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    Three Americans killed in Gaza blast

    A massive explosion ripped through a U.S. diplomatic vehicle Wednesday, killing at least three American security guards in the first attack on U.S. targets in the past three years of Israel-Palestinian fighting.

    Outgoing Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia denounced the attack but, of course, the PA will do nothing - a policy consistant with the tacit complicity of Arab League and OIC members.

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    These were US "monitors" who were killed.

    And get this: the convoy was escorted by Palestinian security. After the explosion, as they tried to evacuate the dead and wounded, Palestinian barbarians stoned them. Israel had to send in tanks to get them out of there.

    Of course, no one claims responsibility and Arafat "condemned" the attack.

    Hopefully, this will serve as a wake up call to the US.

    Stop giving money to the corrupt PA!

    Stop asking Israel to show restraint in dealing with these bloodthirsty savages!

    Declare the "Roadmap to Peace" officially dead!

    Publicly encourage Israel to win the war!

    Transfer the "Palestinians" back to Arab Palestine--a.k.a. Jordan!

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    ibrodsky
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    Of course, the shameless Palestinians are suggesting Israel was behind the bombing--even as Palestinians stoned the survivors.

    The bombing came hours after the US vetoed the Arabs' latest racist UN resolution--a resolution demanding that Israel keep the door open and light on for Palestinian mass murderers.

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    Tuesday, October 14, 2003
    PA sermon: Defends Haifa bombing, "We will not forget you, O Jerusalem, Haifa, Yafo, Lod, and Ramle" "take vengeance on the Jews and their allies"

    PA sermon: Defends Haifa bombing, "We will not forget you, O Jerusalem,
    Haifa, Yafo, Lod, and Ramle""take vengeance on the Jews and their allies"
    FBIS Report - Friday sermons broadcast from the West Bank and Gaza Strip on
    10 October September 2003:
    [With thanks to www.mideastweb.org/mewnews1.htm ]

    WEST BANK & GAZA STRIP

    Gaza Palestine Satellite TV Channel in Arabic, official television station
    of the Palestinian Authority, carries at 0937 GMT a live sermon from Shaykh
    Zayid Bin-Sultan Al Nuhayyan mosque in Gaza.

    Shaykh Ibrahim Mudayris delivers the sermon, which he devotes to
    underscoring the strong link between the holy mosque in Mecca and Al-Aqsa
    Mosque in Jerusalem. This link, he says, is signified by two major events in
    Islam: The prophet's night journey to Al-Aqsa, and the change of prayer
    direction from Al-Aqsa to the holy mosque in Mecca. The imam argues that the
    change of prayer direction does not detract from the importance of Al-Aqsa,
    as it came to please the prophet who yearned for his homeland, Mecca.

    The imam urges Palestinians everywhere to follow the example of the prophet
    on the love of homeland and vows: "We promise that we will not forget you, O
    land of Palestine. We promise that we will not forget you, O Al-Aqsa. We
    promise that we will not forget you, O Jerusalem, Haifa, Yafo, Lod, and
    Ramle."

    The imam continues with the same theme in the second sermon. He says:
    "Al-Aqsa Mosque, O Muslims, is not just a Palestinian, Arab, or Islamic
    cause, but also a world cause. There will be no security or peace on earth
    unless the Palestine question is settled justly by returning Al-Aqsa Mosque
    to its rightful owners." "The world," he adds, "will never enjoy security
    unless our children enjoy it here in Palestine. We hear statements by the
    little US President. We hear unfair and tyrannical statements in which he
    says Israel has the right to defend itself. These statements carry
    destruction for the United States itself." "From this place," the imam says,
    "we warn the American people that this President is dragging them to the
    abyss."

    The imam says: "If Israel has the right to defend itself, then the
    Palestinians also have the right to defend their blood and children. We have
    the right to defend our houses, which are being demolished right now in
    Rafah. We have the right to defend our children's blood, which is being
    spilled right now in Rafah."

