Shhhhh turn the washing machine on, they are listening!Originally posted by Mediocrates
Yeah I never heard of a political AG in your country.
Home | Shhhhh turn the washing machine on, they are listening!Originally posted by Mediocrates
Yeah I never heard of a political AG in your country.
Smoked salmon? Excellent, simply one of the best! Palamida is totally unknown to me and cod is an "everyday" fish in this part of the world. In other words, it is eatable, for instance I eat cod quite a lot, but it certainly is nothing compared with salmon, perch, rainbow trout, vendace or whitefish. Here's a recipe where you can use just about any fish, if you consider pike-perch too difficult to find in your area:Originally posted by Gilgamesh
I prefer my herring in vinegar and little mayonnaise, in accordance to my late grandmother recipe. What is your attitude toward smoked Salomon? (with cream chease), and Plamida? What's your favorit recipe for cod fish? (aka Bakala).
Finaly I can comunicate with with a Nord. I like that! Keep it that way, Justcurious, and never change this topic, PLEASE!!!
PIKE-PERCH WITH WHITECURRANT SAUCE
Serves 4
FISH
600 g pike-perch fillets
1 l fish stock (made from bones)
salt, white pepper
Heat the fish stock. Season and fold the fillets in a casserole and pour the stock over them. Steam for 10-13 minutes. Remove and drain the fillets, place on plates and serve the accompaniments.
SAUCE
50 g onions
3 dl fish stock
2 dl whitecurrant wine
2 dl whipped cream
50 g butter
salt, white pepper
Heat up a casserole and add a knob of butter. Fry the chopped onion lightly, add the fish stock and whitecurrant wine. Reduce to approximately half the original quantity. Add the cream and continue to simmer at a low temperature for about 10 minutes. Whip in the rest of the butter and the seasoning.
TO ACCOMPANY
100 g carrots
80 g parsnip
80 g leek
80 g onions, basil, thyme
400 g freshly boiled potatoes
Cut the root vegetables and onions into strips the size of a match. Heat up a casserole, add the butter and fry the vegetables quickly until they are done but still firm. Season with salt, white pepper and plenty of fresh herbs.
First arrange the sauce on the plates and then the vegetable strips. Drain the cooked pike-perch fillets and then place them on the plates together with the boiled potatoes. Decorate with the fresh herbs.
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Thank you for the recipe!
Although I am not sure I am familiar with the fish you mentioned, at least in it's english name. I'll have to look it up. Is it a Kosher fish? (Does the fish has scales?)
Either way, I am quite sure I can make use of the sauce. Thanks again!
As for traut, I am not sure I ever eat one. I don't think it is Kosher. The only traut I know, is Shuman's.
In this case, according to your description, you are full Israeli. Welcome aboard this forum.Originally posted by KSO
I live in russia temporarily in couple of months I will be back in Israel, I am not a citizen of Russia only of Israel, And I completely see myself as an Israeli hebrew is my native tongue and I am much more familiar with jewish traditions than any other traditions, therefore I celebrate most Jewish holyday's (I even feast in Yom Kippur)
I hope we'll be able to relive your political confusion.
Hag Same'ah!!!
You cannot seperate Zionism and Jewish religion or Jewish culture. They are one and the same. Israel, being a Jewish nation state, integrate all those togather.Originally posted by KSO
Wish we had more Israeli holydays maybe we could enroot a society that is build around a country not religion, but when I read some of the holydays Knesset members suggested (Day of memory for victims of road accidents, day of memory for the children who died on their way to Israel and so on) Maybe well stick with the existing ones.
Pay attention to the fact, that other then the Yom Kippur and Shavu'ot, we don't have strict clear cut religious hollydays. Pass over (Pessa'h) Hanukka, Sukot, Purim, Tish'a be'av are all national holydays. Some mentioned in the Torah and some commanded in later years by our sages.
Hanukka and Purim, are classic national holidays.
That new to me! Never thought a russion needs a good reason to raise a toast!!Russia is a great example people are on holyday half of the time they will celebrate everything in order to avoid work, christian holydays, former communist holidays, new russian holydays, and theyre brilliant lawmakers keep thinking abot new ones.
Well You can seperate Zionism and Judaism, Zionism untill recent years was a secular movement, and the early zionists from Herzl to MAPAY wanted a secular or an atheist state with jewish traditions, also many orthodox jews are not Zionist and they see the state of Israel as a sin, They don't recocnise it, and Netorey Karta mark the Nakba at Indie-day, like in the past they claim that a jewish state should be created onlyt with the arrival of the massyah, in the recent years the many religious people accepted zionism but still the most conservative orthodox jews are not zionists.Originally posted by Gilgamesh
You cannot seperate Zionism and Jewish religion or Jewish culture. They are one and the same. Israel, being a Jewish nation state, integrate all those togather.
