Car bomb kills 20 in Najaf mosque including senior shiite Ayatollah

[britishchap]

This will get horribly messy between the shia factions now.

Iraqi Shi`ite Muslim leader Mohammed Baqer al-Hakim reported killed by car bomb in Iraqi city of Najaf

Up to 20 people killed in car bomb attack outside main mosque in Iraqi Shi`ite Muslim holy city of Najaf

From ha'aretz

Article from Reuters-

Shi'ite Leader Among Up to 20 Killed in Najaf
Fri August 29, 2003 08:25 AM ET




BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Up to 20 people including a top Shi'ite leader were killed in a car bomb attack outside a mosque in the Iraqi Shi'ite Muslim holy city of Najaf just after prayers on Friday, officials in a leading Shi'ite group said.
"It happened shortly after prayers. It was a car bomb and up to 20 people were killed," Adel Abdul Mahdi, an official of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) told Reuters in Baghdad after receiving reports from Najaf.

Iraqi Shi'ite Muslim leader Mohammed Baqer al-Hakim was killed by the car bomb, his nephew told Reuters in Tehran.

"Ayatollah Mohammed Baqer al-Hakim became a martyr." Mohsen Hakim, who is also a top official for the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) based in Tehran, told Reuters. He would not give any further details.

A source close to SCIRI later said he was killed when his car was blown up after he left Friday prayers.

Abdul Mahdi had said earlier in Baghdad that the SCIRI leader was not among those killed in the attack.

Abdul Mahdi said the bomb detonated as worshippers were streaming out of the mosque. A U.S. military spokesman confirmed there had been a bomb blast but had no details.

"There was an explosion at Najaf near a mosque," he said. "No coalition forces were in the area or on the ground because it is considered to be sacred ground."

On Sunday, top Shi'ite cleric Ayatollah Mohammed Saeed al- Hakim was slightly wounded in a bomb attack at his office in Najaf which killed three security guards. Hakim is the uncle of SCIRI leader Ayatollah Mohammed Baqer al-Hakim.

Some SCIRI supporters blamed the previous attack, which was close to the mosque, on followers of rival Shi'ite leader Moqtada al Sadr. His group denied the accusation.

Power struggles in Najaf are a key influence on the political future of majority Shi'ite Iraq.

http://asia.reuters.com/newsArticle....toryID=3357655

[L@mplighterM]

Snif:

NAJAF, Iraq, Aug. 29 — A massive car bomb Friday at Iraq’s holiest Shiite shrine killed 75 people, including one of the country’s most important Muslim clerics, Ayatollah Mohammed Baqir al-Hakim, the chief doctor at the city’s central hospital reported. He said a survey of all the city’s medical facilities indicated that 140 people were wounded, many seriously.


http://www.msnbc.com/news/870749.asp?0cv=CA01

Blame it on the Bosa Nova and a place called the US.

[Mil]

IDIOTS!!!!!!! This inner clan fighting is really medieval.

[RichardP]

Originally posted by Mil
IDIOTS!!!!!!! This inner clan fighting is really medieval.

True... their hate has no borders. Inner clan fighting is entrenched in their psyche!

[SteveMetch]

This culture is hopeless.

I wonder how long it will take before the rest of the world admits that Islam is the core reason this culture has yet to enter the modern world.

Where there’s smoke there’s Muslims.

ISLAM (Idiots Should Look At Modernizing)

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by RichardP
Inner clan fighting is entrenched in their psyche!

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH DON'T LET THEM HEAR YOU!

[RichardP]

Originally posted by L@mplighterM
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH DON'T LET THEM HEAR YOU!

They're everywhere!!!! I live in a Muslim area... I told my wife, was going to fly Israel's flag but she grew concerned... and then mentioned the German down the street! I said, SHHHHHHHHHH...
don't let them hear you! They're everywhere. Sad but true, they are!

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by RichardP
They're everywhere!!!! I live in a Muslim area... I told my wife, was going to fly Israel's flag but she grew concerned... and then mentioned the German down the street! I said, SHHHHHHHHHH...
don't let them hear you! They're everywhere. Sad but true, they are!

