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    abu afak
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    "Anti-Zionists. But We Have Nothing Against the Jews as Such"

    "Anti-Zionists. But We Have Nothing Against the Jews as Such"

    Posted by Dr. Steven Plaut
    Friday, September 12, 2003


    Say What? Anti-Semites? Who, us anti-Zionists? Us? We have nothing against Jews as such. We just hate Zionism and Zionists. We think Israel does not have a right to exist. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. Heavens to Mergatroyd. Marx Forbid. We are humanists. Progressives. Peace lovers.

    Anti-Semitism is the hatred of Jews. Anti-Zionism is opposition to Zionism and Israeli policies. The two have nothing to do with one another. Venus and Mars. Night and Day. Trust us.

    Sure, we think the only country on the earth that must be annihilated is Israel. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

    Sure, we think that the only children on earth whose being blown up is OK if it serves a good cause are Jewish children. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

    Sure we think that if Palestinians have legitimate grievances this entitles them to mass murder Jews. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

    Naturally, we think that the only people on earth who should never be allowed to exercise the right of self-defense are the Jews. Jews should only resolve the aggression against them through capitulation, never through self-defense. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

    We only denounce racist apartheid in the one country in the Middle East that is NOT a racist apartheid country. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

    We refuse to acknowledge the Jews as a people, and think they are only a religion. We do not have an answer to how people who do NOT practice the Jewish religion can still be regarded as Jews. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

    We think that all peoples have the right to self-determination, except Jews, and including even the make-pretend Palestinian ''people.'' But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

    We hate it when people blame the victims, except of course when people blame the Jews for the jihads and terrorist campaigns against them. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

    We think the only country in the Middle East that is a fascist anti-democratic one is the one that has free elections. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

    We demand that the only country in the Middle East with free speech, free press, or free courts be destroyed. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

    We oppose military aggression, except when it is directed at Israel. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

    We really understand suicide bombers who murder bus loads of Jewish children and we insist that their demands be met in full. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

    We think the only conflict on earth that must be solved through dismembering one of the parties to that conflict is the one involving Israel. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

    We do not think that Jews have any human rights that need to be respected and especially not the right to ride a bus without being murdered. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

    There are Jewish leftist anti-Zionists and we consider this proof that anti-Zionists could not possibly be anti-Semitic. Not even the ones who cheer when Jews are mass murdered. These are the only Jews we think need be acknowledged or respected. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

    We do not think murder proves how righteous and just the cause of the
    murderer is, except when it comes to murderers of Jews. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

    We do not think the Jews are entitled to their own state and must submit to being a minority in a Rwanda-style ''bi-national state,'' although no other state on earth, including the 22 Arab countries, should be similarly expected to be deprived of its sovereignty. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

    We think that Israel's having a Jewish majority and a star on its flag makes it a racist apartheid state. We do not think any other country having an ethnic-religious majority or having crosses or crescents or ''Allah Akbar'' on its flag is racist or needs
    dismemberment. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

    We condemn the ''mistreatment'' of women in the only country of the Middle East in which they are not mistreated. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

    We condemn the ''mistreatment'' of minorities in the only country in the Middle East in which minorities are NOT brutally suppressed and mass murdered. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

    We demand equal citizen rights, which is why the only country in the Middle East in need of extermination is the only one in which they exist. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

    We have no trouble with the fact that there is no freedom of religion in any Arab countries. But we are mad at hell at Israel for violating religious freedom, and never mind that we are never quite sure where or when it does so. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

    So how can you possibly say we are anti-Semites? We are simply anti-Zionists. We seek peace and justice, that's all. And surely that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.

    http://www.chronwatch.com/featured/c...216&mode=print

    Dr. Stephen Plaut is a professor at the University of Haifa who pens many informative articles--and occasional satirical pieces like this one--about the Middle East.

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    Frans_1
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    Also, Holocaust denial and Jewish conspiracies are not anti semitism, just seeking the truth.

