The new anti-Semitism

[L@mplighterM]

August 23, 2003
The new anti-Semitism



By MICHAEL COREN -- Sun Media
Oh Israel. Why have the media and the left deserted you?

Many reasons. Some to do with fashion, others convenience, others pure and time-honoured hatred. Hey, man, it's hip to hate the Zionist entity, even if we're not sure exactly why.

The country has been in existence for a little over 50 years, and in that time has introduced concepts of democracy, civil rights, pluralism, religious freedom, gender equality, the rule of law, the separation of powers, a free press and the right to protest into a region that largely still does not know or accept them.

I'm always amused by western journalists who claim Israel no longer gives them free access into combat zones and sensitive areas. There is, indeed, a slight limitation now, after so many suicide bombings and so much biased reporting. But the limits are minor. And in comparison to any Arab state, Israel allows foreign reporters absolute freedom. Why so little complaint about this?

Yet if we read many newspapers and listen to so much television and radio, this tiny strip of land in an ocean of dictatorship, murderous oligarchy and religious despotism, is responsible for almost every evil in the world, including baldness, bad breath and the rain.

If only these shock hacks knew their history. The Jewish people never left Israel, even though the majority were driven out by the Romans, a genuinely cruel colonial power. Many managed to stay, and simply because Arab and Islamic imperialists eventually conquered the near east and Israel does not make this an Arab land.

Of course, some of the Arabs who had lived in Israel - known by some in those days of hiatus as Palestine - were moved out. Often because of Arab propaganda, sometimes by Jewish actions. This is undeniable. There were brutal actions on both sides. But let us remember that some years before the official formation of modern Israel, the Jews of Hebron faced a genocidal pogrom at the hands of the Arabs.

These men, women and children had lived in this city since Biblical times, long before any Arab moved into the region. But they were massacred, simply for being Jews. In the name, I suppose, of freedom and the struggle for dignity. Hard to know what a Jewish child was doing wrong when his throat was slit by an Arab gangster.

There were 600 Jews living in Hebron in 1929, most of them not even Zionists. Highly orthodox and peaceful, they refused the protection of the Jewish defence organizations and trusted their Arab neighbours would not harm them. How wrong they were. That Jews now want to return to Hebron is seen by some as being immoral.

Oh, I see. Jews should get used to being slaughtered and merely walk away.

I always find it ironic that the hysterical left, self-loathing Jews and anti-Semites scream about Zionism, when all the Jews are doing is taking back what always belonged to them in the first place. Self-loathing Jew? Oh, yes. I didn't believe it in the past, but now know it to be so. People who are shamed by their identity. Freud may have been wrong on many things, but not all.

Then there is the anti-Semitism issue. Not every anti-Zionist is a Jew-hater. But every Jew-hater is an anti-Zionist. In some ways, Israel has become the new Jew - an entity one can despise in polite company and get away with it. I meet critics of Israel all the time who are not anti-Semitic. But when one asks them why they are not more angry at any of the numerous Latin American, African or Asian states that murder, torture and rape they remain silent.

This may not be Jew-hatred, but it is at the very least lazy and selective criticism.

There are valid objections to be made of some Israeli actions and of some Israeli leaders. But if the Arab world would affirm the absolute right to existence of the Jewish state in a sea of increasingly violent and paranoid Islam, most of these problems could be dealt with.

Jews were so much easier to criticize and beat up when they lived in a diaspora, had no army and, well, knew their place. But times change. And so do people. Thank God for that.

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[IndianSummer]

Hey...

ok now DON'T think i'm being sarcastic or tongue-in-cheek or anything. i really don't know...

what IS anti-semitism?

is it people looking at you different because of your religion (judaism) ? or is it race (i personally can't tell apart a jew from a european for example) or is it something to do with economic history?

what IS anti-semitism?

forgive my utter ignorance. please tell.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by IndianSummer
what IS anti-semitism?

forgive my utter ignorance. please tell.

Jewdaism is both a nation, an ethinic group and a religion.

Thousands of years ago, there was nothing out of the ordinary with an ethnic group with their own religion. However, we Jews, are the only survivors from these anciant times. History and the migration of barbarian hords in the 5th and 7th century AD, made most of the civilizations of anciant times vanish and disapear from the face of the earth. We, Jews survived the countless ages.

