Spanish protests

[Gilgamesh]

Use the ignore function brothers! Ignore L2BS

I have no idea what is he trying to do over here.
All he is after is venting out steam because we are Zionist and not Socialist of communist. We are so "unfasionable" in Europe, so it boils L2BS a little.

But why do we care about him? He thinks that 5 million Jews are fanatic Zionists for living in Israel, plus few more million Jews in America, and few hundred thousand Jews in France and Britain who all contribute money, purchas houses, plan vecation and plan to immigrate to Israel... they also are Zionist extremists...

And there are millions if not Billions of our allaiys: American Christians, Bahai, Hindus, Parsies... with whome we share the same cause...

In other words: Accoridng to L2BS non extremists are relatively extremly few. For L2BS, the whole world is mad, only he is not interested at all in the way it realy works, the way it realy made of, the opinions of real people. He is keptive of his own imagination, his own perverted dreams about the world... lost all
connection with reality. This is brothers, what we call: "French decadence".

These winds of European decadence, are the proof Europe will not survive this century. It is analogue to Rome in the eve of the Barbarian (modern Europeans) invasion, China in the eve of the invasion of the Mongols, Bizantine in the eve of Othoman invasion. Decadence!

Only now, Osama bin laden is the modern incarnation of Atila the Hun, Gingis Han or the Sultan Mahmatt the 2nd.

[Like2Talk]

Originally posted by Ahava
Speak for yourself. Not "we".

do not turn things upside down, jewish extreme-right activists are a minority.

Minority in the US and even more in Europe. Voicy but a minority. If the israeli proportional electoral system didn't give them so much power they would cause much less harm.


So I feel more confortable saying "we" speaking of our community than the owners of this site who usurpate the name of Israel to serve their own agenda. In the same manner, they steal pictures from press agencies to spread big lies..

[minusthejihad]

My IP is currently 68.60.86.67

This neo-con zionist capitalist Russian American Jew has nothing to hide. Come and get me.

[Kev]

I have no idea what is he trying to do over here.

He's simply an American , Israeli and Jew hating troll trying to wind people up in this forum.
Dont let him.

Hes not worth the time of day!

Your Settings/Ignore Buddy List and he magically goes away!

[Ahava]

Originally posted by Like2Talk
do not turn things upside down, jewish extreme-right activists are a minority.

I agree with your statement that the jewish extreme-rights activists are a minority, but then, I'm sure your definition of what "extreme right" is highly differs from mine. The things you said about "we", "we" feel safer here than in the US and stuff, that's not true. The things you say about "we", do not apply to a majority.

Originally posted by Like2Talk
Minority in the US and even more in Europe. Voicy but a minority. If the israeli proportional electoral system didn't give them so much power they would cause much less harm.


So I feel more confortable saying "we" speaking of our community than the owners of this site who usurpate the name of Israel to serve their own agenda. In the same manner, they steal pictures from press agencies to spread big lies..

See, I don't think the owners of this site belong in the extreme right corner, there you go. Let me ask you a few questions.
1)What's your definition of extreme-right?
2)Are you an anti-zionist?
3)Are you a Jew?
4)Why do you ignore most of the sensible rebuttals to your claim given by various people here?

[Like2Talk]

Originally posted by MGB8
You ask not to put words into your mouth, but then make up things that I or mediocrates have never said.

for you I do not know, as I said on my post. For Mediocrates, please read his posts, beginning with the one I quote at the very bottom of this post.
It's not a mistake, it's one post amongst a series.

Originally posted by MGB8
Ignore the incidents, ignore the facts you say.

I ask you again not to put that kind of words into my mouth.




Back to the Spanish protest. We are going to see the result of the votes very soon (as for the vote in Russia no need to wait )

The people of spain are very furious about Aznar policy lets me quote a post I just read from a spanish girl.

in french
En tant que catalane vivant en Espagne je suis bien placée pour confirmer que le gouvernement a profité d'une catastrophe épouvantable pour faire de la politique àdeux jours des élections.

