull before the storm which is about to dowse a certain educationally challenged poster.
Posted by MichaelC:
Bizarre historical revisionism is running rampant in this thread and I sense a lull before the storm which is about to dowse a certain educationally challenged poster.
You can't revise the real history.
Here is topic that is an often under reported/discussed fact of World War 2
In WW2 there were 6 main world powers engaged.
United States of America
United Kingdom
Germany
Russia
China
Japan
By what seems to be an act of divine providence the two truly good nations in the mix, US and UK, didn’t have to fight the evil nations of Germany, Russia, China and Japan in combination. Had these evil nations combined forces against the US and UK the outcome of WW2 could have been very different. Fortunately 2/3 of Germany’s soldiers where busy killing Russians and 2/3 of Japan forces were busy killing Chinese. This helped to sap the strength of the evil nations of Russia and China while simultaneously giving the United States and the United Kingdom easier win over Germany and Japan resulting in the current balance of power in the world today.
Historically the worst nations to fight against are Western nations. When two western nations clash the results are very bloody and destructive because Western nations have historically fielded the best armies.
Given Europe conflict history I don’t think we should encourage them to redevelop a true projective military capability. I like them as the pacifist police force they are today, nice and safe. While its no fun being the worlds policeman its better than the potential of an armed conflict with another western power.
Here is topic that is an often under reported/discussed fact of World War 2
Posted by SteveMatch:
By what seems to be an act of divine providence the two truly good nations in the mix, US and UK,
Given that UK played a very active role of causing WWII.
didn’t have to fight the evil nations of Germany, Russia, China and Japan in combination.
The history is very interesting. I recommend you read "Grand Dillusion" by Gabriel Gorodetsky. ]
Had these evil nations combined forces against the US and UK the outcome of WW2 could have been very different.
Why would USSR side with Germany against GB?
Fortunately 2/3 of Germany’s soldiers where busy killing Russians
Actually it's over 85% of the Germans and 70% of the Axis involved in USSR. The Axis were quite numerous and often forgotten: Italy, Romania, Hungary, Austria, Finland, Bulgaria, Croatia and various Waffen SS division composed of volunteers all over Europe. Even Spain sent divisions into Russia.
and 2/3 of Japan forces were busy killing Chinese.
At the end it was the Soviets who took care of the entire Kwantung Army in the matter of two weeks.
This helped to sap the strength of the evil nations of Russia and China while simultaneously giving the United States and the United Kingdom easier win over Germany
US and UK entered the real fighting after it became really obvious which direction the war would go. When the allies entered Italy Germans were on full strategic retreat in USSR.
and Japan resulting in the current balance of power in the world today
At the end it turned out that the Soviets have destroyed, captured, and routed more Japanese then the allies did during the entire compaign. The Kwantung army, which you put at 2/3 of the entire Japanese stuck, was in reality a 1 mllion strong force which Soviets have destoroyed in the matter of two weeks.
By SteveMatch:
Historically the worst nations to fight against are Western nations. When two western nations clash the results are very bloody and destructive because Western nations have historically fielded the best armies.
Historically it were the Western European nations and Germany that took the world through both World Wars and were the main culprits.
Given Europe conflict history I don’t think we should encourage them to redevelop a true projective military capability.
Actually given the history of European conflicts and how they were caused we should strongly encourage those idiots to keep their nose out of politics. US came to the rescue of the continent twice and twice has sacraficed its soldiers and committed immesurable resources rebuilding European countries.
I like them as the pacifist police force they are today, nice and safe.
I would prefer they limit their own exercise of advice-making to themselves. Actually the exclusion of France and Germany from political decision making process in the Middle East is what got them really pissed. I think our leaders pretty much agree with my opinion as to the validity of European capabilities on the political front.
While its no fun being the worlds policeman its better than the potential of an armed conflict with another western power.
US would never-never-never fight Europe only if in economic wars.
Do the words "Ribentrop-Molotov pact" ring a bell?Originally posted by Mil
Why would USSR side with Germany against GB?
Posted by Mercury:
Do the words "Ribentrop-Molotov pact" ring a bell?
Till about winter of 41 or a few month prior to Barbarossa Stalin was not sure of who was his real enemy - Britain or Germany. Out of the latter two it was Britain and France that have openly threatened military action against USSR since 1937. After the fall of France Stalin's real fear was that it would be Britain that would combine forces with Germany against USSR.
Actually in the years of 1938-1939 both the allies and the Soviets were pushing for agreenment guarantees from Germany as in regards to what will happen. Seriously READ.
mm believe me no one here is going to best Mil over WWII... you'd better give up and go back to Iraq...
Yehudi I would did look over what you wrote on the European presence in Iraq - give me some time to respond. I got tons of work....
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