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British Anti-Semetic House of Commons That Hates Jews and Are Hypocrites.
Read about how they think sharon has made innocents bleed. C'mon, when the British bombed citites, don't you think innocent civilans were klled? That's what war is. Israel has made a point not to carpet bomb them and risks casualties by going door to door.
How could they say he is a war criminal! This is preposterous!
House of Commons in London: Sharon is War Criminal
According to the Geneva-conventions, Sharon is indeed a war criminal, for what he did in the 50's, for what he did in Libanon (or lets say for what he didn't do in Libanon...) and for what he did last weeks.
And i'm sure sooner or later, if he is still alive, he will have to stand in court for his deeds.
at this moment observers from different organisations are researching the palestinian claim that a massacre had been perpetrated. They will present their results to the un-security council. Now we can just suppose what happened in the camps, in some weeks we will have more certainty about the facts.
Of course Sharon is portrayedas the bigbad terrible war criminal vs. the peaceloving friend of all, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, Yassir Arafat.
Sharon is the elected representative of Israel. He’s a man that has showed remarkable restraint in dealing with a difficult situation. Further I read his speech he made to the Knesset 8/4/02 or thereabouts and he’s a man that wants peace.Originally posted by takeo
According to the Geneva-conventions, Sharon is indeed a war criminal, for what he did in the 50's, for what he did in Libanon (or lets say for what he didn't do in Libanon...) and for what he did last weeks.
And i'm sure sooner or later, if he is still alive, he will have to stand in court for his deeds.
at this moment observers from different organisations are researching the palestinian claim that a massacre had been perpetrated. They will present their results to the un-security council. Now we can just suppose what happened in the camps, in some weeks we will have more certainty about the facts.
Even at this point he’s willing to have a conference with the devil himself.
That is more than I would do and I might add that if this had been the US, Russia or Britain that had dealt with the situation the population in the West Bank would be greatly diminished.
Is this according to evidence received in the court of Judge takeo, or was there some other basis that decided that defeating Arabs in a war constitues a crime?Originally posted by takeo
According to the Geneva-conventions, Sharon is indeed a war criminal,
I listed in another post here the geneva-conventions which defend the destruction and bombing of civilian neighbourhoods if there is no certitude that civilians are still inside the buildings. Also deliberate destruction of civilian infrastructure as waterpipes and homes is considered a war-crime.
And possibly the war-crimes are even more explicit, as it appears that all the male population of Jenin has disappeared...
about Sharon, as you said yourself, there's a big difference between words and deeds, in deed Sharon is definately the man of war and violence, who has never showed any consideration for his civilian victims and tried to win a war by all means.
Russia, Great-Brittain or the US and also other countries like Iraq, Yougoslavia, indonesia, etc. have committed war-crimes as well, in Tchechnia, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc. This however doesn't mean that Sharon isn't a war-criminal, but indeed he is not the only one...
if there is evidence that arafat ordered the killing of innocent civilians, than he is a war-criminal too, if not, than he isn't.
Sharon always prefered war and actions over negociations
Takeo I agree with you
We don´t must forget that U.K. is one of the most ancient democracy of the world.British Anti-Semetic House of Commons That Hates Jews and Are Hypocrites.
We can´t compare a democratic state and one organization with links with the terrorismOf course Sharon is portrayedas the bigbad terrible war criminal vs. the peaceloving friend of all, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, Yassir Arafat.
Israel as a democratic nation must respect the humans rights of all the citizents that livinin it. If Israel don´t respect the human rights is normal that the rest of the world are disagree. Palestine don´t exist like a independent nation and don´t have democratic institutions to guarantee the human rights.
Sharon don´t can to say that the terrorist attacks againsts innocent people in Israel permit use similar tactics of terror against the palestinian people, because a truth democracy must guarantee and defend the human rights in all the situations.
Until less than a century ago, the British were an expnasionist empire,claiming rule to countries nowhere near the Isle of Britain. They were major slave traders, too. How impressive!Originally posted by Elena
We don´t must forget that U.K. is one of the most ancient democracy of the world.
Israel's targets are armed terrorists and their dispatchers - not innocent civilians.Sharon don´t can to say that the terrorist attacks againsts innocent people in Israel permit use similar tactics of terror against the palestinian people, because a truth democracy must guarantee and defend the human rights in all the situations.
Yes U K was an empire, but also had a parliament and strong tradition of democratic institutions before the mayority of the countries in europe and in the world
But the israeli army not only kill terrorist, kill civilians only for live there, destroy the houses of civilian people, don´t permit work civilian people, dont´permit to go to the hospital the civilian people. Today is impossible live in a palestinian town because the israeli army converted it in war zone.Israel's targets are armed terrorists and their dispatchers - not innocent civilians.
