Gadaffi envisions bi-national 'Isratine'????!!!

[Isiah 2:4]

Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi has published a "white book" outlining his ideas for a resolution of the Middle East conflict. Gaddafi's plan for a bi-national Jewish-Muslim state, to be called "Israstine," is presented on a Hebrew language website in an attempt to promote his vision for peace directly to the Israeli public.

According to the website, Gaddafi's Israstine state would be based on the following basic principles:

Return of Palestinian refugees to their land
A multi-national state, based on the Lebanese model
Free elections, under UN supervision
Joint Jewish-Palestinian parliament
Total dismantling of weapons in Middle East

"The area is narrow, there is not enough space for two states," the website quotes Gaddafi as saying. "The two states will continue to fight each other because they each view the land as their own and each nation feels threatened by the other. The solution calls for co-existence and economic integration between the two sides."

According to Gaddafi, his plan would not only resolve the current Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but would restore calm to the entire Middle East, "This will bring an end to the conflict in the Middle East. The state will be recognized, like Lebanon, and will participate in Arab League meetings," he stated.

The plan postulates that the formation of Israstine would best ensure safety for its citizens, both Jewish and Muslim. "A separate Jewish State poses an Arab and Moslem target, but a joint Jewish-Muslim state will not be attacked by Muslims or Arabs," the Libyan leader said.

"The [proposed] solution is a culmination of existing realities and historical trends. The new state's infrastructure will allow both Palestinians and Israelis to live in complete freedom. Those who refer to the West Bank as holy land can live and travel there freely and nothing will prevent those who choose to call it Judea and Samaria," Gaddafi stated.

"This way things will return to their natural cycle, bringing an end to oppression because there is no historical enmity between Jews and Arabs. The conflict has been between Jews and the Romans, in ancient times, and Jews and the Europeans in the modern period," Gaddafi said.

Gaddafi defended his choice of names for the proposed state, against would-be objectors. "There may be opposition to the name 'Israstine.' This opposition is not productive, superficial and very damaging. People who object are over sensitive and illogical.

An aide to Gaddafi told Yediot Aharonot that the creation of the Hebrew language website would "give the people of Israel the opportunity to visit Gaddafi's site and read his writings. It's important that the Israelis read the book themselves, in their own language."

Visitors to the site noted that the Hebrew used was full of colorful grammatical and spelling errors.

Despite the Libyan leader's attempt to reach out to Israel, Gaddafi aides said that there would be no change in the status between the two nations. "There is no change in Libyan policy toward Israel, and no call for opening formal or informal channels of communication with her."

From Israel Insider http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en....y&enVersion=0&

[Mediocrates]

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/ne...hp3?artid=8420

Goodbye Zion, Hello Canaan
Idea of a single Arab-Jewish state is gaining steam on the left.
Jonathan Mark - Associate Editor

Surrender is usually less about treason than about exhaustion, and the Jews are an exhausted people. After centuries of being killed, there are Jews suggesting we die not with a bang but a whimper. Better to live in Canaan than in Zion; better intermarriage than to be thought intolerant; better oblivion than being eaten alive.

[danholo]

If Israel doesn't disengage from the territories as soon as possible this will be the inevitable result. Israel, as a Jewish state, will cease to exist and it will have another name because the Palestinian population will be a majority in the whole of the land in the very near future and demand a "one man, one vote"-approach instead of a two-state solution which is hard to argue against. Even some Jews in Israel like Meron Benvenisti support the idea of a "neo-Canaan" which sickens me.

It is completely in Israel's interests to leave the territories to ensure Israel's future - yet the settlements prevent this. It was a total mistake to start building settlements between Palestinian villages and towns which are totally isolated from the rest of the major Jewish population centers. I have no idea why the Israeli right doesn't realize this. They'll find themselves in a point of no return - and I personally don't want Israel to simply vanish.

Of course the other alternative for Israel to perserve a Jewish majority will be population transfer of Palestinians which I think is ethnic cleansing and totally immoral in every sense. That would truly brand Israel as a "rogue" state, completely isolated, sanctions and possibly even war. Oppressing the Palestinian population when it is a majority in the the whole area, with some in cages because of the fence, will make Israel an Apartheid in its truest form. The fence is essential but should be only be on one border - not cut areas inside the West Bank.

Israel has to do something about it - now. Prolonging it will only make the situation worse and inevitably will ensure Israel's destruction.

[Isiah 2:4]

Yep. I think you are completely right. I dont want Israel to become even more isolated either, and while ethics are ignored and misconstrued in the ME, Israel shouldn't have to lower it self to standards of ethical cleansing or extreme social inequality to deal with its problems.

[alexbmn]

I just dont know why people say that Palestinians in the territories pose a demographic threat to Israel. Pals CANNOT vote in Israeli elections ,they are no more a demographic threat then Egyptians. They are not , nor will they be citizens of Israel . The real threat comes from Israeli Arabs who will be the majority soon and will make Israel an Arab state.

[alexbmn]

if Pals would want a binational state they would want it now because together with Israeli Arabs there would be about four million of them.