Tout le monde sait ici que depuis le début les services de sécurité espagnols étaient persuadés à99% (source: Cadena SER Radio en communication avec un membre des services de sécurité) que les auteurs de cette tuerie atroce étaient des islamistes, mais ceci ne convenait pas au gouvernement, alors ils ont manipulé totalement la télévision publique et menti au peuple qui enterrait ses morts.

PEndant deux jours on n'a vu QUE des émissions sur l'ETA a la télé publique que nous payons avec nos impôts et AUCUNE référence àla possible implication des islamistes, AUCUNE information sur les recherches sauf les brefs interventions du ministre qui accusait officiellement l'ETA sans même proposer d'autres possibilités.

Encore ce matin, le ministre Aceves a refusé de donner la moindre crédibilité au communiqué de l'ETA niant leur responsabilité ainsi qu'àcelui des islamistes paru au journal britannique... Ils n'ont pas dit que les détonateurs utilisés n'étaient pas les mêmes que ceux de l'ETA. Ils n'ont pas expliqué non plus pourquoi le gouvernement avait demandé aux consulats espagnols d'affirmer que les terroristes basques étaient les responsables du massacre seulement quelques heures après la tuerie, avant d'avoir la moindre preuve...

Ils ont manipulé les gens et profité l'impuissance, la douleur et la frustration que l'on ressent ici pour faire de la propagande électorale. Ils ont mêlé la constitution aux manifestations, pour que les nationalistes qui veulent la modifier refusent de participer et pouvoir ainsi les accuser de terroristes. Mais malgré la manipulation, TOUS les partits ont suivi parce qu'on a oublié la politique et on a pensé aux victimes.

J'ai lu les journaux britanniques et français pour savoir ce qui se passait vraiment dans mon pays. Je vous assure qu'il faut vivre ici pour croire àquel point on a vécu un coup d'état médiatique.
On retourne aux vieux temps, Franco en serait fier.

En ce moment 5000 personnes se manifestent àMadrid et des milliers d'autres dans d'autres villes espagnoles pour exiger la vérité et les excuses du gouvernement. Evidemment, la télévision publique IGNORE totalement ce fait et passe une émission sur la manifestation d'hier "pour la constitution"...

rough (google) translation :

As a Catalan woman living in Spain I am well placed to confirm that the government benefitted from a terrible catastrophe to make of the policy at two days of the elections. Everyone knows here that since the beginning the Spanish services of safety were persuaded to 99% (source: Radio Cadena SER in communication with a member of the services of safety) that the authors of this atrocious slaughter were islamists, but this was not appropriate for the government, then they handled public television completely and lied to the people which buried his deaths.

During two days one did not see THAT emissions on the ETA has the public TV one that we pay with our taxes and ANY reference to the possible implication of the islamists, NO information on research except the briefs interventions of the minister who showed officially the ETA without very proposing other possibilities. Still this morning, the Aceves minister refused to give the least credibility to the official statement of the ETA denying their responsibility like with that for the islamists published in the British newspaper... They did not say that the detonators used were not the same ones as those of the ETA.

They did not explain either why the government had asked the Spanish consulates to spread word that the Basque terrorists were the persons in charge for the massacre only a few hours after slaughter, before having the least proof... They handled people and profited the impotence, the pain and the frustration which one feels here to make of the electioneering propaganda. They mixed the constitution with the demonstrations, so that the nationalists who want to modify it refuse to take part and be able thus to show them terrorists.

But in spite of handling, ALL the parties followed because the policy was forgotten and one thought of the victims. I read the newspapers British and French to know what really occurred in my country. I ensure you that it is necessary to live here to believe in which point one lived a media coup d'etat. One turns over to old times, Franco would be proud. In this moment 5000 people appear in Madrid and of the thousands of others in other Spanish cities to require the truth and the excuses of the government. Obviously, public television IS UNAWARE OF this fact completely and passes an emission on the demonstration of yesterday "for the constitution"...

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by Like2Talk
for you I do not know, as I said on my post. For Mediocrates, please read his posts, beginning with the one I quote at the very bottom of this post.

Your sig is stupid. You meantion an agenda. All I see is a prediction and a very reasonable one at that the way things are going.

What are you going to do with all the non-Jews on this forum who agree with Mediocrates? Or maybe you'll accuse us of buying them with our gelt?

