September 11 is God's work: Mufti

[L@mplighterM]

September 11 is God's work: Mufti
By Kerry-Anne Walsh, Political Correspondent
February 29, 2004

The powerful leader of Australia's 300,000 Muslims, Sheik Taj el-Din Al Hilaly, has praised the September 11 terrorist attacks as "God's work".

The controversial Mufti also appears to have lent support to Arab suicide bombers in an inflammatory sermon during a Middle East lecture tour.

Sheik Al Hilaly, who is based at the Lakemba mosque, last week vehemently denied that he called for a jihad against Israel in one of his sermons. But a translation of a sermon, delivered at the Sidon mosque in Lebanon and obtained by The Sun-Herald, is littered with references to Arab martyrs and Americans being punished by God.

Sheik Al Hilaly spoke of an "Islamic revolution", and told his audience not to be surprised if one day a muezzin called out "Allah is Great!" from the "top of the White House".

"September 11 is God's work against oppressors," he said. "Some of the things that happen in the world cannot be explained; a civilian airplane whose secrets cannot be explained, if we ask its pilot who reached his objective without error: 'Who led your steps?'

"Or if we ask the giant that fell: 'Who humiliated you?' Or if we ask the president: 'Who made you cry?' God is the answer."


Declaring there was a "war on infidels" around the world, the Mufti praised the boy who, "despite his mother's objections", went to war to become a martyr.

Bemoaning the lack of "real men" in the Arab world, he said the "true boy" was one who told his mother not to cry for him if he died. The boy who cried: "Oh mother, jihad has been imposed on me and I want to become a martyr [was a son of Islam]." The boy would cry to his mother: "Oh mother, I'm going with a stone in my hand to become a martyr."

After seeking clarification from Sheik Al Hilaly in Egypt, his spokesman, Keysar Trad, said the Mufti had taken bits from poems, which he often incorporated into his sermons.

The September 11 reference meant that "evil can reach everywhere and everything", and the power of terrorism should not be belittled. Stating that September 11 was God's work against oppressors meant "people only do these things when they feel oppressed".

He denied the Mufti had supported suicide bombers, saying the "boy with a stone" could not possibly mean that.

A week ago, the Australian Federal Police decided against investigating the Mufti's overseas activities.

http://smh.com.au/articles/2004/02/2...677014393.html

[RichardP]

Originally posted by L@mplighterM
September 11 is God's work: Mufti
By Kerry-Anne Walsh, Political Correspondent
February 29, 2004

The powerful leader of Australia's 300,000 Muslims, Sheik Taj el-Din Al Hilaly, has praised the September 11 terrorist attacks as "God's work".

The controversial Mufti also appears to have lent support to Arab suicide bombers in an inflammatory sermon during a Middle East lecture tour.

Sheik Al Hilaly, who is based at the Lakemba mosque, last week vehemently denied that he called for a jihad against Israel in one of his sermons. But a translation of a sermon, delivered at the Sidon mosque in Lebanon and obtained by The Sun-Herald, is littered with references to Arab martyrs and Americans being punished by God.

Sheik Al Hilaly spoke of an "Islamic revolution", and told his audience not to be surprised if one day a muezzin called out "Allah is Great!" from the "top of the White House".

"September 11 is God's work against oppressors," he said. "Some of the things that happen in the world cannot be explained; a civilian airplane whose secrets cannot be explained, if we ask its pilot who reached his objective without error: 'Who led your steps?'

"Or if we ask the giant that fell: 'Who humiliated you?' Or if we ask the president: 'Who made you cry?' God is the answer."


Declaring there was a "war on infidels" around the world, the Mufti praised the boy who, "despite his mother's objections", went to war to become a martyr.

Bemoaning the lack of "real men" in the Arab world, he said the "true boy" was one who told his mother not to cry for him if he died. The boy who cried: "Oh mother, jihad has been imposed on me and I want to become a martyr [was a son of Islam]." The boy would cry to his mother: "Oh mother, I'm going with a stone in my hand to become a martyr."

After seeking clarification from Sheik Al Hilaly in Egypt, his spokesman, Keysar Trad, said the Mufti had taken bits from poems, which he often incorporated into his sermons.

The September 11 reference meant that "evil can reach everywhere and everything", and the power of terrorism should not be belittled. Stating that September 11 was God's work against oppressors meant "people only do these things when they feel oppressed".

He denied the Mufti had supported suicide bombers, saying the "boy with a stone" could not possibly mean that.

A week ago, the Australian Federal Police decided against investigating the Mufti's overseas activities.

http://smh.com.au/articles/2004/02/2...677014393.html

With venemous reptiles, spiders and the Cane Toad plague; the Aussies have another venomous 'species' with which to contend.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by RichardP
With venemous reptiles, spiders and the Cane Toad plague; the Aussies have another venomous 'species' with which to contend.

Don't forget Boxer Jellyfish.

[Ahava]

"September 11 is G-d's work", it could've been said by Oh Jerusalem, too.

[Mediocrates]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
Don't forget Boxer Jellyfish.

Dingoes Ate My Muftiiiiiiiiiiii !!!!!!!!!!

[RichardP]

Originally posted by Mediocrates
Dingoes Ate My Muftiiiiiiiiiiii !!!!!!!!!!

It would make a great movie, Mediocrates! Perhaps, Mel would be interested!

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by Ahava
"September 11 is G-d's work", it could've been said by Oh Jerusalem, too.

It was, partially.

[RichardP]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
It was, partially.

I, too, am in agreement with Oh Jerusalem… some may snicker, but they are entitled to do so, as we are entitled the same.