    The imam defends the girl who carried out the Haifa operation, saying: "We
    have to defend our rights, land, and sanctities by all legitimate means. The
    terrorist is the one butchering innocent people there in Iraq and
    Afghanistan. The terrorist is the one butchering our brothers and children
    now in besieged Janin, Tulkarm, Ramallah, and all the villages of Palestine.
    They are the real terrorists."

    The imam concludes with this prayer: "O Lord, protect our people in Rafah,
    Janin, and the whole of Palestine. O Lord, protect our sons and youths and
    spare their blood. O Lord, O Avenger, take vengeance on Your enemies, our
    enemies, and enemies of religion. O Lord, take vengeance on the Jews and
    their supporters. O Lord, take vengeance on the Jews and their allies. O
    Lord, take vengeance for the blood of our martyrs. O Lord, take vengeance
    for our deported people."

    Gaza Palestine Satellite TV Channel in Arabic also carries the following
    report at 1300 GMT on 10 October: "President Yasir Arafat performed Friday
    prayers at the Protocol Mosque [Masjid al-tashrifat] in the presidential
    compound in Ramallah. The Friday imam, Shaykh Khamis Abda, denounced the
    Israeli aggression against our people and holy places. He affirmed that our
    people will remain solidly steadfast in the land of steadfastness and the
    night journey and the ascension to heaven in face of this escalation. The
    imam said that the Israeli machine of tyranny and death and destruction will
    not weaken our will. The imam called on our people to entrench national
    unity in face of the serious challenges and to rally around the wise
    leadership of the president until the establishment of the independent
    Palestinian state with Holy Jerusalem as its capital."

    The report includes a recording of a small part of the sermon in which the
    imam says: "It is important today to be one stand and one heart behind our
    leader. This example, O God's subjects, exists in many of the traditions and
    sayings by the prophet, peace be upon him." The imam then cites a tradition
    from the Hadith that says: "The true Muslim is the one who spares fellow
    Muslims his tongue and hand." The imam concludes with this prayer: "O Lord,
    preserve for us Jerusalem and Al-Aqsa Mosque. O Lord, protect our people and
    leader from every evil."

    Ramallah Voice of Palestine, official radio station of the Palestinian
    Authority, carries at 0937 GMT a live sermon from Al-Aqsa Mosque in
    Jerusalem.

    Shaykh Yusuf Abu-Sunaynah delivers the sermon, in which he calls on
    worshippers to observe their religious duties, avoid sins, and turn to God
    for pardon and mercy.

    In the second sermon, the imam alludes to the raid carried out by Israeli
    warplanes on Syrian territory, saying: "It is a blatant violation of the
    sovereignty of a member state of the United Nations, the Arab League, and
    the Organization of Islamic Conference. What has the world done in face of
    this aggression? The United States, in a statement by its President, openly
    supported the aggression, considering it self-defense. It also called on
    Syria to stop harboring what it terms armed groups."

    In an apparent criticism of Syria, the imam says: "Corrupt leaders are worse
    to their people than the imperialist states themselves. He who has the right
    cannot beg it. What did Syria do when the US President justified the Israeli
    aggression? It said it hoped that the United States would not use the veto
    right. What utter humility! What weakness! Syria had the right and it was
    the aggrieved party. Yet, it placed itself in a position of soliciting
    sympathy, while Israel brags and continues to make threats against Syria and
    Lebanon. How can there be victory? How can it be possible to stop the
    aggression?"

    The imam also directs his criticism at the Arab states for not condemning
    the aggression and says: "Our Islamic religion has indicated the bases of
    free, respectable life and explained that the State of Islam is the real
    strategy, the real power, future way, sound view, and most ideal solution to
    all our crucial issues. There is no honor for us without Islam and no
    dignity without the State of Islam. History will not have mercy on the
    defeatists. Is it not time our nation in the east and the west returned to
    its senses, awakened from its slumber, adhered to its religion, and worked
    for the establishment of its state, the State of the Caliphate, the state of
    right, justice, and victory?"