[danholo]

Because if a two-state solution is not reached, Palestinians will become "second-class" citizens and thus demand justice and equality as Israelis. In the future they will understand that this will be their best weapons against Israel. Israel can't occupy the Palestinians indefinitely so it is in Israel's best interests to leave the territories while it still can.

[alexbmn]

why whould even the most retarted leftist suggest a binational state is beyond. America is a much better state for Jews to be a minority in.

[alexbmn]

I dont think they will demand anything. As I said theres already three millions of Pals alone,and they have been "second class " for almost 40 years . And I dont understand why Israel has to unilateraly retreat when its the side that can win the conflict in one day. How about the Palestinians retreat to a second Gaza strip?

[danholo]

Not unilaterally retreat. As a suggestion Israel, as a first step, would pull out completely out Gaza (I have no idea why there are settlements there in the first place) as a good-will gesture and pull back to pre-Intifada borders in the WB and ease some restrictions concerning check-points. Also Israel should stop making a cage out of some Palestinian towns like Qalqilya. Under these conditions Israel will give an ultimatum to the Palestinians: If even one terror attack occurs against Israelis, retaliation will be immense. Both Gaza and the WB will become occupied and the IDF will not stop until every single terrorist is killed - capturing is not an option.

Why?

It would be kind of like a test for the Palestinians and their supporters. It will show, once and for all, that what the case is and what must be done about it.

[alexbmn]

ok first of all Israel could start cleaning out the territories right now if it wanted to. Second ,second,the only way they would do that if the suicide attack killed more then one thousand people.Otherwise they wouldnt follow through on their threat. Just like with Arafat.

[Mil]

I think Qadaffi is on drugs.... or may be there is a new satirist on the horizon. What you guys think: Billy Crystal vs. Qadaffi?

[danholo]

Same kind of stuff:

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/ne...ord=neo-canaan

Sickening.

Hope the link works.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by Mediocrates
http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/ne...hp3?artid=8420

Goodbye Zion, Hello Canaan
Idea of a single Arab-Jewish state is gaining steam on the left.
Jonathan Mark - Associate Editor

Surrender is usually less about treason than about exhaustion, and the Jews are an exhausted people. After centuries of being killed, there are Jews suggesting we die not with a bang but a whimper. Better to live in Canaan than in Zion; better intermarriage than to be thought intolerant; better oblivion than being eaten alive.

Canaan people are Uri Avineri Gush Shalom auto surrender Marxists and European hench men. For all the huge ammounts the Europeans taxpayers that are flowed into such groups, so to undermind Zionist ideology and subvert the existance of the Jewish state, through propaganda... the Gush Shalom creatures make up tiny fringe minority, with much to much money and air time in the Israeli media.

Who ever thinks in the lines of the Labour party is still a Zionist, the others, left to the labour are not zionist any more.

[ibrodsky]

Originally posted by danholo
If Israel doesn't disengage from the territories as soon as possible this will be the inevitable result. Israel, as a Jewish state, will cease to exist and it will have another name because the Palestinian population will be a majority in the whole of the land in the very near future and demand a "one man, one vote"-approach instead of a two-state solution which is hard to argue against. Even some Jews in Israel like Meron Benvenisti support the idea of a "neo-Canaan" which sickens me.

No, you are forgetting that Israel seized the West Bank and Gaza out of self-defense. If Israel withdraws from the territories it will be seen by the Islamist mass murderers as a sign of weakness. They will then be free to acquire every sort of terrorist as well as conventional military weapon. And rest assured that's exactly what they will do.

Unfortunately, the only solution is to transfer the "Palestinian" Arabs to the other side of the Jordan River where they will be behind a natural and defensible border.

The Arabs have been committing war crimes against the Jews for 75 years and have lost their claim to the West Bank. Let's not forget they massacred and drove out the entire Jewsh community of Hebron.

It is completely in Israel's interests to leave the territories to ensure Israel's future - yet the settlements prevent this. It was a total mistake to start building settlements between Palestinian villages and towns which are totally isolated from the rest of the major Jewish population centers. I have no idea why the Israeli right doesn't realize this. They'll find themselves in a point of no return - and I personally don't want Israel to simply vanish.

Wrong: I can't think of a more certain way to endanger Israel's future.

If you look carefully at the historical record, you'll see that no Arab state or group seriously considered making peace with Israel until Israel began building settlements. The prospect of losing the Sinai forever was what made Sadat decide to make a deal.

Plus, do you really believe in your heart of hearts that there can be peace with neighbors who refuse to let a Jewish minority live in their land while 20% of Israel is Arab?

Of course the other alternative for Israel to perserve a Jewish majority will be population transfer of Palestinians which I think is ethnic cleansing and totally immoral in every sense. That would truly brand Israel as a "rogue" state, completely isolated, sanctions and possibly even war. Oppressing the Palestinian population when it is a majority in the the whole area, with some in cages because of the fence, will make Israel an Apartheid in its truest form. The fence is essential but should be only be on one border - not cut areas inside the West Bank.

No, ethnic cleansing is what the Arabs are doing to Israel.

Plus, Israel is forced to take this step due to the Arabs' barbaric behavior.

Why is it OK for the Arabs to demand an ethnically-cleansed West Bank? Why do you want to give in to this?