Jews as a seperate race
Jews are ethnicly different from white europeans. We are of another race, Semites. Although we are racialy closer to the white people more then any other human race, we are not white.

Other members of our race are the Persians, Arabs, and in lesser degrees, other nations of central asia and north Africa. Lost members of our race include the Phinicians, Asurians, Babylonians, Aramites and many lesser smaller nations. We were all evolved from the the Sumerians and Akkadians civilizations, world first civilizations. Jews origion is from the city of Ur, one of the chief city states of the Sumerians. From the Sumerians we took the name for our race: Semites. Sons of Shem, which corralates again, with the anciant Sumerians.

Even physicly speaking, we Jews are much different then Europeans: We are far prettier and smarter then them. I guess they resent us for that.

Many of the most beatiful hollywood actresses, are Jewish. (Few are Israeli: like Netaly Portman).

Jews as a culture
We Jews read and write thousands of years before european languages ever evolved. Roman alpha beith is based on the Aramaith alpha beith, that was used in OUR regions thousand of years before. Both Christian and Islamic religions is heavily based on Jewish religion and Jewish made ideas. Universal code of law, morality, notions of right and wrong and universal justace, are Jewish ideas, copied, twisted and manipulated by various streams of Christianity and Islam. Ideas, that we Jews invented thousands of years before each of these civilizations ever begoted.

Because of geography, and mutual periods of ocupation (Persian, Roman, Othoman ect... ), and links of trade, its quite safe to say that anciant European civilization (Greek and Roman) have evolved from Semite civilization, and modern European civilization have evolved under the strong impression of the lost Greek and Roman civilization and heavy Jewish influance, un top of huge soil of original pagen primitive ideas, origionaly euoropean.

Compared with Asian civilizations, it is difficult to find the differences, but be sure, my Indian friend, For us the differences are huge.

[b]Jewdaism in few words[/n] Unlike other religions, Jews are monotheistic, (we have only one G-d), we believe in totall abstractness of G-d, (our G-d is timeless, shapeless, with no begining and no end). We belive in ideas of Absolute universal Justace. We believe G-d can not have children. All of our leaders were fully human. Only their wisdom was devine and holly. The most important text of our religion and culture is the Torah, and then the rest of the bible (old testament), and then other later texts.

Anti Semetism

Anti semetism is hatered of Jews only, although there are more nation within our Semite race.

There are several kind of anti semetism: racial, religious and anti zionist.

religious anti semetism has evolved over the middle ages, as meens or result, of church control. We Jews marked as the enemies of the faith, and accuse us all, togather, in the "murder" of "god", a man they call Jesus, some two thousand years ago. Who was (allegly, if was he ever existed) executed by the Roman occupayers. A common Roman practice to preserve the peace in a key stratigily and economicly vital part of the Roman empire.

Muslems hate us Jews, basicly because we refuse to become muslems and follow their leaders.

Anti Zionism is a combination of all the above: Since Zionism is the ideology of Jewish self identity and demand of national rights, of self determination, right of self defence in the land of our ancestors, Anti Zionists seek to deny Jews, and Jews only, from such rights. Its motivated both by religion and racism, since its a from of religious persecution and racism.

Marxism denys any from of identity, religion or national. Marxist terminology often used to justify anti zionism. However, anti zionist often support the nationlistic or religious ambitions of others, world wide.

Self hating jews - FUBAR jews: Because of the enormous rejection of Jews in western and Arab cultures, to this day, many Jews tried to win trust by secrefing their Jewish haritage, history and quite often, Jewish living relatives. Jews, yarning for acceptance, and many times better lives out side persecution (or just selling more books to anti semetics, in these days). In a nut shell: Some Jews betrayed their people under false convictions they may win acceptance from non Jews anti semites, by becomeing Jewish haters themselves.

[Evgeny]

"Even physicly speaking, we Jews are much different then Europeans: We are far prettier and smarter then them. I guess they resent us for that. "

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Jews are also more sarcastic

Roman alphabet canme from greek dummy. Also the askenzi jews were once pagan nomads living on the Steppes of central asia!!

[Leon]

what IS anti-semitism?

forgive my utter ignorance. please tell.

Interestingly the term anti-semitism was coined by non Jews in Germany two centuries back to describe Jew hatred. Why anti-Semitism? simply becuase, (as somone mentioned) Jews are Semitic (like Arabs) - they werent anglo-saxon, celtic or slavic but desecdents of a people who came from the middle-east.

