Proof Arafat paid for suicide bombers

[NewsGuy]

From Haaretz :

Israel presents document linking PA to terror attacks

The IDF presented a document Tuesday that was seized in the during a raid on the Ramallah office of Fuad Shubeiki, who heads the Palestinian Authority's financial apparatus. The document, which was sent to Shubeiki by the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, which is linked to Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat's Fatah faction, lists the organization's demands from the PA for suicide bombings that had already been carried out.

The document lists financial demands for ceremonies honoring suicide bombers as well as money to support families of the suicide bombers.

The fifth article of the document lists demands for producing explosive devices: "The cost of supplying electronic and chemical components for explosive devices and bombs - this was our largest expense. The cost of preparing a bomb is at least NIS 700. We need to equip five to nine bombs each week for our cells in various locations. NIS 5000 times four weeks equals NIS 20,000."

Article seven of the document details the "cost of 3,000 bullets for Kalachnikov rifles at a cost of NIS 7.5 per bullet, and 30,000 bullets for M-16 rifles at a cost of NIS 2 per bullet. We need the immediate transfer of funds so as to make the purchase - NIS 22,500 for Kalachnikov bullets and NIS 60,000 for M-16 bullets."

Alongside the document were comments and calculations carried out by Shubeiki's office.

Colonel Miri Eisen, a senior intelligence officer who presented the document... estimated Tuesday that Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat never signed documents tying him to the terrorist activities of various organizations, but that Shubeiki's signature, who is part of Arafat's inner circle, testifies to the PA's involvement in acts of terror.

Shubeiki was the individual who financed the purchase of the Karine A weapons ship from Iran in December 2001.

Dore Gold, an advisor to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, said Tuesday, that Shubeiki had visited Baghdad in August 2001 so as to coordinate positions with the Iraqi government, and that in May 2001 he was present at a meeting in Moscow during which the draft for joint activities between Iran and the PA was agreed upon.

Also seized in Shubeiki's office during the raid were hundreds of thousands of counterfeit shekels, which according to military estimates, were to be used to purchase explosives.

The Palestinian Authority stated that the counterfeit money seize in Arafat's Ramallah headquarters had been seized by Palestinian preventative security forces and belonged to Palestinian criminals that had collaborated with Israeli felons.

[zeronine]

Are we to seriously believe that the PIA is going to leave such incriminating documents just lying around waiting to be discovered. I mean, surely when the PIA saw the isreali tanks rolling into the PIA compound, the PIA would have been certain that Sharon was coming in after them, and hence they would have destroyed such documents, if they truly existed??

Or are we to simply beleive what the Sharon gov. tells us to believe??

Sorry, but it sounds implausible.

[Flame]

Yes jpd... its totally plausible... must be boxes and boxes of papers in all those offices... tanks are rolling in and those guys are running here running there... don't have the time or a near by moving truck to take the loads of papers with them... IDF must have mountains of papers to go though... and most of it is probably extremely incriminating... what else are they going to find at terrorism H. Q.?

[raven]

Give up JOHN...Israel WILL have the Proof it needs. You really are a bigoted piece of work..a worm.

[Anti-Intifada]

Originally posted by zeronine
Are we to seriously believe that the PIA is going to leave such incriminating documents just lying around waiting to be discovered. I mean, surely when the PIA saw the isreali tanks rolling into the PIA compound, the PIA would have been certain that Sharon was coming in after them, and hence they would have destroyed such documents, if they truly existed??

Yes, we are seriously to believe it because when terrorists are being shot at in a lightning strike operation and feel the heat of an Israeli Merkava tank shell whizz by their Arab headdress they FLEE faster than you can say ' Acccchhhhh.... Yazzer, stop humping your camel, grab the incriminating papers and start eating them before Sharon's boyz show up.'

[Flame]

Sort of odd though that all these world leaders and such... require signed documents that would incriminate him directly before accepting the fact that he is a terrorist today and always has been.

But hey... OJ is innocent... the murder weapon was never found.

[NewsGuy]

Well, it's not like Arafat was really going to call in Ted Koppel to televise his signing of the checks to pay for the suicide bombs, and then have Brit Hume shoot video of Arafat personally preparing the bombs and strapping them onto the suicide bombers.

Of course this type of documentary evidence is more than enough. It is exactly the same type of documentation seized by the US from the al Qaeda terrorist caves and buidings, even though al Qaeda knew for months in advance that the US was coming to get them, and still those documents were not destroyed.

So it goes.

The CIA is already poring over the documentation seized by Israel and the computers and weapons and counterfeit money presses presented by Israel, so they will know to authenticate it very quickly.

As if it's actually needed to figure out that Arafat is directly responsible for terrorism. What a joke.

[Ezra]

zeronine,

Do you really think that when Israeli tanks started surrounding Arafaat's HQ, any of his coward assistants would have cared a damn about anything except saving their lives?

If you know Palestinians well, you will know that all they care about is their personal interest and lives.

Do you think that Arafaat's assistants who are currently with him in his office are doing that for the sake of their love to their country or their president? No sir! They are just there because they were STUCK with him! If anyone of them had to choose, they were all have chosen to be on Hawaii now!

[Thair]

Hello! The source is the IDF. Of course the IDF is going to release a statement like that. Let's be frank, if Arafat did such an act, he would have been exiled by now. Also, is the Palestinian Authority stupid enpugh to leave such incriminating evidence while campaigning for world opinion.

