100,000 Palestinians sign new peace plan

IsraelAdvocate · 01-07-2004, 08:51 PM

I never thought I would see such a thing.
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100,000 Palestinians sign new peace plan
By TAMARA COHEN

A Palestinian peace group has collected 100,000 signatures endorsed a plan which would create a democracy in the West Bank and Gaza Strip and form an independent Palestinian state based on 1967 borders.

The People's Campaign for Peace and Democracy (HASHD) "Destination Map" has been signed by 150,000 Israelis. It calls for the evacuation of settlements, and the return of refugees only to the Palestinian state. HASHD was formed in December 2001 and worked with leftist Israeli groups, including Ami Ayalon's People's Voice campaign.

Luke90 · 01-25-2005, 11:30 AM

Seems pretty positive.
Does anyone know anything more about this?

KettleWhistle · 01-25-2005, 01:10 PM

Yes, it is positive, but nothing really new.

minusthejihad · 01-25-2005, 02:27 PM

"100,000 Palestinians sign peace plan, other 4,670,000 sign up their children for martyrdom operations!"

Sumud · 01-25-2005, 06:09 PM

The Ayalon/Nusseibeh initiative has been around for a few years now. I think this is just another attempt to gather more support.

I'm not sure what Israeladvocate is surprised about - it's essentially the same plan the Palestinians thought they were signing up for at Oslo, which had widespread support.

The primary difference is that the Destination Map details the final status situation at the outset, avoiding the problem of both Oslo and the so-called 'Road Map'.

Have a look at it here.

Luke90 · 01-26-2005, 01:56 AM

Have a look at it here.

That link doesn't seem to work.
www.hashd.org didn't work either.
I got an error message about not being able to determine the IP address.

Sumud · 01-26-2005, 04:22 AM

Sorry Luke. I've heard that some poeple have difficulty accessing the site. It seems to be a problem for ISP's outside the US. Don't know why, but some sites are picky about where there are accessed from.

Try a US-based proxy server and see if it works for you.

Luke90 · 01-26-2005, 10:31 AM

Try a US-based proxy server and see if it works for you.

Bingo, cheers.

Jerusalem: Jerusalem will be an open city, the capital of two states. Freedom of religion and full access to holy sites will be guaranteed to all.
a. Arab neighborhoods in Jerusalem will come under Palestinian sovereignty, Jewish neighborhoods under Israeli sovereignty.

This seems a little impractical.
Who will have practical day-to-day control over those neighbourhoods?
Does sovereignty include all the responsibilities* or is it a purely symbolic thing where some other organisation does the decision-making?
*eg. planning, policing, education

Sumud · 01-28-2005, 04:29 AM

It may be quite difficult to implement, I agree. But if there was a desire to do so, it would be possible. The expansion of settlements to the east of Jerusalem poses a serious challange to the plan as it stands.

I don't think the sovreignity aspect is such a problem. Local municipal services might be more tricky.

The other proposal, which is East Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine, seems a neater solution.

**Mediocrates** · 01-28-2005, 04:42 AM

If there were a city populated mostly of Jews in the middle of China the Palestinians would demand that as their capital.

Sumud · 01-28-2005, 05:03 AM

Yeah, it does seem terribly unfair that they might want as much as half of Jerusalem as a capital.

The Israeli offer, none - it's all ours, is the pinnacle of moderation.

Luke90 · 01-28-2005, 05:06 AM

I don't think the sovreignity aspect is such a problem. Local municipal services might be more tricky.

That was the kind of thing I was talking about.
What happens when the Israeli authority decides the road should go one way and the Palestinian authority decides it should go a different way?

Sumud · 01-28-2005, 05:11 AM

Yep, those are exactly the kind of things that can cause real headaches.

But given the type of current headaches that exist, this type might be a joy to have!

Luke90 · 01-28-2005, 05:18 AM

But in what will inevitably be a fragile peace the tiniest things could spark disaster.

**Mediocrates** · 01-28-2005, 05:22 AM

Well if it's some kind of international bright shining city on the hill what's to stop anyone from marching in and declaring it the 17th most holy site in Shinto or the World Greenpeace HQ or the Intergalactic Hamas Capital or The Land of Free Ecstacy or Hezbollah, Inc.?

No one actually care or respects that you think it's 'all yours'. Tell it to the Jordanians, that's all yours too.