And it's the first thing I think of when it's in Spain. What's the last big thing the ETA did? Don't they tend to warn in advance?Originally posted by Raidri
i´m not quite shure, but i think it must have been Oh Jerusalem...
Home | And it's the first thing I think of when it's in Spain. What's the last big thing the ETA did? Don't they tend to warn in advance?Originally posted by Raidri
i´m not quite shure, but i think it must have been Oh Jerusalem...
Their claim about spain is far far stronger then their claime against Israel.
Perhaps, someone wiser than I can explain to me why SPAIN has not yet fallen to Islamic terrorism?
If todays attack is still ETA?
I found the above quote to be accurate and I, admittedly have been waiting for something of a massive scale to take place there for some time.
I still consider 13 explosions with only 180 killed rather small considering that Al Queda usually kills far more people with just one explosion or two.
Sorry Gig... I didnt see your post before I posted but just read this ....
Notice only that. It took monthes, before El-Quida took official responsability, and either way, they refer the attack success as "act of G-d". A proof that G-d is on the Islamist side, and you all need to convert to Islam or die
That I wasnt aware of!
Hmm......I was still hoping it wasnt an Islamic group.
Perhaps you are right after all.
I hope we find out soon.
Going to a go away dinner tonight for her flight back so no doubt her elderly parents will be anxious, etc so I am hoping we have more news before this dinner.
You are right, Kev.Originally posted by Kev
Perhaps, someone wiser than I can explain to me why SPAIN has not yet fallen to Islamic terrorism?
If todays attack is still ETA?
I found the above quote to be accurate and I, admittedly have been waiting for something of a massive scale to take place there for some time.
I still consider 13 explosions with only 180 killed rather small considering that Al Queda usually kills far more people with just one explosion or two.
I believe the Arabs believe Israel to be a push over, unlike the Europeans. The Americans are the main goal. Europe they can win in other ways, like immigration.
Besides, the Europeans supplay the Arab terrorists with money shalter and peace and quite from police investigation. Germany harboured the 9-11 terrorists. France harbored Ayattula Humainy till 1979, the same goes to many other terrorist organizations. They feel it is wrong to cut the branch they are sitting on, it is unwise to poison they host, in this initial stage, anyway.
Maybe, once it will be proved that Arabs are behined the attack, it will prove that the Arabs have moved into a new phase, of taking over Europe in couple of decades.
Who knows... can't think who else it would have been, but officially is still unclear i thinkOriginally posted by Raidri
is it clear now that the ETA is responsible for that? turned off the TV the last 30 minutes,...
So Gil you freely admit you have 'not very much' sympathy for the victims of this bomb?Originally posted by Gilgamesh
Actually, I express similar sympathy for dead Euros as they sympethies with our victims of Arab terror actions. In other words: Not very much. At least, I'm not a hypocrate.
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Can't think, It is not new for you, so let me think for you: What the name "Osama Bin Laden" remindes you?Originally posted by peacelover
Who knows... can't think who else it would have been, but officially is still unclear i think
a) freedom fighter
b) misunderstood middle easteren genious
c) Innoccent Arab, persecuted for no reason by Christians and Jews, yet a hero of the Islamist world for doing the actions he is innoccent of committing.
d) Mass murderer in three (now four) continants.
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I admit of having similar sympathy for Euros as they have for us Jews. You tell me how much is it, won't you [deleted] ?Originally posted by peacelover
So Gil you freely admit you have 'not very much' sympathy for the victims of this bomb?
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I believe the Arabs believe Israel to be a push over, unlike the Europeans. The Americans are the main goal. Europe they can win in other ways, like immigration.
Maybe, once it will be proved that Arabs are behined the attack, it will prove that the Arabs have moved into a new phase, of taking over Europe in couple of decades.
Interesting.............thanks.
By that logic, one could assume that the first European country aside from Spain to be attacked next could be Britain, no?
I understand that there were recent intelligence reports that showed Heathrow airoport to be a target, which led to many of the recent plane cancellations between England and the US.
And, Britain is of course an ally of the US, unlike France, or Germany as of late?
It will be horrible to think that this could be yet another Islamic terrorist group but looking at the positives, <if there are any>, at least if it is, its one more reason for the world to wake up, starting with the terrorism in Israel.
I believe that the Spanish government has now come out with as close to an admission as possible and claimed it to be the work of the ETA.
However, I wouldnt necessarily trust they would want to bring any attention if it were an Islamic group for with ETA it is expected, and the world does not get into an uproar, nor would it demand more of a fight from Spain with ETA.
Has anyone heard which Islamic group is actually taking responsibility for this?
About the ETA :
Euskadi ta Askatasuna (ETA) is fighting for an independent Basque state in northern Spain and southwestern France.
The group has killed nearly 850 people since 1968, typically using car bombs or shootings. The number of ETA killings had been falling, from 23 in 2000 to three in 2003.
Spain, the United States and the European Union have listed ETA as a terrorist organization. Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar, who survived an ETA attack while he was opposition leader in 1995, made eliminating the group a top priority.
In 2002 the Spanish government banned the Basque political party Batasuna, which it described as ETA’s political wing. The party denied the charge. Batasuna won 10 percent of the vote in Basque parliamentary elections in May 2001.
ETA has been under pressure in recent years with 179 suspected members detained during 2003 and a total of 650 suspects arrested since 2000, mostly in Spain and France.
I express sympathy for dead Euros as well as for dead Israelis (what a disrespectful way of talking about the victims, btw, "dead Euros"), THAT'S what non-hypocritical is. It's hypocritical to mourn the death of innocent Jews and not of innocent Euros. How about innocent dead Euro Jews?Originally posted by Gilgamesh
Actually, [name deleted], I express similar sympathy for dead Euros as they sympethies with our victims of Arab terror actions. In other words: Not very much. At least, I'm not a hypocrate.
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ETA: Feared separatist group
Admittedly, the ETA is one group I havent paid much attention to, possibly because we are so far away and just dont hear the news media here focus on it quite as much.
Even today on CNN there isnt that much and one had to turn to BBC to get more in depth reporting.
But I did love this line on the above page and wonder why I am NOT suprised!
For many years France provided a safe haven for ETA members
ETA seems most probable. I don't understand what drives them. I don't understand what they're killing for.Originally posted by Kev
I believe that the Spanish government has now come out with as close to an admission as possible and claimed it to be the work of the ETA.
Originally posted by Gilgamesh
I admit of having similar sympathy for Euros as they have for us Jews. You tell me how much is it, won't you [deleted]?
Not that you've got my name right, but what's the big deal keeping on saying it? Does it help your argument? In the slightest? Are you trying to freak me out? Not working! You're just being immature.
Actually, there is plenty of sympathy for dead Israelis here in Europe. [deleted] I'm glad you have this amount of sympathy for European victims of terror.
Incidentally, what about the Jewish victims of this blast? Where do they fit in?
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I'm inclined to accept that some Israelis have enough on their plate to be concerned with, than having to also be concerned with the deaths of many from country's that haven't taken the problem in Israel seriously.
Especially when Israel warned the world as far back as 40 years ago that if they didn't take the situation seriously in Israel, one day it would spread...............and it has.
I don't believe any of us that live outside of Israel have the right to condemn anyone inside of it, with all they must put up with.
I don't understand what they're killing for.
Nor I to be honest with you!
However, I am still inclined to believe this may be ETA but if it turns out to be ETA with the help of some Islamic terrorist group, I wouldnt be suprised either........nor would I be suprised if so, if the Spanish governement would want to keep that as close to their chest as possible.
Islamic terrorism in Spain brings a whole new set of problems and no doubt not one they are hoping for.
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