    I've personally encountered that. I conclude those types of persons never even realises what he/she is.

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    Gilgamesh
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    Originally posted by Frans_1
    Also, Holocaust denial and Jewish conspiracies are not anti semitism, just seeking the truth.

    I've personally encountered that. I conclude those types of persons never even realises what he/she is.
    You are perfectly right!

    The problems with many European anti semetist, is that their anti semeitsm is built in into their world view. What we considered lible, they consider as truth or "option"... an "other side" for a story... What ever we consider as wild baseless accusations they take it as a fact of life...

    Post modernism theory, does for them a great service.

    You can't up root such anti semetism, which has grown into an integral part of European "civilization".

    Euro's by and large, will always be anti semetics who won't even admit it. They already support Israel's sworn enemies, with no consideration of Jewish lives. They will not sell arms to India, but they would sell weapons to Iraq, Iran or Syria. The rationlize it, if at all, because they "support the Arab cause"... Arab "cause" is obviouse anti semetism. Clearly, this is the "cause" Euroes support.

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    abu afak
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    Thanks both above.

    I think this is one of the most Incisive articles I've ever read or posted on the Conflict.
    So many Closet anti-semites hide behind 'Anti-Zionism'.

    This article really strips them naked.

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    Noam
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    Originally posted by abu afak
    Thanks both above.

    I think this is one of the most Incisive articles I've ever read or posted on the Conflict.
    So many Closet anti-semites hide behind 'Anti-Zionism'.

    This article really strips them naked.
    Unfortunately people choose to ignore the article and concentrate on the identity of Plaut.
    He is a Jew and from Israel---what do you expect?

    Like "you Quote Jerusalem Post? HAHAHAH".

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    abu afak
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    Originally posted by Noam
    Unfortunately people choose to ignore the article and concentrate on the identity of Plaut.
    He is a Jew and from Israel---what do you expect?

    Like "you Quote Jerusalem Post? HAHAHAH".
    This is the Israel Forum, people do not ignore articles because the are by by Jews or Israelis.

    ("HAHAHAH"???... how old are you?)

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    Alexander
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    Anti Semitic huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by abu afak View Post
    Thanks both above.

    I think this is one of the most Incisive articles I've ever read or posted on the Conflict.
    So many Closet anti-semites hide behind 'Anti-Zionism'.

    This article really strips them naked.
    I'm not going to deny that anti semitism exist and is on the rise in Europe but there is a middle ground here. It's not so much about labels like "anti-semitic" or "anti-zionist". Something exists in the Jewish mentality because of the genocide. The never again and a forever victim mentality. But there is one thing missing in this case. The jews are the conquerors this time around. And any agressor is not looked at in positive light. Who says that Arab life is more valuable than Jewish or ...... Not any reasonable man. But dissagreement with Israeli policy does not make one an anti-whatever. I hear the word thrown arond a lot and most of the time it is not justified.
    Especially when it comes to Arabs. They are a semitic people like the Jews so how can they be anti-semitic?

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    mossad
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander View Post
    I'm not going to deny that anti semitism exist and is on the rise in Europe but there is a middle ground here. It's not so much about labels like "anti-semitic" or "anti-zionist". Something exists in the Jewish mentality because of the genocide. The never again and a forever victim mentality. But there is one thing missing in this case. The jews are the conquerors this time around. And any agressor is not looked at in positive light. Who says that Arab life is more valuable than Jewish or ...... Not any reasonable man. But dissagreement with Israeli policy does not make one an anti-whatever. I hear the word thrown arond a lot and most of the time it is not justified.
    Especially when it comes to Arabs. They are a semitic people like the Jews so how can they be anti-semitic?
    Yes, Jews conquered their land back. Anti-Semitism is a german word that only means hatred towards Jews. The word is European, and at the time of its creation there were no Arabs in Europe. All semites were Jews.

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