I know when to shut up once in awhile, last year I stood outside a makeshift mosque and I could hear the imam screaming his ****** head off inside, because the window was ajar.

My son wanted to beat a hasty retreat but I lingered around with my dog and what I heard wasn’t pretty. What the **** are people like that doing in the west?

I haven’t spoken to an Arab since 9/11 and I have no intention of ever giving one the time of day. They (Muslims) know damn well who the radical Muslims are that’s around them (in the west), turn them in and then DEPORT them.

I don’t give a damn what they do within their own borders, the Turks can kill the Kurds, the Sunni can kill the Shiites and visa versa, they can beat, rape and murder their women until the end of time. What does that have to do with me? Nothing!

[RichardP]

Originally posted by L@mplighterM
I know when to shut up once in awhile, last year I stood outside a makeshift mosque and I could hear the imam screaming his ****** head off inside, because the window was ajar.

My son wanted to beat a hasty retreat but I lingered around with my dog and what I heard wasn’t pretty. What the **** are people like that doing in the west?

I haven’t spoken to an Arab since 9/11 and I have no intention of ever giving one the time of day. They (Muslims) know damn well who the radical Muslims are that’s around them (in the west), turn them in and then DEPORT them.

I don’t give a damn what they do within their own borders, the Turks can kill the Kurds, the Sunni can kill the Shiites and visa versa, they can beat, rape and murder their women until the end of time. What does that have to do with me? Nothing!

It's ironic, as a kid, being the outsider... I truly worked on tolerance and did my utmost to do so! Then the light went on, and I said, never again! I've stuck to that principle and like you, don't give a damn what anyone thinks!
Many/most taxi drivers are Muslim here, as I am sure it's the same everywhere else. The glare of "contempt" I received by 'most' never ceased to amaze me. As mentioned, the others wormed their thread of Islamic deceit, until they couldn't find the end of the thread! Or they thought I was stupid.
You should see the Muslims and their do-gooder, leftist bum buddies throwing a hissy-fit over the arrest of the Muslim students.
In closing, when taking a cab in Toronto, ask the cabbie (if Muslim) to open the trunk... as who knows you may be heading to your final destination. I don't take cabs any longer.

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by RichardP
It's ironic, as a kid, being the outsider... I truly worked on tolerance and did my utmost to do so! Then the light went on, and I said, never again! I've stuck to that principle and like you, don't give a damn what anyone thinks!
Many/most taxi drivers are Muslim here, as I am sure it's the same everywhere else. The glare of "contempt" I received by 'most' never ceased to amaze me. As mentioned, the others wormed their thread of Islamic deceit, until they couldn't find the end of the thread! Or they thought I was stupid.
You should see the Muslims and their do-gooder, leftist bum buddies throwing a hissy-fit over the arrest of the Muslim students.
In closing, when taking a cab in Toronto, ask the cabbie (if Muslim) to open the trunk... as who knows you may be heading to your final destination. I don't take cabs any longer.

If you go back to the days of old Chicago, I’ll bet almost every Italian knew who the Godfathers were as well as the gangsters, people know these things. The point is I’m certain that Muslims know who the fanatics are but it seems like they stick up for their own.

As I sit here and write it’s difficult to imagine that anarchy could one day be a reality, but it can. My wife’s friend from her brothers Naval Base was scheduled to be working in the Pentagon on 9/11, if I recall correctly he was rescheduled. In total my wife’s friends lost 8 friends 9/11, even though I wasn’t personally affected (I’m not referring to economic factors) by 9/11, I’ve washed my hands of Islam forever.

I know damn well that Islam will be back for more blood; it’s just a matter of time. One or two more major attacks or one commercial airliner downed and it’ll have serious consequences to the economy. I think we all know it’ll happen eventually but of course we don’t know when.

I don’t travel by cab much, but nevertheless I’m always armed.

From my perspective Muslims just don’t seem to know how to live, they are stuck in the middle ages. If you stick up for the Turks then the Kurds don’t like you and so it goes. I actually feel like celebrating when I read a story when these idiots kill each other.

