chinese support on Israel

[christian]

Digested from www.bbsland.com

... Why our newspaper and TV always describe these Arabian as the vicitims? Are these medias corresponding the truth from a real fair viewpoint? In my impression, Israel is a nation which has been suffering so many disasters in its history, a nation which never forget those who once helped it in its hardship. Some old jews never forget those days in when they stayed in Shanghai of China to avoid the Nazi's persecution in World War II. These Chinese shared with the jews their last food; They will never forget that the consellor at Chinese Ambassy in Austria issued hundreds of visas for Jews and help them to leave for China at those days. Please note that Israel is the country who had been always expecting to set up diplomatic relationship with P.R. China since PRC's foundation in 1949; please remember that, It's Israel that is always helping us develop our agriculture in acrid area and our military industry. As the Israel Ambassador in Beijing said at the end of last year, our two nations are becoming more and more closer...

In contrast, these Arabians, who get our sustainable supports, always question us " Why your Chinese never allow our Muslim brothers in Xinjiang independent from China and set up their islam country!". Remember bus-bombing attacks several years ago in Xinjiang of China, which happened on the bus during rush hours and killed dozen of innocient persons, these Arabain seems so similar in this sense.


Gentlement,
Please get your fact straight between china and israel.

Please discern the facts tha "chinese government" and "chinese "

[Oh Jerusalem]

Your support is very much appreciated. However, I don't think a poll was taken amongst the Chinese, throughout all of Chinas provinces, that would tell us what the average Chinese thinks of the situation here.

What we do know is that China has generally towed the Pro-Palestinian line almost no differently than the EU and the UN.

[christian]

Originally posted by Oh Jerusalem
Your support is very much appreciated. However, I don't think a poll was taken amongst the Chinese, throughout all of Chinas provinces, that would tell us what the average Chinese thinks of the situation here.

What we do know is that China has generally towed the Pro-Palestinian line almost no differently than the EU and the UN.

Of course, there is no poll in a dictatorial country. If we have poll, we will sing in Tianmen square.

However, it is a general view inside the chinese. That arabs is starting a Xingjing separation. Which we come back to square one. (Should we support the israel? Is it our strategic interest? What do we sacrific? )

Which make me and you a "natural" friend.

[christian]

Remember, we(chinese ) are very friendly to Jews. Every country shut down the visa for Jews. We are the only one, accepts the jews refugee in WWII. We don't care how many jews are fleeing. We just accepts them.

Which in return, Israel return the support of china.

In 50's,things start to get worse when US starts intervene.

[raven]

Christian: I wasnt in the Holocaust. I didnt have a direct relative that I know perished in the camps...but I KNOW...about the Chinese and Shanghai. Many of us know and will not forget. Dont you worry about that.!!!!! We know who really helped and who is just CLAIMING that they did. Chinese people DID. YES...

[raven]

I hope to G-d China can throw off its political system of oppression and step into the LIGHT. The light of Freedom and Democracy. It hasnt been the nature of the system there and it will be a long hard road...but I hope for you ALL that it comes. HOW? You all have to demand it..and we Free Peoples of all Religions will try to help. Such good brains and talent to be "locked up" What successes in Science we could have if we didnt get into a new COLD WAR. What developments we could get together and make...The mind boggles...at what could be for the good of mankind.

[raven]

I cant talk to the ENTIRE country of China..but Im taking the rare opportunity of talking to two people here. I know it wont "change the world" but you have to start somewhere. So one at a time...here I go...when I can.

[takeo]

I think Christian doesn't live in mainland china, does he?
Most Chinese i spoke too, many asked about the situation in the middle-East when they knew i was jewish, had a moderate opinion that israel needs to withdraw and that Arabs needed to stop their attacks on civilians. As usually the chinese blaimed the US for the problem (it was in the period Chinese were furious about the bombing of the embassy in belgrade)
many students of islamic countries live in China and have good relations with the Chinese, China also has excellent relations with Iran and as well with Pakistan and Syria. the chinese have nothing against Jewish people either and most know the history of WWII. (but many French people risked their lifes too to safe Jews, i hope you will remind that after beginning a new round of cursing against France).
i had the solid impression that many Chinese in general liked the government and the economic progress. (more so than in Cuba), in fact i didn't discover many differences between opinions of the chinese i spoke with.
However chinese of Hongkong or Taiwan are very different.

