For the Red Heifer, see Numbers chapter 19.
Worth mentioning, the Midrash considers this the most inexplicable of the mitzvot which we do not understand.
Home | For the Red Heifer, see Numbers chapter 19.
Worth mentioning, the Midrash considers this the most inexplicable of the mitzvot which we do not understand.
21, I hope this isnt against the rules, but if it is, I hope I have proven myself by now.Originally Posted by NewsGuy
I understand your logic: If the Arabs don't believe in it, it must not be true...
Just out of curiosity, eastbank2, how old are you?
But regarding the bible, they same the same thing regarding the Koran, and Christians the new testament. The bible is apart of our religious beliefs and hardly a credible source for one that doesnt believe in the bible. The bible is a suitable source for the converted, for the majority of the world, including myself, it would be very dfficult to accept an argument based on a religious book.
If the Torah was not a valid reason to support our claim to Israel,Judea and Samaria then I would say to hell with that place and start buying everyone a ticket to New Zealand!!!!
Archaeology should be sufficient to prove that Israel was a nation in the ME in the past. Israel is also mentioned in various ancient historical commentaries written by non-Jewish sources to reaffirm this claim. Today, the Palestinians that control the Waqf are going to extraordinary efforts to try to erase any links to the former Jewish nation on the Temple Mount. It's not because the former Temples were not there, but because quite the opposite can be proven. Stones with Hebraic markings have been found in the rubble from the "Pal Home Improvements" on the mount. This destruction continues to occur, much to the chagrin of Israeli archaeologists. It's just the Muslims rewriting history again!!! So much for the "Golden Rule" in a new "Golden Age" of Islam.
Who resurrected this long-dead corpse?
“This is a reality but I won’t deal with it in terms of recognizing or admitting it.â€
Khaled Mashaal, Hamas leader
That would be me
It was at the bottom of the page in the "Related Threads" area and I got caught up when I read the comment I quoted earlier.
The idea that modern Jews are not related to ancient Israelites is an old piece of "Replacment Theology" and wishful thinking by those who practice it.long since disproven by Forensic Archaeology,Genetic Research and later discoveries of 3rd party writings from relevant time periods it continues to flood print and media with all of the furvor it's virulent proponents can muster in an attempt at gaining the most ignorant segments of the gentile world as proponents of their malicious fantasies.
I Believe in Modern Khazaria/Jewish Mix
I believe that many people like myself who are Eastern European Jewry are decendents from the Khazars who are mixed with Semetic Israelite Blood. Here are some quotations from Jewish Sources. This Theory would give proof to modern Jewry having the right to Israel (because of the Jewish Blood) and also be part Aryan (because of the Khazar Blood). I also like to add that I think the subject is fascinating and shouldn't be viewed as so controversal.
JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA (1906): "Many (Khazars) intermingled in the Crimea with the local Jews; the Krimtschaki are probably their descendantsperhaps some of the Subotniki also.... Some went to Hungary, but the great mass of the people remained in their native country. Many members of the Khazarian royal family emigrated to Spain."
UNIVERSAL JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA (1945): "Descendants of the Khazar Jews are believed to have migrated to Kiev and other parts of Russia."
ENCYCLOPEDIA JUDAICA (1973): "Groups have been mentioned as migrating to Central Europe from the East or have been referred to as Khazars, thus making it impossible to overlook the possibility that they originated from within the former Khazar Empire. The Turkish-speaking Karaites [Jews] of the Crimea, Poland, and elsewhere have affirmed a connection with the Khazars, which is perhaps confirmed by evidence from folklore and anthropology as well as language. There seems to be a considerable amount of evidence attesting to the continued presence in Europe of descendants of the Khazars."
All of the sources you quote were based on pure supposition and nobody had even seriously researched the Khazar culture of Itil yet.While I would have no problem with being the descendent of fierce nomadic warriors the truth is that the genetic evidence doesn't support it.
The only likely marker for Khazar anscestry would be the R1 haplotype marker and it is not prevelent enough to support the Khazar/Semitic Hybrid Theory.
Hungarians are interesting however because their language is directly related to ancient Sumerian but many Balkan states are filled with refugees driven from their original locations by more powerful tribes.
Bulgarians are descended from the Bulgars who were driven out by the Khazars from their original location on the Black Sea.
Armenians share a balance of genetic anscestry that would support your theory carrying a fairly even balance of Semitic/Central Asian/Turkish anscestry but they aren't Jewish??
Interesting stuff though
In all honesty, I cannot believe that you as one human being would know that much about all the specific Genetics to human beings to discount the Khazar Theory. I understand that Jewish people do share a common genetic and I am absolutely not discounting that. As I said I believe it's a mix but how can you discount where all the Khazar's went? All the evidence points to Eastern Europe. And the quotes I used were completely from Jewish Sources.
I even read that last names with Alper could be Alpert etc..... meant Brave Knight in the Khazaria tounge. I did a little search on Alper Jewish and found just one example...a website of someone whose last name is Alper who is Jewish....the guy looks whiter than white if you know what I mean. Now I am Jewish on both sides but my feeling about my own backround is that of a Jewish/Khazaria mix and evidence is pointing to this direction.