Also, as someone noted, Judiasm is not just a religion but also a ethnic identity. The Jews have always been a nation of people- and thats how they differ from say Christians or Muslims who are made up of many different nations.

This nation has its roots, history and culture in the land of Israel. When thinking of Jews, picture gypsies. Gypsies are everywhere and all can trace their roots back to India- difference is- Gypsies went into voluntary exile.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by Evgeny
"Even physicly speaking, we Jews are much different then Europeans: We are far prettier and smarter then them. I guess they resent us for that. "

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Jews are also more sarcastic

Roman alphabet canme from greek dummy. Also the askenzi jews were once pagan nomads living on the Steppes of central asia!!

Yes, Jews ancestors were pagen nomads on the steps of central asia... some 10 thousands years ago... of course there were no Jews on the face of the earth that time. Our ancestors become a civilization some 7 thousands years ago... living in the world very first cities. Hebrews appeared only 5 thousand years ago, when the city-state of Ur was destroyed.

Your ancestors, Evgeny, were nomad in euroasia, until about a thousand years ago. (give of take a century or two). Modern Europeans arived to western Europe only 15-16 centuries ago. (with the exception of the Basks and the Celts). As for the date when you've become a civilization... its still a matter of debate... some say (you know who) that date haven't arrived yet. As for writing... Only Stalin made the Russian read and write on mass. You got your Kirilic alpha beith only few centuries ago.

That little bits of history are good for our Indian friends to put western civilizations into prespective.

Roman Alphabeith is rightfuly taken from the Greeks. The hight of the Greek culture was 6-7 century BC... roughly the time of our SECOND temple, and our returen to the land of Israel from Babylon, (under Persian emprial approval). The Greek themselves adopted the Aramite Alphabeith, used by all the people of our region. (by then, we've switched alphabeith, to the square one, you all know, although there remains a version of the original Alphabeith in modern Israel as well).

Oddly enough, just look at the word Alphabeith:
Hebrew first latter is Aleph. Greek: Alpha. Hebrew second letter is Beith (or Bett). Greek is Beta.
Gimmel - Gamma, Dalet- Delta, Hay - Epsilon, Vav- ? , Zain-Zeta ... Het - Hi (Roman X). Tet - Tow... ect...

[IndianSummer]

thanks for the info Gilgamesh and Leon.

i guess i know what anti-semitism is now. but it still seems pretty stupid.

india is such a huge boiling pot of races, cultures and religions that people here must have decided to not identify each other with their race, religion and origin...too much trouble keeping track of so many ethnicities i guess. lol. by and large.

i read somewhere that jews came to india first time around 2,200 years ago. they lived in peace for another 1000 years till the islamic invasions of india began. i guess a lot of jews (together with hindus and persians) would have been killed during the rape and plunder of indian cities from 900 AD till 1800 AD. most of the 800,000-strong jewish population at the time of independence in 1947 migrated to israel. or i should say 'went back' to israel. there are still about 100,000 jews left in india.

one of india's most celebrated generals is jewish. Gen. Jacob Sassoon was the Director General Of Military Operations for the Indian Union from 1987-1992. thereafter he took command of the western sector (bordering pakistan) from 1992 till 1996, eventually taking command of indian paramilitary forces in Kashmir from 1996 till his retirement in 1999. hats off to him.

i guess religious discrimination does go on in secular india, but it is mostly social and not institutional. also, the targets of social discrimination are muslims. all other religions (sikh, parsee, judaism, hinduism, buddhism) consider themselves on one side of a social faultline and islam on the other.

i guess after almost a thousand years of persecution by islam, it's hard for others to be too kind to them.

in any case, thanks guys for the explanation.

[Evgeny]

Originally posted by Gilgamesh
Yes, Jews ancestors were pagen nomads on the steps of central asia... some 10 thousands years ago... of course there were no Jews on the face of the earth that time. Our ancestors become a civilization some 7 thousands years ago... living in the world very first cities. Hebrews appeared only 5 thousand years ago, when the city-state of Ur was destroyed.

Your ancestors, Evgeny, were nomad in euroasia, until about a thousand years ago. (give of take a century or two). Modern Europeans arived to western Europe only 15-16 centuries ago. (with the exception of the Basks and the Celts). As for the date when you've become a civilization... its still a matter of debate... some say (you know who) that date haven't arrived yet. As for writing... Only Stalin made the Russian read and write on mass. You got your Kirilic alpha beith only few centuries ago.