[RichardP]

Originally posted by L@mplighterM
If you go back to the days of old Chicago, I’ll bet almost every Italian knew who the Godfathers were as well as the gangsters, people know these things. The point is I’m certain that Muslims know who the fanatics are but it seems like they stick up for their own.

As I sit here and write it’s difficult to imagine that anarchy could one day be a reality, but it can. My wife’s friend from her brothers Naval Base was scheduled to be working in the Pentagon on 9/11, if I recall correctly he was rescheduled. In total my wife’s friends lost 8 friends 9/11, even though I wasn’t personally affected (I’m not referring to economic factors) by 9/11, I’ve washed my hands of Islam forever.

I know damn well that Islam will be back for more blood; it’s just a matter of time. One or two more major attacks or one commercial airliner downed and it’ll have serious consequences to the economy. I think we all know it’ll happen eventually but of course we don’t know when.

I don’t travel by cab much, but nevertheless I’m always armed.

From my perspective Muslims just don’t seem to know how to live, they are stuck in the middle ages. If you stick up for the Turks then the Kurds don’t like you and so it goes. I actually feel like celebrating when I read a story when these idiots kill each other.

It makes one's blood run cold... as you said, it'll happen again eventually, the peaceniks et al will say, we brought it upon ourselves!

[michael]

This is no big surprise. The US supported the mujahideen in Afganistan because there were such effective terrorists. Being fanatics they don't particularly care who they kill.

I don't suppose it would be asking too much to put aside your Islam bashing for a second and think of the innocent civilians who died, would it?

Or maybe after Oklahoma you all ran around lamenting how people in the US "just don’t seem to know how to live, they are stuck in the middle ages" or maybe that ,"Inner clan fighting is entrenched in their psyche!" Maybe not.

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by RichardP
It makes one's blood run cold... as you said, it'll happen again eventually, the peaceniks et al will say, we brought it upon ourselves!

Peace activists remind me of a story about a woman that found a deadly snake.

There was this woman that found a frozen snake and took it in and placed it in front of the fireplace. It repaid her stupidity/kindness with a great big bite and she dropped dead.

Israelis are shuffling millions of shekels into the WB and GS. I know some of these Israelis work their butts off to make a living and then a percentage of their tax shekels are used for the betterment of Palestinians. The Palestinians repay their kindness or stupidity by killing Jews. If I had it my way I wouldn’t give the Arabs steam off my ****.

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by michael
This is no big surprise. The US supported the mujahideen in Afganistan because there were such effective terrorists. Being fanatics they don't particularly care who they kill.

I don't suppose it would be asking too much to put aside your Islam bashing for a second and think of the innocent civilians who died, would it?

Or maybe after Oklahoma you all ran around lamenting how people in the US "just don’t seem to know how to live, they are stuck in the middle ages" or maybe that ,"Inner clan fighting is entrenched in their psyche!" Maybe not.

I’m not bashing Islam I’m just telling like it is.

There’s some evidence that al Queada was connected to the Oklahoma City bombing whether that’s true or not I don’t know.

In any event you can’t compare a deranged individuals actions to a movement that has up to 800,000,000(based on polls in Lebanon) terrorists and to supporters.

[RichardP]

Originally posted by michael
This is no big surprise. The US supported the mujahideen in Afganistan because there were such effective terrorists. Being fanatics they don't particularly care who they kill.

I don't suppose it would be asking too much to put aside your Islam bashing for a second and think of the innocent civilians who died, would it?

Or maybe after Oklahoma you all ran around lamenting how people in the US "just don’t seem to know how to live, they are stuck in the middle ages" or maybe that ,"Inner clan fighting is entrenched in their psyche!" Maybe not.

Michael, the deaths of any innocents is a tragedy: especially, the young children. As they have yet (perhaps) to be tainted by the indoctrination of hate! However, Islam gets the 'bashing' it deserves thus far! Let the moderates, if they will, come out and denounce their Islamic-terrorist 'counterparts'.
As far as I am concerned, they are the ones who hold the answer to your question. Not by a condoning of silence but an action of moderate-Islamic protest. Honestly, I hold little hope for this to ever happen. You perhaps do: I hope you are right and I am proven wrong. I fear this will not be!
Cheers!