One could discuss King David having Red hair and Blue Eyes....
By the way...yeah the Armenian thing I can see that.....
And I would like to Add, I think it's Great that Israel is kind've like creating a Super Jewish Race ....if you think about it......all the Full Jews, 1/2 Jews, 1/4 Jews......etc...... whether they be Arabic Jew, Khazaria Jew, Russian(once again probably from Khazar and other mixes Jew...).....are all going to Israel and breeding putting more Jewish Genetics into their Offspring. Excellent!
*To think that people don't realize that for instance a Polish Man might've bred with a Jewish Woman 200 years ago and there is part Polish in the Blood of a current Jewish offspring is unbelievable.
Genetics can be an interesting topic but they are very difficult to get accurate, taking a sample of one thousand or so doesn't give an overall image and add to that that Khazar's werent a pure race as Turkic people's are usually Mongoloid/Caucausoid mix it doesn't give conclusive results in that sense.Labyu
All of the sources you quote were based on pure supposition and nobody had even seriously researched the Khazar culture of Itil yet.While I would have no problem with being the descendent of fierce nomadic warriors the truth is that the genetic evidence doesn't support it.
This is interesting, Hungarians are not a European people either they are an ancient Turkic branch.Labyu
Hungarians are interesting however because their language is directly related to ancient Sumerian but many Balkan states are filled with refugees driven from their original locations by more powerful tribes.
This is also very interesting as Bulgars are not a European people either, more interesting when the Khazar's were ruling they were Muslims (Pechens) who migrated to the Balkan region and later adopted Christianity.Labyu
Bulgarians are descended from the Bulgars who were driven out by the Khazars from their original location on the Black Sea.
WoW!, this name is very popular still to this day among Turks, its interesting to see this connection between our two cultures.Truth
I even read that last names with Alper could be Alpert etc..... meant Brave Knight in the Khazaria tounge. I did a little search on Alper Jewish
I agree, it also strengthens Jewish culture, as usually when people borrow they take the best aspects of that culture, so Jews have taken the best attributes of the various areas they have lived in as well as influence those regions themselves.Truth
And I would like to Add, I think it's Great that Israel is kind've like creating a Super Jewish Race ....if you think about it......all the Full Jews, 1/2 Jews, 1/4 Jews......etc...... whether they be Arabic Jew, Khazaria Jew, Russian(once again probably from Khazar and other mixes Jew...).....are all going to Israel and breeding putting more Jewish Genetics into their Offspring. Excellent!
That is very interesting indeed, so presumably they migrated from Khazaria to Spain and then then to the Ottoman lands, I wonder if they still have a lineage and if they migrated to Israel?Truth
Many members of the Khazarian royal family emigrated to Spain."
I'm not sure if I myself have the genetics but saw this thread looked interesting. My father was a Cohen and his entire family was Jewish. I don't know if that means anything about me having the Cohain gene. My mother is German and she converted before I was born from Catholic to Judiasm however many orthodox don't consider this valid because apparently a convert cannot marry a Cohen. Regardless my father considered me Jewish but now that he's passed away I am having some second thoughts.
1. I am not my father clone, and you Turht987 are not a primitive cave man as our great great great distant ancestors have been. But we are their decendents. We are individuals by our own rights, not our forefathers.
So why is it important to what degree am I racial pure Jew... I am a direct decendent of one of the nobel nation in human history, this is enough for me. There is none who can claim direct decendence or the anciant hebrews other then us, modern Jews.
2. Considering the size of the Jewish population within the much greater populations who sheltered the Jewish people, it means the the Jewish genetic contribution to other nations and people, is minimal.
3. Modern Jews today have geneticly proven living racial relatives in the ME, which is enough of a proof of both our racial itegrity (of most Jews) and rightful affiliation to the region.
4. Jews who don't look Jewish are a minority, and made up of either converts or formerly remoted and isolated communities.
5. The lost tribes. Archeology (pots, coins and clays with hebrew writtens) and modern Anthropology have already fingered two remote distinct communites, one in Africa and one in India as decendetes of Jews. They convert and join us in Israel, and guess what, they don't look Jewish.
6. Judaism is far broder concept then blood alone. It is a living civilization. Different Jewish texts answer the question who is Jewish, in metaphysical proceses. I can't be judged in mandane criterias.
The ritualistic technicalities are secondary to what your heart tell you.
All things can be solved somehow, but it only matters who Jewish you feel yourself tobe. Does your wife Jewish, for one instance ?
In Israel, you're full Jew for any matters concerned.
Many Jews tend to throw away their heritage simply by lack of better knowladge. They can't help themsevles from drifting away.
I strongly suggest you to visit us in Israel. Often, its a transforming experiance.
Plus there is tons of good relayable reading matrial, both paper and webcasted.
like: http://www.aish.com , which explains things in eyes level. I strongly recommand it, that site and the educational organiztion behind it worked wonders.
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