Spanish protests

[tandem]

is anyone watching cnn right now? take a look at what's happening outside the headquarters of the popular party in madrid. massive protests, politically-motivated hogwash, of spain's policy on siding with the US on iraq. apparently there are incredibly stupid spaniards who believe that's why they were attacked by what's turning out to be islamic terror groups.

ironically the protests are organized by opposition parties who are hoping to score votes tomorrow when national elections are held (i thought the elections were postponed??). it's just deplorable to see the way radical-left, pro-arab political groups (and yes, there were a few in the crowds who were wearing their "solidarity" kafiahs) are using thursday's tragedy for political gain.

[Kev]

as I just posted in another thread from 2 Spanish Bloggers:

http://timblair.spleenville.com/archives/006177.php

However, with a general election on Sunday, the political crossfire has already started. Only a day after the attacks. Too many in the anti-war crowd (and that’s a damn big crowd here) are openly wishing that this has been done by Al Qaeda because in their sick minds that would allow them to blame PM Aznar as ultimately responsible of the attacks after aligning Spain with the U.S. in the war against terrorism, against their wishes.

Some top officials in the Socialist Party, currently in the opposition and who hope to win in next Sunday’s elections, are on record saying the government is hiding information about the terrorist acts and even that “the Partido Popular government is under suspicion”. This is really sickening. And it’s even more sickening to think that it may not cause a backlash, as would normally happen in a healthy society.

[tandem]

erm actually transfer this to the "breaking news" thread... sorry

[NewsGuy]

I noticed something similar among the Leftist pro-Arab camp in the US, that after 9/11 wanted to blame everyone but the terrorists themselves.

[David_in_NYC]

Originally posted by NewsGuy
I noticed something similar among the Leftist pro-Arab camp in the US, that after 9/11 wanted to blame everyone but the terrorists themselves.

I don't suppose anyone on the Left is going to notice that they are cynically exploiting an act of war for political gain?

[peacelover]

Any person who votes in the manner intended by the terrorists because of the attack is just going to make this horrible murder a success in the eyes of the perpetrators.

DON'T DO IT!!!

[Ahava]

Originally posted by tandem
it's just deplorable to see the way radical-left, pro-arab political groups
are using thursday's tragedy for political gain.

The right also uses this tragedy for political gain: Aznar is witholding information and insisting that ETA did this because he'll win votes for that and lose when it turns out it was Al Qaida.

[Kev]

Ahava:

I don't suppose anyone on the Left is going to notice that they are cynically exploiting an act of war for political gain?

If I read the above quote correctly he isnt suggesting that the right dont use it as well but is making a "funny" in regards to the anxiety attacks the Dems in the US have been having all of this week in regards to Bush's using 911 in his ads.


LOL
Good one!
No, I doubt the left will take note!

[Like2Talk]

Originally posted by peacelover
Any person who votes in the manner intended by the terrorists because of the attack is just going to make this horrible murder a success in the eyes of the perpetrators.

DON'T DO IT!!!

it's a bit more complicated than this. The first responsibility of a nation's government should be the safety of his own people.


In the case of Spain, we have a country with close ties with the muslim/arab world. Much more open and vulnerable, like other european and unlike the us who are who more insulated from the middle east. The US can act violently and indiscriminately against terrorism because they are insulated and can disregard the consequences.
And they can threaten europe when they are not followed in this. "be behind us or be a terrorist".

Still the people of europe are going to pay in blood for Bush cowboy policy.



Spain is vulnerable, Spain was used as a logistical base for 9/11, with Mohammed Atta returning there several times and working there.

Now with Aznar making Spain put all his weight behind Bush, Aznar just turned his own people into targets, just like Blair did.
And Aznar did this against the will of his people.

Moreovoer he is extremely suspect of having tried to spread the ETA lead very loudly to avoid debate about Iraq.


The people of spain will decide and it is only legitimate they take into account the fact that what they are suffering now is the result of a policy.




Is it "just going to make this horrible murder a success in the eyes of the perpetrators" like you say ? the people of Spain are free to choose who they will put in power taking into account every bit of information in making the decision.

You call it "bowing to terrorism" I call it "reality check" about a policy.




All in all the people of Spain are very resilient to terrorism, after years of ETA.
However they want to know the truth about who is responsible in the bombing and they can feel the Aznar government lied about ETA. THEY WANT THE TRUTH NOW.

