An agreement. super. Not much of a starting point. So we are agreed, then, that there was never any real 'peace' in the 1990s. You say because Israel didn't accept the agreemnet, while I know that it is because the palestinians never really accepted Israel's right to exist as an independent democratic Jewish state.Originally posted by takeo
yes, indeed if one side doesn't keep its promises there's no peace-plan at all, but of course it's only temporarily untill both sides aknowledge they'd better go along the peace-process (the international community should also pressure both sides, and blackmail them financially...)
And where a society demonstrates that it is prepared to destroy itself for its war goals, why exactly would financial blacklmail help? Arafat has already stolen enough money to last a lifetime, cutting financial benefits would only hurt his people, not him or his decision makers (like with Iraq - sanctions were bad because they targeted people, not the leadership - being able to get rid of the sanctions was one of the biggest reasons to support the war, in my opinion, as without the war sanctions HAD TO BE continued indefinitely). but just like they did nothing against Hussein, they would do nothing to keep Arafat et al in line.
again, reality check. the Israeli Arabs vs the palestinians. What is their level of interaction with Israeli Jews? How well were they educated? What kind of media do they have access to (i.e. free or state controlled). What is the predominant culture within their communities? passive resistance and civil disobediance or cult of death PURPOSEFUL TARGETING of innocents on the other side. Dreams of being doctors, lawyers, footballers etc vs dreams of being a 'martyr' by massacring civilians? These features will not change the moment an agreement is signed. And that is why (1) the Israeli Arabs are not a good benchmark for assessing the behaviour of Palestinina Arabs and (2) why your analogy was purposely simplistic, and, as such, a manipulation of facts to fit your arguments. Your proposition is stupid (no offense ).i think that's incorrect, look to the israeli palestinians as an example.
I agree, but they also have to WANT TO even more.that's why they need international assistance.
no, based on my assessment of the new 'left' it is actually a requirement to SUPPORT genocide and crimes against humanity (or at least be willfully indifferent to them) if one is to be considered a leftist in good standing.so you are in favor of genocide??? does it make me a leftist to despise such ideas?
dealt with above, but again JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE, and just because Syria makes fake offerings of 'peace' does not mean they want it or are committed to it. Similarly, just because a nation does not negotiate with an untrustworthy opponent does not mean that the party who refused to negotiate was against pace.ok, than stop blaming syria, since israel is the one refusing peace-talks; and of course as long as israel occupies the golan-heights, noone will really blame syria supporting terror-groups.
wow. Can't even recognize something the US did that was good. have to minimize and trivialize it. Shows your colours more, I suspect, than you would like.the marshall plan benefitted all of western europe including Turkey. if you look today to the sorry state of the Turkish economy it wasn't so important after all. the countries not receiving any marshall-money did pretty well, such as Finland.
how many Iraqis? All of them? Looks like a vast majority are cooperating, otherwise there wouldn't be so many happy children running around with US GIs.It won't succeed since iraqi's are not cooperating and the us is trying to rebuilt iraq as a colonial power. [/B]