That little bits of history are good for our Indian friends to put western civilizations into prespective.

Roman Alphabeith is rightfuly taken from the Greeks. The hight of the Greek culture was 6-7 century BC... roughly the time of our SECOND temple, and our returen to the land of Israel from Babylon, (under Persian emprial approval). The Greek themselves adopted the Aramite Alphabeith, used by all the people of our region. (by then, we've switched alphabeith, to the square one, you all know, although there remains a version of the original Alphabeith in modern Israel as well).

Oddly enough, just look at the word Alphabeith:
Hebrew first latter is Aleph. Greek: Alpha. Hebrew second letter is Beith (or Bett). Greek is Beta.
Gimmel - Gamma, Dalet- Delta, Hay - Epsilon, Vav- ? , Zain-Zeta ... Het - Hi (Roman X). Tet - Tow... ect...

No plenty of jews were still pagans closely related to the turks and mongols up until about 1000 years ago when Russian knyz of Kiev destroyed the Khazar tribe and jews khazars started converting. also my ancestors did not live in the steppes because they lived in what is now Poland,Belorus, and Ukraine. also Russians got our alphabet about 1100 years ago from southern slavs who got theirs first from the saint cyrill. BTW russia has become one of the most powerfull empires in history, tell me what empire have the jews held expet for a piece of desert 2700 years ago.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by Evgeny
No plenty of jews were still pagans closely related to the turks and mongols up until about 1000 years ago when Russian knyz of Kiev destroyed the Khazar tribe and jews khazars started converting.

The Elite of the Khazar society, has become Jewish. They were members of the Jewish faith, but never of the Jewish nation. They were seperate nation with a similar religion to ours. But they all gone no.

Personaly speaking, I can trace my roots all the way back to the first and second Temple, till biblical times. I'd run the my DNA testing, you'll find yet another proof for my claim. There is nothing Khazar by me, or the majority of world Jews. Both Jews and Khazar kept themselves for themselves, living in seperate communities, even in the hight of the Khazar expansion. We all been in good terms, of course... but never quite mingled.

also Russians got our alphabet about 1100 years ago from southern slavs who got theirs first from the saint cyrill.

About time!

Llike six thousand years since the Alpha Beith was invented by my ancestors, the Sumerians. (aka Semites). Even the Arabs preceded you in four centuries or so...

BTW russia has become one of the most powerfull empires in history, tell me what empire have the jews held expet for a piece of desert 2700 years ago.

All fake! Only it became obvious for the reset of the world a decade ago.

Jewish empire is spiritual and cultural. We still hold on to our intelectual empire. The only kind of empires that can not fade, deminished or destroyed. Don't forget, what ever russian achivements were, they all based up on Jewish technology and Jewish vision. Obviously we wasted our time and effort of creatures such as you!.

As for "piece of desert". I hope you'll agree, I know Israel a bit better then you. most of Israel is not a desert, and in biblic times, even less. huge forests covered regions of Israel. It were turks and Arabs who wiped out all wild life and woods from large parts of Israel. I, like any other Israeli, personaly took part in the reforestation of Israel. As a child, and since, once a year, I plant couple of trees, togather with thousands of other Israelis. (on the same day, as part of a semi religious costum, "Tu Be'Shvat" aka "Hamishusser").

Sting sings: "A city in the desert lies..." in the song: "Can't live without you"

What an Idi*t!
Jerusalm in a mountain top city, surrounded by one of Israel's largest forests. Only Be'er-She'va, is a desert city. (Dimona, Eilat, Arad, Yeruham, Mizpe Ramon, Ofakim are small town in the middle of the desert). The Judea desert in not far away from Jerusalm, which seats on top of the Judea mountain range... but, it's still isn't Jerusalm.