As a Catalan woman living in Spain I am well placed to confirm that the government benefitted from a terrible catastrophe to make of the policy at two days of the elections. Everyone knows here that since the beginning the Spanish services of safety were persuaded to 99% (source: Radio Cadena SER in communication with a member of the services of safety) that the authors of this atrocious slaughter were islamists, but this was not appropriate for the government, then they handled public television completely and lied to the people which buried his deaths.

How unexciting. We here in the "free world" first heard about the Islamic connection in the evening on Thursday. That means an astounding 14 or so hours passed by before such a connection was made public.

We also all heard right away about Friday's emial/fax claims of Al Queda involvement and yesterday's video tape.

So what exactly has the Spanish government been hiding from Spaniards that the rest of us don't know about?

Much ado about nothing. Another excuse for leftists to go rabid at the mouth.

[Ahava]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
Your sig is stupid.

More stupid than mine?

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by Ahava
More stupid than mine?

No.

[Ahava]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
No.

[IlyaFurman]

Reading this post in hindsight, after the fact the Sociolists won, shows us that we really cant predict how other people think. Not all of them think like us. And alot of us were wrong.

Conservatives would not get more powerful cause of the attacks, cause not alot of Europe thinks in the extremist mentality that alot of conservaties in the US use.

[MGB8]

There are essentially two reponses to being attacked. You can capitulate, or you can counter attack.

If you capitulate, you may end the conflict, IF the attacker doesn't want anything other than what the capitulator gives up, and will not want anything more in the future.

However, if the attacker does want something else in the future, and his original attack was succesful in achieving the desired result, then the attacker will have learned that attacking is a succesful tactic for getting what he wants.

So the question is, now that the socialists, who can just as easily be described as "extremists" as the conservatives you have choses to label as such, have swung a close election - does that appear to be capitulation to Al-Queda. If so, are they likely to want anything more from Spain?

If they are - and Jihdaists certainly seem to want to regain control of Spain, as well as to stop any opposition to their anti-western, anti-Christian, anti-Jewish, anti-Hindu attacks as evidenced by their declarations - is it more or less likely that they will use violence again to try to get what they want?

Originally posted by IlyaFurman
Reading this post in hindsight, after the fact the Sociolists won, shows us that we really cant predict how other people think. Not all of them think like us. And alot of us were wrong.

Conservatives would not get more powerful cause of the attacks, cause not alot of Europe thinks in the extremist mentality that alot of conservaties in the US use.

[IlyaFurman]

I belive the bombing was a work of ETA, or ETA and Al Queda. Not just AL Queda.

The Socialists made it seem like it was Al Queda alone, for their benefit, and it worked.

The bombs used were a type of dynamite which is used by ETA not Al Queda.

Just 3 weeks ago ETA was stopped in Madrid with 400 pounds of explosives.

And on Christmas Eve ETA was caught with bombs in the Madrid train station.

It is in this forums best interest if those were "Islamic Terrorists" but we will have to wait and see until the investigation.

[Mediocrates]

I stand corrected when I said that the normal response to terrorism would be to keep the administration in power.

Spanish socialists and by extension Spaniards, and terrorists generally agree with one another! Congratulations!

[Mediocrates]

Originally posted by IlyaFurman
I belive the bombing was a work of ETA, or ETA and Al Queda. Not just AL Queda.

The Socialists made it seem like it was Al Queda alone, for their benefit, and it worked.

The bombs used were a type of dynamite which is used by ETA not Al Queda.

Just 3 weeks ago ETA was stopped in Madrid with 400 pounds of explosives.

And on Christmas Eve ETA was caught with bombs in the Madrid train station.

It is in this forums best interest if those were "Islamic Terrorists" but we will have to wait and see until the investigation.

That makes it ok then Ilya. I'm with ya. But riddle me this? If it was ETA and the prior adminstration's crackdown on ETA essentially rendered ETA useless until this megaattack how is it you earnestly believe that:

1) It's really all about Iraq?
2) Pulling out of Iraq will now make ETA terrorism disappear?

It seems that Spaniards want the best of both delusions. Better to believe that its indigenous terrorism and the way to fix that is to pull out of Iraq. The ETA is so powerful one would think they are Jews.