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    L@mplighterM
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    Structural collapse on Temple Mount

    Structural collapse
    on Temple Mount
    Muslims blame Israel for failure of interior wall in Al-Aqsa Mosque

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    Posted: September 24, 2003
    9:17 p.m. Eastern



    © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

    An interior wall has collapsed at a hotly contested Jerusalem holy site, setting off fears of religious violence between Muslims and Jews.

    The Islamic Waqf, which administers the Al-Aqsa Mosque and Dome of the Rock shrines atop the Temple Mount, accused Israeli authorities of instigating the failure of the wall by preventing engineers from maintaining it.

    The collapsed wall is situated near the Islamic Museum.

    Adnan al-Husseini of the Waqf said the failure was the result of "the Israeli intervention in our work and preventing us from maintaining it after we stated it was in urgent need for a rapid action to prevent its collapse," according to multiple news reports from Israel.

    "It looks terrible," said Eliat Mazar, an Israeli archaeologist and Temple Mount expert and a leader of the committee for preventing the destruction of antiquities at the site. "This collapse might cause a terrific series of collapses."

    She charged the Waqf with directing "unsupervised" work in and around the Temple Mount resulting in the loss of archaeological treasures.

    Last December, WorldNetDaily reported a huge bulge had developed in an outer southern wall on the 37-acre Temple Mount, the holiest site in Judaism. Israel waited for Jordanian engineers to repair it.

    The Temple Mount is the foundation of the Jewish Temple that was destroyed in 70 A.D. by the Romans. Because it is the only remnant of the foundation, it is considered the holiest site for observant Jews – perhaps the only true holy site. Muslims claim it is the third holiest in their faith because two mosques were constructed on the site hundreds of years later.

    Despite the fact the Temple Mount is the only real estate in the world revered by Jews, Israel has turned over day-to-day administration of the area to the Waqf, an Islamic trust with close ties to Yasser Arafat's Palestinian Authority.

    A year-long dispute between Israel and the Waqf over who will fix the bulge was solved in October with a decision to involve the Jordanian engineers, who inspected and took a sampling of the protruding wall.

    A report the engineers subsequently issued recommended replacing some of the eroding stones in the 2,000-year-old wall to prevent it from future collapse.

    Israeli archeologists believe the bulge and the new wall collapse are due to unauthorized Waqf construction at an underground area known as Solomon's Stables, located on the other side of the wall. Reports say Muslim authorities are constructing yet another mosque at the Jewish holy site.

    Faulty drainage was cited by the Antiquities Authority as the probable cause for the bulge in its report, issued last year.

    Prior to the establishment of the Palestinian Authority in 1994, Jordan was in charge of maintenance at the Temple Mount. In the years since, the PA, seeking to gain a foothold in Jerusalem, ousted both the Jordanian-appointed Waqf director and the Jerusalem mufti – both of whom had for years quietly cooperated with Israel – and replaced them with its own people.

    Fearing renewed Palestinian violence, police barred non-Muslims from entering the Temple Mount for nearly two years after Ariel Sharon's controversial visit in September 2000, leaving the area without any archeological supervision. In recent weeks, non-Muslim tourists have been permitted back with police or military escorts.

    Newsweek has called the southern wall "The Armageddon wall," because the old rocks help support an enormous stone platform that holds the Al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock, among Islam's most sacred shrines.

    Should it collapse, some archeologists fear a doomsday effect – dead worshippers, perhaps in the thousands, riots throughout the Middle East and charges that Israel is responsible.


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    Lowell
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    undermining

    Sounds like the 'Waqf' was digging in an attempt to find Jewish antiquities to destroy and undermined the structural integrity of the Mount. What kills me is that Israel agreed to allow Muslims to administer the site. I mean, duh.

