My Petition to the White House

[Artotyrite]

This is the text of a petition that I intend to circulate starting Monday, and send to the White House.

"Dear President Bush:

"The undersigned believe that the parties to the Middle-East conflict
are either unable or unwilling to achieve peace by themselves.
"The undersigned believe that peace in the Middle-East is not only
desirable but politically necessary.
"The undersigned therefore request that, with the support of the United Nations,
the United States intervene militarily in the Middle-East and use
whatever means necessary to put an end to the violence now."

I am under no illusions, but the voices of the people who are fed up with this conflict must, and shall, be heard.

We did not act in Rwanda. We acted too late in Bosnoa. It is already to late in the Middle-East. We must act NOW.

Enough is enough.

[mrbaggins]

Anyone with two eyes can see that a standing miltary force, not involved in active supression, as the IDF is here... cannot and will not stop Palestinians suicide/homicide bombings in Israel.

All they can do is stop the IDF from actively surpressing such activity.

If you're suggesting an International force should come in to kill some terrorists (hiding amongst the civilians) then I'd agree with you.

International forces only work in separating large regular (not irregular as in the case of the cowardly Palestinians) forces.

[ibrodsky]

That is why supporters of Palestinian terrorists are so anxious to get an international "peacekeeping" force. They know that Israel will not launch attacks against such a force, and that Palestinian terrorists will have no trouble slipping past them. Heck, a UN force is almost certain to include Arabs who will gladly let the terrorists through.

While there may be a few naive pacificists who support this idea, I think most of those pushing it are just PA terrorist supporters seeking a respectable-looking way of aiding the Arabs in their racist war to annihilate Israel.

Notice that people like Artotyrite don't demand that the Arab world put a halt to terrorism against civilians. Oh no, they want to put a military force between the two peoples precisely because they know that can't stop terror attacks but it can stop retaliation.

[mrbaggins]

absolutely....


Luckily, I can't ever see this happening without both sides agreeing, which Israel never will.

If they ever did, they'd demand it was just US personel, and there'd be trouble the first time there were a few terrorist attacks.

When you see terror attacks first hand... as I have in the UK, and have in New York, you understand.

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Peace at any cost? Its just giving the Arab terrorists in this region another inch... and they want the whole damn place.

[victot]

im not so sure why pro-israel sources are so against the idea of interenational intervention...

let thousands and thousands of members from the international community spend a few weeks in jerusalem...
make them go out and see the town.

at least a few are bound to be killed... maybe it'll get more world opinion on israel's side...
they aren't gonna make israel do nothing for too long, if a wave of bombings hit israel.

i dunno, at least at this point, i don't think that's a bad idea. SOMETHING needs to be done...

[mrbaggins]

Its because the international community, the Arabs in particular are unwilling to see the underdogs as guilty.

They just make excuse after excuse... 'the big bad israelis are persecuting these poor palestinians and make them blow up school kids, its not their fault'

[ibrodsky]

You can expect such a force to mirror the reactions we see in the int'l community. Terrorist attacks are bad, but quickly forgotten. Retaliation -- hunting down and bringing terrorists to justice -- take time and small minds feel that because Israel has tanks and Palestinians just have strap-on-explosives that it's an "unfair fight."

Are you really willing to count on the rest of the world to save the Jews? They will all say how sorry they are after it's too late, just like they did in Europe.

What more proof is needed that militant Islam is out to massacre Jews? If that is clear, what is needed is not a peacekeeping force between the two peoples, but a real police action to hunt down and capture Palestinian terrorists.

[muslim4israel2]

I actually think that the easiet means to a peace would be for the Arab world to declare that Palestine is an established state they all recognise. That would sway ALL Muslim majority nations, so 54, plus those nations close to Muslim states like PRC. I cant see S.Americans complaining, and lots of Europe is calling for that too-so the UN would have to pass it.

Thus every Israeli incursion would be a act of war against a soverign state, and dialog would get its justifiable place.

[mrbaggins]

You really have become divorced from reality.

The Arabs would have to recognize Israel as a state.

The Palestinians would have to revoke their article desirous of the destruction of Israel.


What you are confused about is that Arabs actually want Israel to continue to exist in any form. They don't.

Only 50 years ago, Arab states acted in unison in an attempt to destroy Israel, just as it was formed.

The ONLY reason why Arabs haven't conquered Israel, is because their armies are incapable.

The Palestinians have resorted to terrorist attacks, and the only way they'll stop is if they are forced into it physically.

[muslim4israel2]

I FULLY SUPPORT the recognition of Israel. Pakistan is on the verge of it, and well I dont see why any nation should deny that reality.

[victot]

well, i think israel should take a chance with having an international community there...
establish a few ground rules with them, but i think they should be there.
let the us play the biggest role as the peacekeepers...
i don't think they'll be too unreasonable. if they see what's going on, how israelis can't go too many places in fear of being killed...

they're not gonna allow suicide bomber after suicide bomber after suicide bomber kill person after person after person...

they'll let israel do as they will, and it might give israel better world opinion.

[mrbaggins]

Just because you don't see any reason to not, doesn't stop the PA supporting Israels destruction and Lebannons and Syrias active complicitness in direct action against Israel. (giving just two examples)

Hisbollah were shelling Israel, just when the suicide bomb was going off. Sec. Powell was on route to see the situation at the time.

Pakistan is only taking this step because they (primarily Gen. Musharaf) want to get back into the favor of the Intl. Community, particularly the US. They want US aid, and legitimacy.

[Barkokhba]

Originally posted by Artotyrite
This is the text of a petition that I intend to circulate starting Monday, and send to the White House.

"Dear President Bush:

"The undersigned believe that the parties to the Middle-East conflict
are either unable or unwilling to achieve peace by themselves.
"The undersigned believe that peace in the Middle-East is not only
desirable but politically necessary.
"The undersigned therefore request that, with the support of the United Nations,
the United States intervene militarily in the Middle-East and use
whatever means necessary to put an end to the violence now."

I am under no illusions, but the voices of the people who are fed up with this conflict must, and shall, be heard.

We did not act in Rwanda. We acted too late in Bosnoa. It is already to late in the Middle-East. We must act NOW.

Enough is enough.

The US is not the world's policeman. It is this self-righteous nonsense that is spewed around the world that makes people hate the US. Get over yourself. You apparently do not understand anything about the situation and are doing nothing to help, other than to try and use force to accomplish what will never happen through force, peace.

Good job Gandhi.

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by Artotyrite
This is the text of a petition that I intend to circulate starting Monday, and send to the White House.

"Dear President Bush:

"The undersigned believe that the parties to the Middle-East conflict
are either unable or unwilling to achieve peace by themselves.
"The undersigned believe that peace in the Middle-East is not only
desirable but politically necessary.
"The undersigned therefore request that, with the support of the United Nations,
the United States intervene militarily in the Middle-East and use
whatever means necessary to put an end to the violence now."

I am under no illusions, but the voices of the people who are fed up with this conflict must, and shall, be heard.

We did not act in Rwanda. We acted too late in Bosnoa. It is already to late in the Middle-East. We must act NOW.

Enough is enough.

You seem to be of the opinion that it takes two to tango.

Why is it desirable and politically necessary to have peace in the Middle-east?

What do you want the US to do ask the Israelis to withdraw and then cluster bomb the Palestinians? I don?t think that the US would be too popular in the world community if it did that.

I want the conflict to end but killing a couple of million Muslims wouldn?t bode well in the world community.

If it's to late in the Middle-east why bother?

[muslim4israel2]

How about a "free for all" in the ME-winning nation takes all?