HomeIt appears it always comes back to the jew. The present situation, though making for entertaining TV viewing, is the most serious situation in the world since WW2.
It needs to stop. The only reason suicide bombers have been in operation is clearly to kill jews. The only political statement is to rid jews of the pride of owning their own land.
Look at a map. Gaza and West Bank simply should not have been created. What's wrong with having seperate mayors or governors controlling the DISTRICT? Works pretty well in NY. Sharon is clawing back town-by-town what is rightfully ours. The move OUT of Qalqiliya and Tulkarem, i hope, is a media offensive designed to make the world think he's listening to Bush. I'm as leftwing as they get, i deplore racism, i despise prejudice in any form, i believe patriotism is as relevant today as pencils are to worms, and i hate war. But Israel is right. Remove terrorists , remove terrorism. Void 1947 treaties or 1962 agreements, cos hey, they were set up as some BS to give back a scrap of land to a people who've had NOTHING for 2,000-odd years. I'm tempted to swear but my sensibilities get the better of me. And the arab world won't even allow that. It took two "world" wars for caucasians to realise the hell they did to jews since the dawn of THEIR time, for them to feel guilty enough to graciously allow Israel to exist...(!) Why won't the Arabic world allow Israel to exist in its entirety? Is the downfall of Israel and Jews their true aim? Or are they scared, like everyone else, of what the Jew will do? And what does the Jew do? Live and die. Human. These people are sick. They hate themselves so much they wanna destroy a whole race of people. Disgusting. War against Israel is futile because good always triumphs - look back at our history. We're still here now despite all this **** that's gone on. This seems like one last attempt to extinguish the jew once and for all. Everything's in place. You have america, europe and the mid east/asia all dipping in and out of pally treaties and non compos "war on terrorism" agreements.. the whole thing could go belly up any time.
As a man of pure logic, there are two possible outcomes IMO. One: america persuades israel to back out of west bank/gaza and initiates talks with palestine/israel. Israel settles for this viable autonomous state crap and hands over control of its land to a foreign force with ties to islamic extremism and incredible anti-jewish sentiment. I doubt this will happen. The only problem is (this is the second outcome) if powell fails to persuade sharon to end the offensive, Israel will finally claim what is rightfully Israel's - 100% of the land. (You would never expect any other country anywhere in the world to NOT own all of its own land! Even britain went to war over a tiny island at the bottom of S America that wasn't its own!) The shock waves for the palestinian people losing a war against Israel (the war of pride: not allowing Jews to have their own country) will ripple down the Muslim trees of fire. Then what? Will the fkd ideology lead to a supposed Christian & Jewish war against Islam? Honestly what is wrong with these people. It's time they saw Israel has a right to exist FREE from non-jewish intervention. We can run a country - nay, we have the RIGHT to run a country - but there's so many people wrestling against it..
Ugh. It looks like a lose-lose situation. Back out of West Bank/Gaza, lose soverignity over all the land. Reclaim the land, enter a war with every nation that holds a grudge against us. I hate to say it, but once again the Jew is the victim. Time repeats itself.
You just can't give power to people with so many ties to anti-jewish ideologies. It's like america giving Utah to Iraq.
It seems the purpose of the Palestinians (and it's a great shame - they are being used as political pawns by ignorant dictators and arrogant Islamic theologians) is to upset the world. Israel is like a gateway from East to West.
The question now is is the west feeling enough guilt/intelligence to agree with the EXTREMELY simple demand that Israel should belong to Israel? There's no other situation like it on earth and never has been. This is unique. My point is Israel has always belong to the Jews. Other nations allow people of different races to live equally in their country, no matter who they are, but not to own huge chunks of it! Why can't israel be the same? Why? (islam) Practice what you want to practice, preach what you want to preach, but israel is for the jews, always has been and always will be. If you're humble enough to choose to live within Israel, so be it. Just don't go around demanding bits of land cos Islam says you're right (Mohammed wasn't even born til 571AD, a long LONG time after israel was formed). There is no basis for palestinian ownership, no matter how far back in time you go. This is a holy war. Every conflict against the jews was fought in the name of the holy ones. The romans left, the greeks left, everyone left - but Islam is back.