[raven]

The Chinese DONT WANT an Islamic takeover in their country. All they have to do is look to India and what has happened there.

These are people that will SHOOT BACK and ask questions later. Here is a group you all cant bully. They have as many people, a hundred times over SMARTS, and a refined culture longer than you.

Try it...and see what happens.

[christian]

I have to admit I mislead you guys in an unintentional way.

Chinese mainland thinks different than the western secular class chinese. Lets call it the western secular chinese. We mostly mean the chinese who lives abroad for many generations. They don't have tight with china, except patrioism. (like the jews)

You can call us the chinese of diaspora or the jews of asia. The chinese live abroad is usually pro-western thoughts and confuciousim.

As you notice the difference between me and poppy. We are from different world. He / She see things in Chinese(mainland) point of view. Due to force information in china, many chinese don't understand the global point of view. However, due to technology, many mainlander is aware of outside world. They are closer view with the secular society.

Also, in china, the secular middle class is still a small number. However,It is growing very fast.

As for western class, such as singapore, taiwan, southeast asia, North America, many times we don't agree with what the mainland is doing.

The mainland is indirectly helping the terrorist structure. Moreover, they are indirectly killing us (chinese).
Especially, in southeast asia, we take a lots from the extremist. The muslim kill us for every reason, in every decades. For example, in Singapore, the malay just want us to leave and die. That is how Singapore have their independance. In 98 Indonesia, the extremist terrorize China town. We have to buy the Indonesia army for protection.

In singapore, it is a pro-western and confucious society.

In taiwan chinese don't like the mainland thinking either. The Taiwan chinese is also very pro-western.

Due to the China take over Hong Kong, Hong Kong is now an official city of china. It is no longer an international city anymore.
Hong Kong is becoming pro-china. It is backwards.

I hope to present you the more accurate picture of now.

[christian]

The PRC is feeling the heat of the extremist. In order for china to growth, they need the chinese of diaspora. They need us to start the economy. This is why China is different than India. India has started the capitalist regime for some long. They are still living in extreme poverty. In 22 years, many chinese educated diaspora class change the infrastucture of china. Many chinese of diaspora helps china to be in international stage again. Majority of mainland is still in poverty. However, if you look at the coastal region, such as shaghai, beijing,
It is a rich eastern coastal region.

This is why recently they force Pakistan to stop the extremist. The PRC wants a better relationship with India. The stormy relationship between israel is business. It is nothing personal or hate. Many reporters misinterprets as a hate. The mainlander is always neutral in middle east crisis. They want stability in the northwestern region to the land of europe.

The PRC long term plan is reviving the new silk road trade, between Europe and china. The eastern region already has foundation. Now, they are developing the western region.

They want to curb the extremist, in order to revive the silk road trade. The mainland don't want to be threatened by Islamic revolution. The mainland already have their painful history during the cultural revolution. We don't want another revolution.
No thanks to Islamic revolution .

You have to see china, in a chinese point of view. It is kind of complicated for me to explain everything to foreigners.

I only can tell you a glimpse on china. I can write a book about it.

The CNN reports is very partial. They only focus China on a very partial of point view. They don't see the whole picture.

[christian]

The PRC is also learning from India. They see what happens in India. That is why PRC force Pakistan to have a solution with India. Or else, we have a india and pakistian war two months ago.

The mainlander is not stupid as most westerner think. Please read ART OF WAR By Sun Tzu. Then you understand how PRC thinks

[Mediocrates]

What did Sun Tzu say about Tibet?

[christian]

Tibet is part of china for 300 years.

How do you feel, if someone rips off your arm? Which is attach to you for 300 years?

How do you feel, if someone wants to separte Israel into Juda and Israel?

[Mediocrates]

maybe that guidance system they ripped off wasn't so good after all - - .