    The imam concludes with a prayer to God to support Islam and Muslims and
    improve Muslim conditions. He prays: "O Lord, deal with the enemies of Islam
    for they are within Your power."
    Source (via Little Green Footballs): http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=18528

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    You mean the other 45 or so Americans murdered by those pork sucking scumbags don't count?

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    This is a VERY disturbing and as far as I am aware, an unprecidented development. What on earth were they thinking? Next time the Palestinians should simply bomb themselves and save time and lives.

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    Gilgamesh
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    Originally posted by andak01
    This is a VERY disturbing and as far as I am aware, an unprecidented development. What on earth were they thinking? Next time the Palestinians should simply bomb themselves and save time and lives.
    Obviously, as long as Arabs like you, were bombing Jews, women children and elderly, it wasn't "VERY disturbing as far as I aware", was it?

    As hoping for Arabs to bomb themselves, its a wish shared by most of the civilezed worlds, outside Europe.

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    Of course it is disturbing. But as we all know from the war in Iraq, American lives are worth more than anybody else's casualties. We grieve more for 300 Americans than for 3000 Iraqis. Therefore, this even takes precident over all others in Israel. Prepare to see some action.

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    from the BBC:

    There have been reports of jubilation among Palestinians in a nearby refugee camp - our correspondent says anger has been growing at what some perceive as Washington's one-sided approach to the Mid-East crisis.

    US embassy personnel who went to the scene a few hours after the attack were forced to leave after Palestinian youths threw stones at them - Palestinian security sources had to fire in the air to disperse the crowd.

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    That's the beginning of the end for Palestine. Too bad they don't have any oil or we would be sending our troops in today.

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    ibrodsky
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    Originally posted by andak01
    Of course it is disturbing. But as we all know from the war in Iraq, American lives are worth more than anybody else's casualties. We grieve more for 300 Americans than for 3000 Iraqis. Therefore, this even takes precident over all others in Israel. Prepare to see some action.
    No, you grieve more for 3,000 Iraqis killed by the US in one of the most immaculate military campaigns in history than for the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis butchered at the hands of their own dictator.

    You also go out of your way to avoid basic questions of justice. Morality is not determined by the number of dead. It is determined by which side attacks its neighbors without provocation--and which side comes to the neighbors defense. It's determined by which side is ruled by a brutal dictator, and which side elects leaders, holds them responsible for their actions at the helm, and periodically replaces them to prevent gross abuses of power. It's determined by which side massacres its own inhabitants and which side acts to prevent such massacres.

    The three innocent Americans killed today were not more or less important than other innocents killed. However, the attack does illustrate the Palestinian mentality that says every conflict must be resolved through violence--the more brutal and senseless the better.

    The point some of us are making is that we realize the world places little or no value on Jewish lives. We are hoping, however, they will at least value the lives of their own, wake up, and see the evil that pervades Palestinian society for what it is.

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    andak01
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    Originally posted by ibrodsky
    [It is determined by which side attacks its neighbors without provocation--and which side comes to the neighbors defense.
    In 1990, that would be Saddam. In 2003, America was the one that invaded, not Iraq.

    It's determined by which side is ruled by a brutal dictator, and which side elects leaders, holds them responsible for their actions at the helm, and periodically replaces them to prevent gross abuses of power.
    I'm very happy to see Saddam gone. That is the best result of what has happened in Iraq. My vision of Saddam without the war is one of impotence. I would have supported military pressure, intensive monitoring and if necessary an international coalition force. I am not, nor was I ever pro-Saddam.

    It's determined by which side massacres its own inhabitants and which side acts to prevent such massacres.
    Not by which side uses weapons of mass destruction and which side is merely rumored to have them? Not by the side that enables a tyrant, profits from the enabling and then destroys the tyrant and tries to profit from that as well, as opposed to the tyrant himself.