Time has gone on for too long. We as Jews have endured suffering at the hands of this world for long enough. We've always known that harming others is wrong, that pain and suffering are things best not endured. We've taken nothing from anyone, imposed on no-one, and helped everyone. My soul as a Jew feels clean. I've never expected anything, never demanded anything, never chosen to harm anyone. And they hate us for it. They hate that underneath, we're all good people. A lot would disagree - perhaps on an individual level, but as a collective one cannot dispute the fact of the eternal humble jew. This is one emotion that's allowed us to fall at the hands of others for so long. We could say yes to America, yes to Islam, yes to the Palestinians, and allow them - out of DEEP humility - to own a country within ours. But at its fundamental level, we know it's wrong. Israel is not a diaspora country, it is our HOMELAND. We do not have to bow to pressure from anyone. Sure, take the advice of other nations, but they have their own countries and they own their country. The jew will never feel complete without total security for his/her life - something which cannot be obtained with the existance of a minor terrorist state acting on our doorstep. If this doesn't happen now, when will it happen? Are we to choose for ourselves the path of calming worldwide tension at the expense of Israeili soverignity and the return of Israel to the Israelis? Must we forever walk this planet with a semi-complete country, fearing day after day terror knowing that the 1.1billion muslims who are instructed through propaganda to hate us have a clear entry into our horizons? (I'm aware that lots of muslims are not anti-jewish, indeed i have many muslim friends - and one of my closest friends who i've known since school is a devout muslim - but mosques worldwide are preaching anti-jewish sentiments on a weekly basis. These orders are coming direct from the middle east, and they always will with the stranglehold Gaza/WB has in Israel). We gave the world the idea of the 'self' (Freud), we gave the world an understanding of the universe (Einstein), we showed the world how to trade fairly and with respect, and look how they repaid us. We practically created the West as we know it today (think of all the derivations from these things alone - business, marketing, psychology, awareness of consciousness, physics, quantum physics.. they didn't invent it but it took a jew to REALISE it). We even helped the evolution of mathematics (Mandelbrot and his fractals, Cantor and logic), philosophy, politics, and many more in each of their selected fields. Integration never really worked though. The insecurity and fear felt is not based on hypothetical paranoias regarding anti-semitism. Facts, facts, facts. It's no suprise so many jews hate themselves (my mother still contends the idea that she's jewish, a trade off from WW2 methinks). It's about time we stopped feeling sorry for ourselves, stop thinking we owe the world something, and have a country all to ourselves. It's not much to ask for at all, a land 1/10th size of Oregon which was once ours thousands of years ago.
I for one am appalled at how we as a race have been treated. Why must we consider the feelings of other countries and their squabbling? If they have terrorism problems, let them sort it out. Right here right now, Israel's problem is that there's a bunch of fanatics demanding they have their own space just so they can threaten the lives of Aliyah jews. Let the palestinians stay in israel, that's not a problem. There might be some teething problems but it'll all be good. Don't let's fall by the wayside and bow to international pressure by handing over bits of a tiny land to people who don't even belong there. Must the jew be victim once more?
Why must all the world's problems come down to the Jews? It's amazing that after the catastrophic events of 9/11, the fallout inevitable ended up in Israel. Every nation involved, every coalition built, every problem between east and west comes down to this situation. It's been building up to this since the Romanticism (which never happened in the East) and which Jews were very much a part of. East meets west.
I applaud Sharon. No-one wants innocent civilians killed, and that's not his plan. His goal is the reinstatement of Israel as a fully functioning, fully stable, fully complete homeland. After all this time, we deserve it. No-one can take away what is rightfully ours. We all know the truth, we all know what is right, we all know everything, individually and collectively.
Let's all hope for the best
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klc is a gay leftwing secular quantum theorist anglo-jew,
specialising in the science of consciousness and unified quantum relativity
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and no, prejudice in any form is wrong
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