[L@mplighterM]

Shortly after the story broke there were already cries of foul from the Arab World. Denial, denial and more denial has always been their game. For the most part the citizens of Pakistan still believe that Bin Laden wasn?t responsible for the 9/11. I recall seeing educated people from Pakistan (a moderate?) an Islamic country blaming the bombings on the Jews.

I don?t believe that the documents will have an impact regarding support for Israel from the Arab world. Further I?m certain that the funding will be justified as a matter of fact it already has because the suicide bombers are viewed as Freedom Fighters throughout Islam.

As far as the EU goes most of the countries there won?t care one way or the other. The US doesn?t need this information because I?m certain that they already know the PA/PLO supports terrorism

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by Thair
Let's be frank, if Arafat did such an act, he would have been exiled by now.

ok, let's be frank.

The IDF is a reliable source. Please tell me exactly which IDF claim has ever been made that was false? Or are you just trying to discredit anyone who doesn't agree with your point of view?

And let's also be frank about this - Palestinians have mass murdered Israelis in the streets every day. There are no issues of "proof." The ones perpertaring these attrocities are celebrated publicly by the Palestinians as heroes in Arafatistan and their families held in high regard and paid $25,000 cash. Was Arafat or anyone exiled for these acts? No. Quite the opposite. The world has given him the status of a protected leader.

So, your thinking that Arafat would have been exiled by now is plain wrong.

The fact is that Arafat will be exiled or hopefully killed when Israel decides to do the world a favor.

[Ezra]

The funny thing is that by the VERY strong denial of Arab world that Arafaat can do such thing, they are actually confessing that supporting these Al-Aqsa brigade is a terrible, awful accusation that no one wants to be associated with!

I thought these Muslims are proud with these people!!!! Funny!

[Thair]

Bash Arafat as much as you like. I really don't care. I do not consider an idiot to be my leader. What I have a problem with Israelis are being a bunch of crybabies because, for a change, world opinion is against them. America opinion, of course, is still very pro-Israeli. If you want to discuss grievances that Israelis have, I must discuss grievances non-Israelis have. Ever since Israel became a nation (and welll before that), she has done nothing than usurp land. Granted, let's say I agree with the UN's biased decision to give Israel most of the coast while Palestinians ended up under Jordanian or Egyptian control. The point is after 1967, for example, Israel has constantly taken land from the West Bank including the rest of the Middle East. This land is being used for settlements- rather thorns- for a "natural" growing population. Face the facts, Jewish population is decreasing. In fact, a Rabbi drew criticism when he said assimilation hurt the Jewish people far more than the Holocaust. After they usurp the land, people still surviving in the surrounding land are "fourth" class citizens. For example, people living in the West Bank can not go pray Friday prayer in Al Aqsa because of restrictions imposed by the occupation. Israelis, on the other hand, can roam freely pillaging the land.

Also, if you did not know, orthodox Jews ARE against the state of Israel. After all, isn't the 'Messaih' supposed to come and then establish the state? Thus, you have a secular state (somewhat) ravaging the people. Israel's problem stems that people in the region practice "An eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth." Granted, it can be wrong like General Sharon's incursion in the West Bank, and the killing of children at a pizzaria. Just know that Palestinians are not native Americans (no offense) whose forefathers believed in the white man's lies and ended up on reservations.

Also, Israel has only existed for 50 something years. In the Quran, around 1400 years ago (which by the way is the same anywhere you go- unlike the Bible and other books), in Surat Al Isra, the first verses talk about Jews plundering the Holy Land for a total of two times. Amazing, isn't it? So what do you derive? Derive that if Israel continues its course of action that another Saladin with the will of Allah will come and smash the evildoers. Then what would Jews do? Wait another couple thousand years?

[L@mplighterM]

Your leaders aren’t idiots I would venture to say that Arafat has plenty of investments, gold and money in Swiss banks. The average Palestinian doesn’t have a pot to ____ in. So you are right Leaders in the Arab world aren’t idiots.


Also, Israel has only existed for 50 something years. In the Quran, around 1400 years ago (which by the way is the same anywhere you go- unlike the Bible and other books), in Surat Al Isra, the first verses talk about Jews plundering the Holy Land for a total of two times. Amazing, isn't it? So what do you derive? Derive that if Israel continues its course of action that another Saladin with the will of Allah will come and smash the evildoers. Then what would Jews do? Wait another couple thousand years?

Judaism existed for thousand of years before the Koran was written. Further Israel has existed more than 50 years. Where do you get your information??? Did you read it on the ass of a camel? Weirdest thing I’ve read for quite awhile.

[Thair]

People just get dum and dummer. Israel was founded in 1948. OK, I blundered by writing 50 instead of 54ish. As far as thousands of years ago, are you refering to the pitiful excuse under the Romans? Or are you referring to the two states, none that were known as Israel ( Judais? in south and somebody in north)? I am definitely in line when I talk about "Israel" as the 1948 one -unless you flow with pride over the embarassing affairs of the Jews. Do not bring in Solomon or David. They are respectful prophets whom Jews love uttering lies about them or their actions. I just brought it up to indicate that is the only time period I know of in which the Jewish state was not an emabarassment. Where do I get the information in my previous post? The Quran of course, just as I wrote. And stop acting like a child and check sources other than CNN and all of that American rubbish. If you really need a noncolored man's paper, try Reuters. My mistake, they're French, and according to the sales of a book, they may prove to bizarre and whack for you.