Pay attention to the fact, that other then the Yom Kippur and Shavu'ot, we don't have strict clear cut religious hollydays. Pass over (Pessa'h) Hanukka, Sukot, Purim, Tish'a be'av are all national holydays. Some mentioned in the Torah and some commanded in later years by our sages.
Hanukka and Purim, are classic national holidays.
That new to me! Never thought a russion needs a good reason to raise a toast!! [/B]
I've never even thought of the pike-perch being Kosher or not, at least both the pike and the perch have scales. And you don't eat the scales anywayOriginally posted by Gilgamesh
Thank you for the recipe!
Although I am not sure I am familiar with the fish you mentioned, at least in it's english name. I'll have to look it up. Is it a Kosher fish? (Does the fish has scales?)
Either way, I am quite sure I can make use of the sauce. Thanks again!
As for traut, I am not sure I ever eat one. I don't think it is Kosher. The only traut I know, is Shuman's.. For more information on this fairly rare type of fish, look here: http://22.1911encyclopedia.org/P/PI/PIKE_PERCH.htm
As I said, you can use non-scale fish as well.
Seder Pessah is over... I can type a little before I retire.... big breakfest tomorrow.Originally posted by KSO
Well You can seperate Zionism and Judaism, Zionism untill recent years was a secular movement, and the early zionists from Herzl to MAPAY wanted a secular or an atheist state with jewish traditions, also many orthodox jews are not Zionist and they see the state of Israel as a sin, They don't recocnise it, and Netorey Karta mark the Nakba at Indie-day, like in the past they claim that a jewish state should be created onlyt with the arrival of the massyah, in the recent years the many religious people accepted zionism but still the most conservative orthodox jews are not zionists.
Now, you're a bit confused, yet again.
Zionism originates from cultural, historical and most of all, religious ideas about the uniqueness of the Jewish people, Jewish self determination is partly based on religion ect...
Modern Zionism is nothing but a new terminology for anciant ideas of ending the term of exile. Former attempts failed, the Zionist revolution successeded where others failed.
Now, it is true the the first Zionists, from Hertzel to Ben Gurion, Zabotinsky and Wiesman and Nordaw, were all secular, and some even atheist. They did, however, held greatly Jewish culture and traditions which Zionism itself is based on.
As for Neturi Karta. It is abit confusing, I admit, but Neturi Karta are not a main stream in Judaims. They are not against Jews right for self determination or Jew's right for land of Israel. Two of the fundemetals of Zionism. As you said, the only thing, which they hold crusal, is the date. They believe that the punishment for zealotry, the exile, is not over, and only the Messiah in the end of days is allowed to restore Jewish soverienity for the land of Israel. That way Neturei Karta are non Zionist which is much different from anti Zionits who are anti semites.
As you said, Most orthodox streams are Zionist. Like, Habad, Braslaw, Gush Emunim, and many others are as Zionist as they are religious and orthdox. Zaka, BTW, is an organization that was founded by Neturei Karta... So even these guys begin to deforst and gradualy and slowly adjust of modern Zionist ideas. One of the soultion, they see, is to consider Israel as one large Jewish community in diaspora with extra autonomy... fine with me for what I care!
So, Zaka was founded by Neturei Karta, They are not a majore stream within Orthodox Judaism, and they become less non-Zionist then before.
Allway bare in mind, that the media has an intrest in picking and reporting about the wierdest and most extremists and blow the issue way out of proportion. Be smart to retain the right proportion to every story.
They are some problems with the connection:Originally posted by Gilgamesh
Seder Pessah is over... I can type a little before I retire.... big breakfest tomorrow.
Now, you're a bit confused, yet again.
Zionism originates from cultural, historical and most of all, religious ideas about the uniqueness of the Jewish people, Jewish self determination is partly based on religion ect...
Modern Zionism is nothing but a new terminology for anciant ideas of ending the term of exile. Former attempts failed, the Zionist revolution successeded where others failed.
Now, it is true the the first Zionists, from Hertzel to Ben Gurion, Zabotinsky and Wiesman and Nordaw, were all secular, and some even atheist. They did, however, held greatly Jewish culture and traditions which Zionism itself is based on.
