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    Haaretz: U.S. warned Turkey of attacks against Israeli, U.S. targets

    Last Update: 16/11/2003 11:31

    U.S. warned Turkey of attacks against Israeli, U.S. targets

    By Amos Harel, Aluf Benn, Gideon Alon and Yoav Stern, Haaretz Correspondents, and News Agencies



    "The U.S. warned the Turkish authorities some two
    months ago that terrorists could strike at Israeli
    or American targets in the country, the Saudi
    newspaper al-Watan reported on Sunday. The report
    also said that the U.S. warned the authoritiesthat members of an Islamic extremist group had
    crossed into Turkey from either Iran or Iraq.

    Israel's consul-general to Turkey, Amira Arnon said Sunday that the Jewish community there had recently
    received non-specific warnings of a possible attack
    and had beefed up security around the synagogues.

    The reports come a day after 23 people were killed and
    hundreds wounded in blasts at two synagogues in the Turkish city of Istanbul.

    The French news agency, AFP, quoted Arnon as
    saying, "this toll is a tragic pointer for the
    future of Jewish and Muslim relations in
    Turkey."

    Prime Minister Ariel Sharon told his cabinet on
    Sunday morning that the Israeli government has
    every confidence in the Turkish authorities to
    catch those behind Saturday's bomb attacks.

    Sharon told his ministers that the bombings
    showed that "terrorism knows no bounds". He
    opened the weekly cabinet meeting with a
    statement expressing Israel's condolences "to
    the families of those slain, Jews and Muslims -
    members of all faiths - in the despicable
    terror attack yesterday [Saturday] in
    Istanbul."

    "We saw yesterday yet again that terrorism knows
    no bounds. Terrorism doesn't discriminate by
    religion or blood. The aim of terrorism is one,
    to sow fear and terror through the slaying of
    innocent people," Sharon said.

    "The government of Israel has full confidence
    the Turkish security and legal authorities will
    know how to capture those responsible for the
    despicable murder and bring them to justice,"
    he said.

    A Turkish television station and newspaper
    reported on Sunday that local police had
    arrested three suspects in connection with the
    attacks.

    The Hurriyet newspaper identified the suspects
    as two men and a woman. Television station NTV,
    however, reported that two of the suspected
    were women, both of whom wore traditional
    Muslim headscarves, which is quite uncommon in
    the mostly secular Muslim state.


    Israeli security officials meanwhile arrived in
    Turkey late Saturday night and were examining
    the sites of the double bombing.

    The Israeli team will assist local investigators
    and will also advise other Israeli and Jewish
    institutions in the country on security
    measures.

    Israeli security officials believe that
    Al-Qaida, or some affiliated Islamic extremist
    group, was responsible for the attacks.
    Hezbollah is not believed to be behind the
    attack.

    Al-Qaida is the main suspected, despite a claim
    by a militant Turkish Islamic group, widely
    believed to be backed by Iran, that it was
    responsible for the blasts.

    "An attack of this scope," a senior Israeli
    security official told Haaretz, "was apparently
    planned by a large international terror
    organization... We are talking about Al-Qaida,
    or something similar to it. Local extremists in
    Turkey also probably contributed to the
    attack."

    Turkish officials also said Al-Qaida might have
    had a hand in the attacks. "It is clear that
    this is a terrorist event with international
    links," Foreign Minister Gul said. Turkish
    Interior Minister Abdulkadir Aksu also said
    that he could not rule out an Al-Qaida link to
    the explosions.

    According to the Jewish Agency, six of those
    killed in the blasts - including an
    eight-year-old girl - and 80 of those injured
    have been identified as Jews. The explosions
    went off at around 9:30 A.M. on Saturday
    morning.

    Among the dead are a security guard who stood in
    front of one of the synagogues, identified as
    Yoel Cohen Ulcer, 19, and a police officer. The
    Jewish Agency identified the Jews who were
    killed at the Beth Israel synagogue as Ulcer;
    Anet Rubinstein, 8, and her grandmother, Anna
    Rubinstein, 85; Beto Avraham Varol, about 45;
    and Yona Romano, about 55. Berta Ozdogan, 35,
    who Army Radio reported was four months
    pregnant, was killed in the blast at the Neve
    Shalom synagogue.

    The Jewish victims of the attack will be laid to
    rest on Tuesday.