Now, that we Jews, true owners of the land of Israel, have returned, Israel is blooming again, wild life is restored, the desert is waters and pushed back... even the weeds prefer living within our borders then in the Arabs. Check any satelite pictures... you'll Israel borders sharply and clearly! aspecialy the Egyption border.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by IndianSummer
thanks for the info Gilgamesh and Leon.

i guess i know what anti-semitism is now. but it still seems pretty stupid.

india is such a huge boiling pot of races, cultures and religions that people here must have decided to not identify each other with their race, religion and origin...too much trouble keeping track of so many ethnicities i guess. lol. by and large.

i read somewhere that jews came to india first time around 2,200 years ago. they lived in peace for another 500 years till the islamic invasions of india began. i guess a lot of jews (together with hindus and persians) would have been killed during the rape and plunder of indian cities from 900 AD till 1800 AD. most of the 800,000-strong jewish population at the time of independence in 1947 migrated to israel. or i should say 'went back' to israel. there are still about 100,000 jews left in india.

one of india's most celebrated generals is jewish. Gen. Jacob Sassoon was the Director General Of Military Operations for the Indian Union from 1987-1992. thereafter he took command of the western sector (bordering pakistan) from 1992 till 1996, eventually taking command of indian paramilitary forces in Kashmir from 1996 till his retirement in 1999. hats off to him.

i guess religious discrimination does go on in secular india, but it is mostly social and not institutional. also, the targets of social discrimination are muslims. all other religions (sikh, parsee, judaism, hinduism, buddhism) consider themselves on one side of a social faultline and islam on the other.

i guess after almost a thousand years of persecution by islam, it's hard for others to be too kind to them.

in any case, thanks guys for the explanation.

In fact, there were three different Jewish communities in India. One of marchents following the trade routes more the 2 thausand years ago on the hight of the Persian empire, the other of Jewish marchents from Iraq, following the Muslem invaders, more then a thousand years ago, and the last, of European Jews, following the British invadors, couple of centuries ago.

Jews of India, have NEVER suffered any form of racial or religious discreamination of any kind, from the hands of the Hindus. Jews never tried to convert Hindus, since missionarism is against our faith. We always been traders, marchents, goldsmithes and Jewel makers.

Sasoon, (should be pronanunced Sa'son) sounds like a Sepharadi name, I guess he is a member of the Persian-Iraqi Jewish community which arrived to india about a thousand years ago.

Sason is an origional Hebrew name, means Joy or happyness. It's a common first and last name in Israel too. (we have many words for Joy, which often used for first and last names in Israel: Gil, Ron, Rina, Ditza, Gila, Simcha, Sason... to mention only some.

[Evgeny]

Originally posted by Gilgamesh

Don't forget, what ever russian achivements were, they all based up on Jewish technology and Jewish vision. Obviously we wasted our time and effort of creatures such as you!.

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I have heard all about these "jewish" achivements, please tell me of the names of these "jews" and there achivments. Jews lived in thier sheckles making shoes and furniture during the Russian empire.

[Mediocrates]

The hydrogen bomb, the nuclear submarine, most other nuclear engineering, much of their computer science. Seriously do you know WTF you're talking about?

Cause I read this

"No plenty of jews were still pagans closely related to the turks and mongols up until about 1000 years ago"

And I wonder if you smoke rat poison or something.

[Evgeny]

do you have there names and their nationality?

[IndianSummer]

Leon : "...Gypsies are everywhere and all can trace their roots back to India- difference is- Gypsies went into voluntary exile..."


voluntary exile ! really !! i used to think that the gypsies of europe originated in then Hindu province of Gandhar (modern day muslim afghanistan. the city kandhar's name is derived from gandhar). a major muslim invasion in AD 945 is said to have resulted in the genocide of tens (possible hundreds) of thousands of Hindus in gandhar. in fact the name 'Hindu Kush' , a major mountain belt in modern afghanistan takes it's name from that massive extermination of Hindus. Hindu means hindu of course and 'Kush' means 'killer'. Hindu Kush, Hindu killer or the killer of Hindus.

the survivors either converted to Islam (their offsrings are modern afghan muslim jehadis) or were taken as slaves. these hindu slaves and their offspring were repeatedly sold till they made their way to south-eastern europe and from then on to all over europe and are known as 'gypsies' today. they still retain some aspects of their hindu past, including spirituality and mysticism.

at least that's what i beleived till now...

but 'voluntary exile' ?? this is new...

any more info on that please? or any links i could read more at?

[Leon]

Indian Summer,

I never realised that the Jewish community in India was that large (considering that there are only 15 million Jews in the world). I thought there were only a few thousand Jews living there. Well you learn new things everyday

I probably going up to India in Jan- one of my friends invited me to stay with him in New-Delhi free of charge!!