    The three innocent Americans killed today were not more or less important than other innocents killed. However, the attack does illustrate the Palestinian mentality that says every conflict must be resolved through violence--the more brutal and senseless the better.
    Thus far, the Palestinians have limited themselves to Israelis so as not to bring down the wrath of America. I guess they simply don't care anymore.

    The point some of us are making is that we realize the world places little or no value on Jewish lives.
    I do. I don't think anyone deserves to be killed because of their religion.

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    Originally posted by Gilgamesh
    Obviously, as long as Arabs like you, were bombing Jews, women children and elderly, it wasn't "VERY disturbing as far as I aware", was it?

    As hoping for Arabs to bomb themselves, its a wish shared by most of the civilezed worlds, outside Europe.

    Well didn't he say it was disturbing more than once? What else do you want?

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    ibrodsky
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    Originally posted by andak01
    In 1990, that would be Saddam. In 2003, America was the one that invaded, not Iraq.
    No, Saddam invaded Kuwait and was kicked out by a US-led coalition. He continued to seek WMDs, commit war crimes, and support terrorism. He used chemical weapons against the Kurds and Iranians. He massaced his own citizens in southern Iraq. He gave material support and safe harbor to Palestinian terrorists. He kicked out UN inspectors and refused to explain what happened to large stores of chemical weapons.

    It is simplistic and dishonest to paint Saddam as the wronged party in 2003.

    I'm very happy to see Saddam gone. That is the best result of what has happened in Iraq. My vision of Saddam without the war is one of impotence. I would have supported military pressure, intensive monitoring and if necessary an international coalition force. I am not, nor was I ever pro-Saddam.
    You are "happy" to see him gone particularly now that the lies, the mass graves, and the terrorist training camps have been exposed.

    But you would rather have seen him ousted by an impotent foreign policy that never ousted a single tyrant.

    Not by which side uses weapons of mass destruction and which side is merely rumored to have them? Not by the side that enables a tyrant, profits from the enabling and then destroys the tyrant and tries to profit from that as well, as opposed to the tyrant himself.
    These are tired, mean-spirited, and baseless accusations.

    To the simpletons of the Left, everything the US does is for oil profits. Meanwhile, their favorite politicians complain the war in Iraq is costing the US too much.

    Actually, it was Saddam who ruled in order to monopolize Iraq's oil wealth. There were basically two classes in Iraq: Saddam, his sons, and a close circle of supporters; and the deprived masses.

    Thus far, the Palestinians have limited themselves to Israelis so as not to bring down the wrath of America. I guess they simply don't care anymore.
    This is not true. Palestinians have staged mass murder attacks all over the world for decades. These were not the first Americans killed by Palestinian savages.

    What is unique about this attack is that, particularly since 2001, the Palestinians have pretended their complaint is only with Israel. They even pretend their complaint is with "settlers" and the Israeli government. But we know better: their complaint is with Jews and Westerners in general and is based on prejudice and bigotry.

    I do. I don't think anyone deserves to be killed because of their religion.
    That's nice, but you rush to defend regimes that have persecuted Jews and Christians for decades.

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    Originally posted by ibrodsky
    Of course, the shameless Palestinians are suggesting Israel was behind the bombing--even as Palestinians stoned the survivors.


    I certainly don't doubt this some were stoning survivors, nor do I doubt they were trying to suggest Israel was behind this bombing.

    Where are you reading these 2 pieces of information from please?
    I just haven't seen any mention of it other than here and would love to see who has mentioned it.


    TIA


    edit: Ah, ok, I have since located remarks made about the Palestinian cheering on BBC.
    Funnily enough, that is the first source I have read today making any mention of this.
    I suppose I shouldnt be suprised if this is true that much of the media would have chosen to omit this from their reports.

    I've yet to see anyone make reference to this having been done by Israelis, although it was the first thing that popped into my head when I first heard of this bombing, that it was only a matter of time before someone tried to suggest it.
    Last edited by Kev; 10-15-2003 at 09:53 AM.

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