    Turkish police said the explosive-laden vehicles
    used in the attacks were not driven by suicide
    bombers, but Gul later said he believed the
    attacks were the work of suicide bombers.

    In a telephone call to the Anatolia news agency,
    a caller claiming to be from the Great Eastern
    Islamic Raiders' Front said the militant group
    was responsible for the attacks, and promised
    more. The caller said "the attacks would
    continue in the future and the reason was that
    to prevent the oppression against Muslims,"
    Anatolia said.

    Police have accused the group, also known as
    IBDA-C, for a bombing attack which injured 10
    people in downtown Istanbul on December 31,
    2000. However, no one has claimed
    responsibility for that attack.

    Images recorded by surveillance cameras
    positioned at the Neve Shalom synagogue show an
    individual parking a red car outside the
    synagogue and then leaving the area, Israel
    Radio reported. According to Turkish media, the
    car exploded shortly afterward.

    One explosion went off outside the Neve Shalom
    synagogue, the city's largest. The other
    severely damaged the Beth Israel synagogue in
    the affluent district of Sisli, 5 kilometers
    away, where members of the city's tiny Jewish
    community live.

    Twisted metals, shattered windows and debris
    from partly collapsed synagogues and nearby
    buildings filled the streets. The scent of
    smoke and burned bodies filled the air.

    Television footage showed medical teams carrying
    away several people, some with bloodied or
    charred faces. Private NTV television showed
    the twisted wreckage of a car and a huge crater
    in front of the Neve Shalom synagogue.

    Sadettin Gul, an eyewitness, said, "It was like
    a war zone."

    Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan vowed to
    avenge the attacks. "I condemn this act as an
    act of terror against humanity," Erdogan told
    reporters on an official visit to northern
    Cyprus.

    The Neve Shalom synagogue is the most important
    spiritual center for Istanbul's 20,000 Jews. In
    1986, gunmen, believed to be Palestinians,
    attacked the synagogue, killing 22 worshippers
    and wounding six during a Sabbath service.

    Jewish sites have been targeted in recent
    attacks blamed on militants linked to Osama bin
    Laden's Al-Qaida - notably in Casablanca,
    Morocco, in May and a Tunisian synagogue bombed
    in April 2002, that killed 20 people, mainly
    German tourists."
    source: Haaretz 11/16

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    Re: Haaretz: U.S. warned Turkey of attacks against Israeli, U.S. targets

    Originally posted by D.Abraham
    Last Update: 16/11/2003 11:31

    U.S. warned Turkey of attacks against Israeli, U.S. targets

    By Amos Harel, Aluf Benn, Gideon Alon and Yoav Stern, Haaretz Correspondents, and News Agencies




    source: Haaretz 11/16
    I also read in the Jerusalem Post, that Mossad had also warned Turkey. Like Canada many countries believe they are untouchable; though Turkey has no excuse for not taking heed from any blips shown on their radar screen. They have a track record throughout their history which would or should be enough forewarning. Not to mention secular diversity.

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    Hmm is this true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurgayCoskun
    Hmm is this true?
    it was in 2003. they are warning since Turkey's indepence but no result =)) only warning warning warning warning =)))

    Now i'm warning them... Do you know the reason?

    http://www.yenicaggazetesi.com.tr/guncel.asp?altid=5474

    Mossad has sent Israeli Bombs with El-Qaeda member for to destroy some targets (decided by mossad).
    Suddenly Mossad and Israel said to Jewish Ships which travels to Turkey
    -Do not go to Turkey (the Ships).
    They knew what will happen. Then M.I.T (Turkish Int. Agency) found Syrian Al qaeda member with ISRAELI BOMBS in Turkey.
    How MOSSAD knew it and suddenly Israeli government warned Jewish touristes to dont visit Turkey?
    M.I.T found out that Syrian Al qaeda member ( Luia Sakra ) had great relations with CIA!

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    But anyway, USA still warning Turkey for to do not enter to Iraq... i mean Turkish Troops. But Turkey is insist and USA made a U turn, then they said

    "We have nothing to do with it, Turkey should to talk this with FREE, DEMOCRATIC IRAQI government"

    I mean USA's warnings are just false...

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    Israel is really screwing up his relation with Turkey..The obvioeus support towards the Kurds of Iraq will destroy it eventually..This will mean that Israel may lose his only allie in the region...