[L@mplighterM]

The devil made them do it!

[Bedir_Turhan]

God just watched this despicable act done by terrorists, these people were not muslims, they can not take the word Islam in their mouths, but only in vain.

Why do you have to mix God with this appalling act of terrorism?

And it seems that such issues quenches your anger and hatred towards muslim people doesn't it?

Well, sorry to break this fantasy up guys, but non of these bombers, or killers of innocent people, can be muslims. They are sinners, just like in anyother religion. Driven by people who call themselves "Muftis".

At the end of the day, beyond the dead and the innocent, it is just another ugly "black" propaganda of Islam.

Sad but true...

I could guess you people would have wanted all the Islamic people to be terrorists, so you could hate them easily.

If Mel's movie hurts and bothers Jewish people, then, these false justifications that portray Islam as a terrorist belief also disturbs us.

When you try to accuse certain type of people BE accurate, don't put all muslims in the same bag.

May GOD bless us all with eternal Grace...

[Ahava]

Originally posted by Bedir_Turhan
Why do you have to mix God with this appalling act of terrorism?

Not just with terrorism. Don't take it personally.

Originally posted by Bedir_Turhan
And it seems that such issues quenches your anger and hatred towards muslim people doesn't it?

I do think that here you're reversing things. Why would there be a quench for hating them in the first place when lots of them have not done terrible things?

Originally posted by Bedir_Turhan

At the end of the day, beyond the dead and the innocent, it is just another ugly "black" propaganda of Islam.

The terrorists are solely to blaim for this.

Originally posted by Bedir_Turhan

When you try to accuse certain type of people BE accurate, don't put all muslims in the same bag.

I agree on this! It's what I tell people all the time. Yet, it's hard for me, too. It's just hard, when you see 'people' like that kill your own people over and over again, see the madness on large scale in that world...and yet, and yet, we should not hold every muslim accountable for that.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by Bedir_Turhan
God just watched this despicable act done by terrorists, these people were not muslims, they can not take the word Islam in their mouths, but only in vain.

Why do you have to mix God with this appalling act of terrorism?

And it seems that such issues quenches your anger and hatred towards muslim people doesn't it?

Well, sorry to break this fantasy up guys, but non of these bombers, or killers of innocent people, can be muslims. They are sinners, just like in anyother religion. Driven by people who call themselves "Muftis".

At the end of the day, beyond the dead and the innocent, it is just another ugly "black" propaganda of Islam.

Sad but true...

I could guess you people would have wanted all the Islamic people to be terrorists, so you could hate them easily.

If Mel's movie hurts and bothers Jewish people, then, these false justifications that portray Islam as a terrorist belief also disturbs us.

When you try to accuse certain type of people BE accurate, don't put all muslims in the same bag.

May GOD bless us all with eternal Grace...

You are right!
Bring back fond memories from the Othoman empire. It was a mistake to bring it down... The Turks understand Arabs, what we only now lerning to do. The Othomans had no Arab terrorism problem... and the Arabs were kept low and obediant. Maybe it high time for another round of the history wheel?

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by Gilgamesh
You are right!
Bring back fond memories from the Othoman empire.

May I remind you where you and I are on the map?

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
May I remind you where you and I are on the map?

I ask you to read again "Medinat ha'yehudim". The majore breakthroughes of the pragmatic Zionism (ha'tzio'nut ha'ma'a'sit) were done during the Othoman rule. Before WWI, the Turkish rule was far nicer the then British occupayers. Petah Tikva, Rishon le'TZion, Tel Aviv (Ahuzat Bait), Gadera, Kafar Giladi, Nahalat Binyamin and the other new Jewish neighborhoods out side the walls, all established during the Othoman rule, before WWI .

The biggest point: The Turks kapt the Arabs in line!!! While the Brits co-coperated with them against us Jews.

But then again. It is futail argument. There is no "what ifs" in history. And I was only relatively speaking, that the turks were better then the brits... There is not saubstitute for Jewish self governance, but, and this is the point I'm making: I much rather see the Turks brodering us in the north then the Syrians or the Lebanonian Arabs.

[Bedir_Turhan]

Maybe you're right, Gilgamesh.

It would've been nice if we've bordered eachother, but one must look at the reality, and must make his/her reality habitable.

This is your situation, you are bordering Syria and Leabanon. You can not change this.

The thing you must do is to play the game. And in this game you're long term aim, from my point of view, should consider GOOD relations with them.

Of course maybe everybody is saying this and it might seem impossible, but no one is saying that it will happen just like that. It will take effort from both sides.

No body from this Earth is from Mars. We all have, this way or that, some common ways and similarities. The aim should be to find these common similarities and base a relation on top of them.

Hatred, which have existed for centuries, won't dissapear, but will require restraint. It is upto you people to decide. It is upto you to listen to this friendly Turk (that would be me), but then again you don't have to.

Believe me, I have, along with my people, been torn apart in our souls by anger and hatred, for long time. There isn't any reason not to make peace. But this will definately require PIONEERS from all sides.

At the end of the day, this might seem as an "UTOPIC" idea, but I feel that this is the only way to get out, because trouble is like "mud" and its everywhere, if you don't step into it, then it will splash on you.

The only way to stay away from it, is to "clean" it.

Maybe its the way I feel today that I am writing very understanding, and an optimistic way, but everytime look at the news and hear about bombings, and attacks by Jets, this bloody quarrell seems that its not going to stop. I am along with alot of NON-Arabs oand NON-Jews are really disturbed by it. Because in the end it is lives that are being wasted. And WE don't want this.

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