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    Lowell
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    more details

    The destruction of the Temple Mount Antiquities
    http://www.har-habayt.org/destruct.html

    In 1967, Jerusalem once again became a united city under Israel's sovereignty. The Old City section fell under Israeli administration. Since then, every Israeli President and Prime Minister has proclaimed the ever-lasting devotion of the Israeli people and government to the holiest place, revered by Jews, Christians and Moslems.

    For over 30 years Israel has in fact delegated almost all authority over the Temple Mount to the Islamic Clerics. By doing this, Israel showed her commitment to respect the rights of the Muslims.

    Now, as incredible as it seems, the Islamic Clerics deny any non-Moslem connection to the site. The Moslems also prevent archaeologists from investigating the site, one of the world’s most prominent ancient treasures.

    Israel has accepted its present inability to actively explore the Temple Mount. However, It is one thing to prevent exploration, and quite another to bulldoze through ancient structures without any archeological supervision.

    In 1996 the Islamic Clerics changed the accepted status quo that was kept for generations and converted two ancient underground Second Temple Period structures into a new large mosque. Both structures, known as Solomon’s stables and the Eastern Hulda Gate passageway, were never mosques before. The new mosque extends over an area of 1.5 acres, thus being the largest mosque in Israel, able to accommodate 10,000 people...
    http://www.har-habayt.org/

    I don't understand why Israel ever gave the 'Islamic Clerics' control over the Temple Mount. Jewish culture is being deliberately and irretrievably destroyed. The IDF needs to kick out these cultural terrorists.

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    Noam
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    Re: more details

    "I don't understand why Israel ever gave the 'Islamic Clerics' control over the Temple Mount."

    Because a THIEF, A Philanderer and all around [obscenity deleted] loser by the Name of Moshe Dayan-- Gave it away.
    The same Moshe Dayan that thought that the WHOLE OF ERETZ YISRAEL belongs to him and he can ROB HER ARCHEOLOGICAL TREASURES and sell them to the highest bidder. The Same Moeshe Dayat that thought that the roads of Israel BELONG TO HIM and could drive 120 miles/hr and NO POLICEMAN had the right to stop him...The same MOSHE DAYAN who frequented ISRAELI WOMEN ALL OVER THE COUNTRY and FORNICATED with as many as he wished BECAUSE THEY BELONGED TO HIM...
    THE SAME Moshe Dayan who told Golda that "The third Temple is Destroyed"...The same Moseh Dayan who got out scott Free after his MISERABLE FAILURE in the Yom Kippur War..

    This Man DECIDED almost singly handedly to HAND OVER THE Temple Mount to the WAQF to the Arabs a few hours Afater Mota Gur said: "Mantzur Sa!!!" AND ENTERED THE Lion's Gate over the burnt Motorcycle.

    Israel is CURSED with a few people who made some brilliant moves in their days and made and are making HORRIBLE MISTAKES and we LET THEM DO IT. PERES IS a good example--- he is POISEN. HE IS A CURSE. For an 80 year old person to stand and declare that ISRAEL IS RUNNING OUT OF TIME AND WE HAVE TO RUSH AND GIVE EVERYTHING TO THE ARABS---IS WORSE THAN A MILITARY DEFEAT.
    THE LAST THING ISRAEL HAS TO DO IS TO RUSH...

    WE MUST HAVE THE FORTITUDE TO WAIT A FEW GENERATIONS UNTIL ISLAM IS READY TO ACCEPT US. ANYTHING WE DO NOW on the spur of the MOMENT WILL BE "BECHIYA LEDOROT". Much the same as Dayan was a curse---Peres is a curse. Let's hope nobody listens to the [obscenity deleted] these days.

    The only ones who can destroy the JEws--Are the JEWS THEMSELVES. ANd we have plenty of destoryers who only see their SELFISH GLARE and COULD NOT CARE LESS ABOUT THE LONG TERM FATE OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE.
    Last edited by ibrodsky; 09-28-2003 at 08:41 AM.