    It hurts me to see how the Israelis can betrays his friends like this..The Turks in the Ottoman empire and in the current Turkey has always supported en protected the jews..I just want to say that the Turks do not respond well to betrayal...Iff Israel supports the Kurds claim on Turkish grounds then i see no reason why the Turks woudn't do the same..mayby we schould start training Hamas militants like you do the pesmerges..

    Please, do not try to convince me by telling me that those are only rumours..we know that is simply not treu..

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurK33 View Post
    Israel is really screwing up his relation with Turkey..The obvioeus support towards the Kurds of Iraq will destroy it eventually..This will mean that Israel may lose his only allie in the region...

    It hurts me to see how the Israelis can betrays his friends like this..The Turks in the Ottoman empire and in the current Turkey has always supported en protected the jews..I just want to say that the Turks do not respond well to betrayal...Iff Israel supports the Kurds claim on Turkish grounds then i see no reason why the Turks woudn't do the same..mayby we schould start training Hamas militants like you do the pesmerges..

    Please, do not try to convince me by telling me that those are only rumours..we know that is simply not treu..
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    check the date of the article

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurK33 View Post
    Israel is really screwing up his relation with Turkey..The obvioeus support towards the Kurds of Iraq will destroy it eventually..This will mean that Israel may lose his only allie in the region...

    It hurts me to see how the Israelis can betrays his friends like this..The Turks in the Ottoman empire and in the current Turkey has always supported en protected the jews..I just want to say that the Turks do not respond well to betrayal...Iff Israel supports the Kurds claim on Turkish grounds then i see no reason why the Turks woudn't do the same..mayby we schould start training Hamas militants like you do the pesmerges..

    Please, do not try to convince me by telling me that those are only rumours..we know that is simply not treu..
    America is Isreal's ally. It is unfortunate that you have to deal with such a long string of weak and inept leaders. Luckily our form of government will eventually allow us to get lucky and a strong leader will be elected. Once that happens things will change. It pains me to see people have little faith in the word of the American government, America is supposed to stand by their word. It's an honor thing, something most Americans hold dear to their hearts. It's only a matter of time before the American people begin demanding better government, but I've been saying that for years.

    I hate having our(America's) hands and feet bound together as to make it damn near impossible to stick to your guns so to speak. Isreal should be concerned about possibly damaging relations with the few muslim nations that don't call for your destruction and annihilation. But what good will it do for Isreal to have a "friendship" with Turkey? You don't honestly believe they would ever side with Isreal in a crisis involving other muslim nations do you?? If I were an Isreali I wouldn't trust anyone in the region. Period. Good luck with that in any case. I sure hope the Patriot Missiles have been vastly improved since the Gulf War, especially now that Iran will have nukes or may already have nukes.

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    easy to write from miles away but hard to live in middle east aswell... imagine usa with enemies all around the borders, canada mexico and around it... same situation for usa and israel as big bro...

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    Israel is really screwing up his relation with Turkey..The obvioeus support towards the Kurds of Iraq will destroy it eventually..This will mean that Israel may lose his only allie in the region...

    It hurts me to see how the Israelis can betrays his friends like this..The Turks in the Ottoman empire and in the current Turkey has always supported en protected the jews..I just want to say that the Turks do not respond well to betrayal...Iff Israel supports the Kurds claim on Turkish grounds then i see no reason why the Turks woudn't do the same..mayby we schould start training Hamas militants like you do the pesmerges..

    Please, do not try to convince me by telling me that those are only rumours..we know that is simply not treu..


    Well, Turkey can always throw out its Jews.... you can always borrow the example from your Arab friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mil View Post
    Well, Turkey can always throw out its Jews.... you can always borrow the example from your Arab friends.
    yes, as the USA did same for Iraqis... So spanish did not throw you out, right? maybe Turkey must to learn something from their Christian brothers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by serdar View Post
    easy to write from miles away but hard to live in middle east aswell... imagine usa with enemies all around the borders, canada mexico and around it... same situation for usa and israel as big bro...
    As an American I can't imagine living in a place surrounded by sworn enemies. Which is why I wholeheartedly support Isreal and the Isrealis. Isreal's sworn enemies are America's sworn enemies. An enemy that will not stop until we are both slaughtered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurK33 View Post
    Israel is really screwing up his relation with Turkey..The obvioeus support towards the Kurds of Iraq will destroy it eventually..This will mean that Israel may lose his only allie in the region...