As for Neturi Karta. It is abit confusing, I admit, but Neturi Karta are not a main stream in Judaims. They are not against Jews right for self determination or Jew's right for land of Israel. Two of the fundemetals of Zionism. As you said, the only thing, which they hold crusal, is the date. They believe that the punishment for zealotry, the exile, is not over, and only the Messiah in the end of days is allowed to restore Jewish soverienity for the land of Israel. That way Neturei Karta are non Zionist which is much different from anti Zionits who are anti semites.
As you said, Most orthodox streams are Zionist. Like, Habad, Braslaw, Gush Emunim, and many others are as Zionist as they are religious and orthdox. Zaka, BTW, is an organization that was founded by Neturei Karta... So even these guys begin to deforst and gradualy and slowly adjust of modern Zionist ideas. One of the soultion, they see, is to consider Israel as one large Jewish community in diaspora with extra autonomy... fine with me for what I care!
So, Zaka was founded by Neturei Karta, They are not a majore stream within Orthodox Judaism, and they become less non-Zionist then before.
Allway bare in mind, that the media has an intrest in picking and reporting about the wierdest and most extremists and blow the issue way out of proportion. Be smart to retain the right proportion to every story.
1.When the Zionist movement was founded they're goal was to solve the problem of european jews, Most of the members of the early zionists didn't insisted on palestine as the home of the jewish people (The Uganda resolution was passed in the zionist congress, but Herzls death and other problems burried it, The Palestine-Centrists took over the movement after Herzls death and they made the zionist movement more enrooted in jewish religion and tradition.
2.The Zionist movement took the represantation of the world Jews, without realy asking them... In the 1920s-1930s the Zionist party began reffaring itself as the representation of every jew in the world (back then most jews probably werent even familiar with the movement) because there was no other jewish organization to claim the right the zionist were accepted by world leaders as the advocates for the jewish cause.
3.From what I understood Most Haredim in Israel and worldwide are not Zionists, they don't accept the fact that Israel is a secular country, some Rabbies support draft dodging of Yeshiva students, because they say it's no use fighting for a fake jewish country (The real one will come with the arrival of the Mashiah)
Bad Comparison.Originally posted by KSO
Well if you'll see most arabic historic places you'r find them in quite a bad shape. Every time I visit the armenian graveyard in Haifa where some of my family members are burried I see the Muslim cemetary nearby and it's much dirtier and badly treated, from what i unterstood from various sources in the Islamic culture personal hygene takes a very important place, the invoirment is treated with less care, that's maybe the reason that's most historic sites in muslim countries are in much worse shape than in europe or the US.
The fact Jerusalem never became Jordans capital doesnt mean it held no importance for them, Mecca is not the capitol of Saudi Arabia and neither is Almedina and still those sites are holy for every muslim in the world.
Cemetaries are not the center of Daily Worship and when immediate ancestors pass.. they All tend to go in disrepair.
The First two "Holiest Sites" in Islam certainly didn't look like the Third in the late 19th Century when the Jews started coming, and Jews were indeed the largest Component of the Population in Jerusalem since the 1830's. (another point)
Palestine was, and remained a Backwater.. until the Jews arrived mostly in late 19th C, and then Arab jealously kicked in.
(the Pipes article I posted early in the string shows the 'night journey' was an utter fraud and ex-post-facto history). A tradition that is a Myth should be Debunked.. not promoted.
Anyway.. here's Al-Aqsa in the late 19th Century..probably c 1880-1890 or so from the Bonfils/al-Mashriq archive.
http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Clearly this place was not even in use. ..
Clearly Islam's Third Holiest place wasn't so Holy if Palestine/Jerusalem had any Arabs at all.
There wasn't even a Concept of 'Palestinians' (unless you were talking about 'Jews') before the 1960s.
So let's not talk here about 'latecomer 'Zionism'.
Last edited by abu afak; 04-05-2004 at 07:22 PM.
So the muslims should contact Islamic charities to support those cemetaries just like everywhere else on earth. What's the mystery?
Fact is al Aqsa has been under continuous Islamic control for over a thousand years. If it falls down because of poor maintenance its their problem.
And the gold dome is a recent invention, a little more than a hundred years old when it was guilded by foreign benefactors.
Thanks for the link, yet, without the picutre I cann't tell.Originally posted by Justcurious
I've never even thought of the pike-perch being Kosher or not, at least both the pike and the perch have scales. And you don't eat the scales anyway
As I said, you can use non-scale fish as well.
Everything in a jew life holds significanse. From clothings to food of any kind, all must be Kosher, in order to achive morall and harmonious life.
Any fish with scales is Kosher fish, a Jew may eat.
Yes you can. Some fish have scales at one point in their life cycle but not in others. They are, generally speaking, permissible.
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