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    L@mplighterM
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    Re: Re: more details

    Originally posted by Noam

    WE MUST HAVE THE FORTITUDE TO WAIT A FEW GENERATIONS UNTIL ISLAM IS READY TO ACCEPT US. ANYTHING WE DO NOW on the spur of the MOMENT WILL BE "BECHIYA LEDOROT". Much the same as Dayan was a curse---Peres is a curse. Let's hope nobody listens to the [obscenity deleted] these days.

    The trouble with waiting a couple of generations is that it’ll cost thousands of lives. It seems to me that time is of the essence to stop these dreadful attacks.

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    Noam
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    Re: Re: Re: more details

    Originally posted by L@mplighterM
    The trouble with waiting a couple of generations is that it’ll cost thousands of lives. It seems to me that time is of the essence to stop these dreadful attacks.
    Nope.

    First the IDF is getting better by the day and the number of casualties of the INtifada war is miniscule. More die in car accidents and homicides in Israel.
    Second--we lost over 20,000 in 6 or 8 wars---it will be a shame if we make another hasty move--blasphemy
    Third, We waited 2000 years, we can a few more decade to make it right. Haste makes Waste.
    Fourth, this is a SOCIAL change and that takes a LOT of time.
    Fifth....all those kids educated to live for ONLY ONE THING--TO KILL A JEW for ALLAH...must die first.
    Sixth....The Jews had to loiter in the Desert for 40 years until the LASt ofTHE Slave mentalitiy died. THere is a message there. Not every generation deserves to get to the promised land.

    In general.... those who pushed for a quick solution-- were the big losers... Know when to hold them, know whet to fold them. Know when to run...... Patience is a virtue.

    It is like trading. Until you enter the market--you are objective. Once you put a postition... ALL OF A SUDDEN THE MARKET HAS TO MOVE BECAUSE YOU ARE IN THE MARKET. VERY BAD THINKING.

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    So finish your sentence already.

    Israel must suffer until.........


    .......the Messiah comes.


    Is that it?

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    Lowell
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    It is just amazing and disconcerting that only 20 some years after the re-founding of Israel Israeli leaders begin making concessions to Israel's enemies, including ceding control of the Temple Mount. Is it surprising that these enemies commence the transmogrification of Solomon's Temple into a mosque? The more I look into this the more perplexed I become- how could Israelis give away this centerpiece of Judaism to those who want to destroy Judaism?

    Solomon's Temple
    http://www.solomonstemple.com/

    Temple Secrets
    http://home.earthlink.net/~tonybadillo/

    The Temple
    http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Jud...he_Temple.html

    And, Noam, how was Dayan allowed to present the Mount to the Muslims on a platter? Where was the Knesset in that? Didn't any prominent Israelis advise against it?

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    L@mplighterM
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: more details

    Originally posted by Noam
    Nope.

    First the IDF is getting better by the day and the number of casualties of the INtifada war is miniscule. More die in car accidents and homicides in Israel.
    Second--we lost over 20,000 in 6 or 8 wars---it will be a shame if we make another hasty move--blasphemy
    The death toll and lasting injuries from terrorism are enormous and this can’t be allowed to continue. I don’t get what you’re getting at when you make comparisons with MVA and homicides to murders made by terrorists.

    Are you saying that the loss of life to terrorism is more or less irrelevant because after all loss of life is greater in car crashes and homicides.

    I happen to think that the gift of live is precious and should be guarded and protected.

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    Noam
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: more details

    Originally posted by L@mplighterM
    .

    Are you saying that the loss of life to terrorism is more or less irrelevant because after all loss of life is greater in car crashes and homicides.

    I happen to think that the gift of live is precious and should be guarded and protected.
    You are entitled, but that is NOT how history workd. 60 million died in WWII, 50k in Vietnam, 650000 in Amercian Civil war....