    It hurts me to see how the Israelis can betrays his friends like this.
    What business is it of yours/Turkey's what Kurds in Iraq are up to? Is there a Turkish law that says that Kurds cannot have a nation of their own - no matter where in the world it is? Or even if not their own nation - just on what grounds can you object to any nation of the West -Israel included - for supporting the Kurds (long overdue) self-determination. Are you racist against Kurds? Do younot think that they are capable of taking care of their own business? Do you think that Turkey has legitimate territorial claims in Northern Iraq.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurK33 View Post
    The Turks in the Ottoman empire and in the current Turkey has always supported en protected the jews.
    While everyone is certainly familiar with (comendable) aid given to Sephardic Jews of Spain by (allowing them to enter and prosper in) the Ottoman Empire (600 years ago?) and the notable role of certain Turks (including consular officials in France & Germnay) in aiding Jews during the Holocaust less are likely aware of the severe (and sometimes violent) discrimination experienced by Jews within the Republic of Turkey due to the occasional rise of racist (Turkish and) Islamic fevor. Significant episodes occured in the 1930s (with laws restricting non-Muslim property rights and ability to own businesses), the 1940s (where special outlandish sized confiscatory taxes were imposed on non-Muslims forcing a great many into financial ruin and forcing many into indentured servitude) and most notably in 1955 with (government sponsored) pogroms directed at Greeks, Armeninas and Jews in Istanbul -

    "In the 1930s, Ataturk developed racist theories that all history and languages flow from Turkish history and language. Ever since, the Turkish state has "believed that there should be one language, one nation, one culture, one religion" - Kemalism effectively established the "Turkification of Gobineau's theory of the racial, and therefore civilizational, superiority of the Aryans."

    These theories are still taught in Turkish schools-and founded the basis for discriminatory laws passed against Greeks and other non-Muslims during the 1930s and later.

    In 1932, for example, nine years after the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne, Turkey violated the treaty with impunity, imposing a series of 31 crippling laws to reduce Greek (and other non-Muslim) political, legal, economic and cultural strength. Some 10,000 Greek citizens were deprived of their livelihoods as tailors, merchants, photographers, carpenters, doormen, lawyers, doctors and realtors and forced to emigrate, penniless, to Greece.

    In 1941 and 1942, the government began the mass deportation of minority men aged 18 to 38. The forced labor battalions of the so-called 20 generations of Jews, Greeks and Armenians were meant never again to see the light of day. Then in 1942, the government established the varlik vergesi, a capital tax so onerous as to impose financial ruin on the community.

    The tax was set at confiscatory rates--Greek Orthodox at 156 percent of annual income, Jewish at 179 percent, and Armenian at 232 percent, compared to the 4.96 percent annual income tax suffered by Muslim Turks-- and applied to everyone, including minority bell hopes and taxi drivers. At least one newspaper spoke of "liquidation" of the minority mentality and their populations, by inducing them to leave Turkey.

    These provisions strongly resemble the ruinous jizya (poll) and kharaj (land) taxes imposed on legions of earlier generations of non-Muslim dhimmis. The varlik vergesi also deprived the community of its wealth, imposing severe penalties if Greek and other non-Muslim citizens did not pay within fifteen days of its promulgation. Massive numbers of minority properties and businesses were ultimately transferred to Muslim hands, much as khalifs in earlier eras had expropriated them, forcing non-Muslims often to convert to Islam to survive."

    "The 1955 pogrom came in three well-organized waves....the government organized the roughly 100,000 necessary students, labor unionists and other rioters and transported them to Istanbul to destroy, within nine hours, the homes and businesses of 85,000 Greeks scattered through 45 hilly square kilometers in areas hard to access from one another. The pogromists came equipped with lists of Greek addresses to target, though the Armenian and Jewish communities were also hit. Armenians lost 1,000 stores, 150 homes, three churches and four schools, while Jewish residents lost 500 shops, 25 homes, and suffered damage to one synagogue."

    http://www.amazon.com/Mechanism-Cata.../dp/0974766038

    Even the supposed historical tolerance of Jews in the Ottoman Empire is perhaps 6 parts fiction to every 4 of reality as one can imagine life as part of a dhimmi community might be living in a Muslim caliphate...