"Queremos Saber la Verdad" http://medias.lemonde.fr/medias/imag...e_040313_a.jpg

[MichaelC]

Originally posted by Like2Talk
it's a bit more complicated than this. The first responsibility of a nation's government should be the safety of his own people.


In the case of Spain, we have a country with close ties with the muslim/arab world. Much more open and vulnerable, like other european and unlike the us who are who more insulated from the middle east. The US can act violently and indiscriminately against terrorism because they are insulated and can disregard the consequences.
And they can threaten europe when they are not followed in this. "be behind us or be a terrorist".

Still the people of europe are going to pay in blood for Bush cowboy policy.



Spain is vulnerable, Spain was used as a logistical base for 9/11, with Mohammed Atta returning there several times and working there.

Now with Aznar making Spain put all his weight behind Bush, Aznar just turned his own people into targets, just like Blair did.
And Aznar did this against the will of his people.

Moreovoer he is extremely suspect of having tried to spread the ETA lead very loudly to avoid debate about Iraq.


The people of spain will decide and it is only legitimate they take into account the fact that what they are suffering now is the result of a policy.




Is it "just going to make this horrible murder a success in the eyes of the perpetrators" like you say ? the people of Spain are free to choose who they will put in power taking into account every bit of information in making the decision.

You call it "bowing to terrorism" I call it "reality check" about a policy.




All in all the people of Spain are very resilient to terrorism, after years of ETA.
However they want to know the truth about who is responsible in the bombing and they can feel the Aznar government lied about ETA. THEY WANT THE TRUTH NOW.

"Queremos Saber la Verdad" http://medias.lemonde.fr/medias/imag...e_040313_a.jpg

Your world analysis is worse than imbecelic. Muslims spread carnage from one end of the world to another and all you can manage is pathetic and shallow political commentary that misses the mark completely.

Not a word of censure for the savages that wantonly slaughter innocent people. All you can squeak out of your dark little mind is meaningless political blather. What the hell is wrong with you? Have you no sense of compassion or decency?

[Mediocrates]

Wont' this drive the soclialists "do nothing to anger the terrorists" platform further from power than they already are? Won't this bolster the admin that's already in power? I think it will.

[cerulean]

Originally posted by Mediocrates
Wont' this drive the soclialists "do nothing to anger the terrorists" platform further from power than they already are? Won't this bolster the admin that's already in power? I think it will.

All the analysts seem to say otherwise. They could be wrong, of course - it's certainly happened before.

[Mediocrates]

I just don't see with the election merely hours away, all the Spaniards not having their blood up for a good lashing out. The present administration can say and is saying that this attack is proof that hardline crackdown of the current admin has made other mega attacks nearly impossible and that if the socialists had been in power mega attacks would have been a regular occurence.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by Like2Talk
it's a bit more complicated than this.

No, it's really not very complicated at all. European countries let Muslim extremists do as they please, arrogantly refusing to believe how much the extremist Muslims hate Christians and Western society in general.

In the case of Spain, we have a country with close ties with the muslim/arab world. Much more open and vulnerable, like other european and unlike the us who are who more insulated from the middle east. The US can act violently and indiscriminately against terrorism because they are insulated and can disregard the consequences.

First, the US does not act indiscriminately. Do you have any support for your statement?

Second, to say that the US is "insulated" from the Middle East is nonsense. Where were you on 9/11/01?

The only reason the US hasn't yet been hit by another Islamist attack is that the US now understands the Islamist enemy and keeps a close eye on Islamic activities in the US.

Still the people of europe are going to pay in blood for Bush cowboy policy.

No, but they will indeed pay in blood for their cowardly policy of bribery, hypocrisy, and appeasement.

[MGB8]

What Live2Talk is saying is that as long as they don't come for him, he doesn't want to do anything to provoke the jihadists.

Let there be 10 more 9/11's - we'll stay on the sidelines, thank you.

It reminds me of the poem, that went something like

First they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew...
Then they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist...
Then they came for the Gypsies, but I was not a Gypsie...
Then they came for the Gays, but I was not a Gay..
Then they came for the Catholics, but I was not a Catholic...
And then they came for me...and there was no one left to help me...

Okay...I butchered the poem, but the I think the lesson comes across.

Live2Talk wants to believe that they won't come for him, and he is willing to sacrifice everyone else to avoid dealing with them.

This is Europe, for you. That is the source of the moral arguments the French love to use. They learned nothing from the Shoa...although they did pretty much rid Europe of Jews. Now they want to rid the middle east of them, too.