    IT IS NOT THE NUMBERS that count. It is the wheels of history and the change of Human perception.
    As a private person you can bemoan the loss of life. As a leader of a nation--you cannot let this be a factor. There is a cost for everything

    Just because you want to save life--does not mean that a hasty decision today about the fate of a nation is right. The life you save today may cost much more later if you make an errouneous decision. (Like OSLO, for example)

    Why was Dayan allowed to do what he wanted with the STATE OF ISRAEL? He had charisma. He was a cyclop. He had charm. He was related to Weitzman..who knows? The fact is he was a thug and he caused Israel tremendous harm. PBUH.

    As to why does Israel give up so much for the Arabs?
    Some thinkers here ( and I agree with them) believe that 2000 years of Diasporah have embedded in the Jew that EXILE MENTALITY (Yehudi Gallutti) of which we have not yet gotten rid of. We are STILL AFRAID OF OUR SHADOWS. We are still marionetted by "WHAT WILL THE GOYIM SAY?"...
    True, Golda or Ben Gurion invented "UM SHMUM"....but the truth is that we are afraid of world opinion. ANd the fact that anti semitism is ONLY ON THE RISE---indicates that there this fear is not groundless.
    It is a curse being a jew.

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    L@mplighterM
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: more details

    Originally posted by Noam

    As to why does Israel give up so much for the Arabs?
    Some thinkers here ( and I agree with them) believe that 2000 years of Diasporah have embedded in the Jew that EXILE MENTALITY (Yehudi Gallutti) of which we have not yet gotten rid of. We are STILL AFRAID OF OUR SHADOWS. We are still marionetted by "WHAT WILL THE GOYIM SAY?"...
    True, Golda or Ben Gurion invented "UM SHMUM"....but the truth is that we are afraid of world opinion. ANd the fact that anti semitism is ONLY ON THE RISE---indicates that there this fear is not groundless.
    It is a curse being a jew.
    If you believe what you say is true then the answer lies in having a non-Jew take over the governing of Israel. But you know not all Jews are afraid of their own shadows, I have met many Jews that are fearless.

    Israel lacks someone that’s willing to carry the Sword of David into battle and defeat the Arabs, coloring the landscape red. Israel lacks someone that’s willing to place Jewish life on a pedestal and not send it’s soldiers into foolish battles (Jenin comes to mind).

    The battle against Islamic fundamentalism can be won but not by refusing to play the Queen. The battle against Islamic fundamentalism cant be won when it’s fought to please the Europeans, the US or other nations.

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    Noam
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: more details

    "coloring the landscape red"?????

    Whom are you kidding?

    You are talking about a culture of Death. A culture that sacrifices thier young ones for the NOBLE CAUSE of killing Jews. A culture that uses women as masturbation holes and birthgiving machines. A culture that multiplies faster that the best rabbits.

    The Palestinians who claim they are being 'holocausted' have multiplied at alarming rate in 30 years (and thanks to ISRAELI ADVANCED MEDICAL SERVICES lowered infant mortality to the lowest in the Arab world and extended life expectency considerably).

    Gaining control of the Holy land with rivers of blood is not in our cards (The JEwish Tarot).
    We always need to juggle the narrow bridge of JUSTIFIED ("reasonable") retaliation and preventive measures --and "WHAT WILL THE GOYIM SAY"

    It took the great united states several hundred years and a terrible civil war with at least 650,000,000 death of brothers killing brothers before it became a UNITED NATION.

    Israel is only 60 years old. A toddler. We are making a lot of mistake (normal learning curve) but we are progressing fine.

    It is going to be a very long process (Teddy Kollek, The wise Jerusaelm Mayor used to say that there will not be peace in the middle East for 12 generations..lately he softened and lowered it from 360 years to aboutg 300).
    Only when several generations of Israelis would have been born here and will Have NOWHERE to go--will we be accepted here.

    My main point is that losing patience now (as PERES demands)--will be a CARDINAL (Rabbinical?) mistake.

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