    Quote Originally Posted by TurK33 View Post
    .I just want to say that the Turks do not respond well to betrayal...Iff Israel supports the Kurds claim on Turkish grounds then i see no reason why the Turks woudn't do the same..mayby we schould start training Hamas militants like you do the pesmerges..
    Again - what is the Turkish claim on Iraqi territory you refer to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanFanatic View Post
    As an American I can't imagine living in a place surrounded by sworn enemies. Which is why I wholeheartedly support Isreal and the Isrealis. Isreal's sworn enemies are America's sworn enemies. An enemy that will not stop until we are both slaughtered.
    nobody will slaughter you or Israel... but USA can't be able to defend Israel forever.
    Chinese submarine harrased American ships last month, they could hit very easy, Iran is spying american ship from 1 km away it's currently on the news, North Korea shoots some nuclear stuff around you are weak, Venezuella can cut the oil whenever it wants you are weak, there's a huge unstopable chaos in Iraq but you're weak... digged into the mud. what else Israel should to expect from USA i'm seriously wondering...
    USA crashed to own domestic politics aswell and proved itself with Katherine Hurricane, borders with Mexico and more and more and more...
    So, we are not watching Hollwood movies like Rambo, BlackHawk Down, Terminator or Cyborg. It's the real life, i strongly suggest you wake up, visit the middle east countries especially to Israel and see the situation.
    It should be really cool to eat your fatburger, drink Mexican Corona (really cool taste) make fantasy with gf, listen some rock alive, a great job or education away from the real war.

    Again - what is the Turkish claim on Iraqi territory you refer to?
    blame the Britts, they invaded and sold to the arabs. Britts have more role than Turks.
    i can give a call to Lloyd George and reserve time for you for an interview

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    Quote Originally Posted by serdar View Post
    nobody will slaughter you or Israel... but USA can't be able to defend Israel forever.
    Chinese submarine harrased American ships last month, they could hit very easy, Iran is spying american ship from 1 km away it's currently on the news, North Korea shoots some nuclear stuff around you are weak, Venezuella can cut the oil whenever it wants you are weak, there's a huge unstopable chaos in Iraq but you're weak... digged into the mud. what else Israel should to expect from USA i'm seriously wondering...
    USA crashed to own domestic politics aswell and proved itself with Katherine Hurricane, borders with Mexico and more and more and more...
    So, we are not watching Hollwood movies like Rambo, BlackHawk Down, Terminator or Cyborg. It's the real life, i strongly suggest you wake up, visit the middle east countries especially to Israel and see the situation.
    It should be really cool to eat your fatburger, drink Mexican Corona (really cool taste) make fantasy with gf, listen some rock alive, a great job or education away from the real war.

    blame the Britts, they invaded and sold to the arabs. Britts have more role than Turks.
    i can give a call to Lloyd George and reserve time for you for an interview

    Man you seriously misunderstand America. And what's wrong with drinkin an occasional beer? Finnish aren't that prudish are they? This perception that America is weak has been around since the beginning of our nation. The Japanese made that fatal presumption leading up to WWII, as did Hitler. Our leaders are weak, that I will admit...but the people? Hardly. It is that misconception that will bring about WWIII, there is no doubt in my mind that this will happen. But it will turn out to be a fatal mistake by our enemies, America is not weak.

    If all those things happened and our oil was cut off and China attacked, and blah blah blah...well I wonder if you realize that America is one of the largest producers of crude and is the largest referiner of oil. There will be no shortage of desiel for our military in the event of war, the American government would just do the same thing it did in WWII and ration gasoline for civilians so the military will never be short. And since when does China's navy strike fear into America's navy?? Quite the opposite buddy, there is no naval power that can match American naval might(surface or submarine). There is no airpower that can match American pilots. Period. We will own the seas and we will own the air...and no army has more experience with amphibious assaults or general warfare than America. No nation on Earth has faught more modern wars in the past 100 years than the United State of America. To call us weak is baseless and ignorant.

    The only weakness our military has is in carrying out an occupation of a foriegn land. The reason for this? Because WE ARE A DEMOCRACY, we do not rule like imperialists. It goes against everything that is written in our sacred constitution. Your misconceptions will be the death of militant Islam and anyone else who sides with that form of evil, whether it be China or Russia or whatever. If only you knew the type of ignorance you have just displayed, America under direct threat of annihilation is nothing like the America that lives under the security of peace. You will see this my friend, for I know enough people in this country to know what its true make up is composed of. That much you can be certain.

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