The same mistake again, the palestinians are all terrorists, so the israeli army have the right to kill everybody that seems suspect of terrorism and destroy everything houses, roads, hospital. ambulances. Is a road a terrorist?, is a hospital a terrorist headquarter?
If there are terrorist in a hospital the israeli forces must detain the terrorists, but also must respect the doctors, nurses and ill people that there are too.
Bombing a building and Kill innocents only because there are terrorist in the same building isn´t fight against terrorism is a simple war crime.
Don´t forget this, Milosevic did the same in Kosovo, Pinochet did the same in chile that today Sharon do in Palestina.
Innocents are in both sides not only in Israel.
First of all, it is ridiculous to say that the IDF "converted the town into a war zone," when you know very well that what created the war zone were the bomb factories, weapons storage, terrorists recruiters, and other suicide bombers who used those houses to hide and launch terrorist attacks aginst Israelis.Originally posted by Elena
But the israeli army not only kill terrorist, kill civilians only for live there, destroy the houses of civilian people, don´t permit work civilian people, dont´permit to go to the hospital the civilian people. Today is impossible live in a palestinian town because the israeli army converted it in war zone.
Also, you neglect to say that there were gunfire and bombs thrown from those houses towards the doldiers and so the IDF returned fire at the source of the shooting.
I am sorry to tell you that once someone shoots at armed sodiers, they are taking it upon themselves the action that causes their location to be destroyed.
Yes, there are inncoent Palestinians, too, who were killed by mistake. That is an unfortunate unintended result of all wars. But the blame falls on the terrorists who brought this misery on the Israeli people and upon the Palestinian people.
1. What is your source for this mysterious disappearance?Originally posted by takeo
And possibly the war-crimes are even more explicit, as it appears that all the male population of Jenin has disappeared...
2. We know that hundreds of terrorists surrendered and dozens were killed. These are great accomplishment in the war against terrorism.
But, I can see that when you are in doubt about what happened, you are ready to insinuate that Israel did something wrong.
Maybe any Palestinians who disappeared were slaughtered by Fatah for being suspected as collaborators with Israel? Have you considered this possibility? It is just as easy to reach this conclusion as any other, no?
Have you not read the news at all since Sharon's election? Because he has used amazing restraint and practically begged for a peaceful negotiation, and even proposed a realistic peace plan, but after 18 months, and daily massacres of innocent Israelis, I applaud Sharon for taking serious military action to stop the suicide bombings. I think Sharon's actions speak for themselves to show him as a man of peace, but someone who is ready to wage war for self-defense if his peaceful gestures are rejected.about Sharon, as you said yourself, there's a big difference between words and deeds, in deed Sharon is definately the man of war and violence, who has never showed any consideration for his civilian victims and tried to win a war by all means.
You are saying "if"???if there is evidence that arafat ordered the killing of innocent civilians, than he is a war-criminal too, if not, than he isn't.
There has been tons of evidence showing that Arafat ordered and paid for the suicide bombers.
But I have noticed that for you, all evidence is considered some Israeli plot, even if it is the Palestinians themselves who publicly admit to Arafat's involvement.
"First of all, it is ridiculous to say that the IDF "converted the town into a war zone," when you know very well that what created the war zone were the bomb factories, weapons storage, terrorists recruiters, and other suicide bombers who used those houses to hide and launch terrorist attacks aginst Israelis. "
well, for sure the ministry of education wasn't used as a bomb factory, nor where various hospitals, power centres, etc. , all being destroyed by the army.
And denying the medical and red cross people entry in the war-zone is not allowed by the Geneva-conventions and thus a war-crime as well. And if the israeli operation was really so clean and only targetting terrorists, why didn't israel allow the journalists to cover the operation? because they were afraid for their security... please...
and what about the many survivers (almost only women) who declared that soldiers shot every man in the street, armed or not, and entered each and every house to destroy everything and take the men hostage (we could see in the inside of the houses things as television etc. were deliberately destroyed). All lies?
Besiides there are credible reports that people were used as human shields to protect israeli soldiers from attackers. This fact has been condamned by the un-commission and is in clear violation to the Geneva-conventions.
Even if they shoot at you from a house, it doesn't mean you have the right to destroy the house, you have to search it entirely and can only kill armed people you encounter, to avoid human casualties, yougoslavians have been convicted for not doing so. (especially during the bombings in croatia)
"Yes, there are inncoent Palestinians, too, who were killed by mistake. That is an unfortunate unintended result of all wars. But the blame falls on the terrorists who brought this misery on the Israeli people and upon the Palestinian people."
Let's say that the blame falls on those who refused to voluntarily leave the occupied territories, but anyway killing civilians can be an unfortunate result of war, but a warriing party need to take care to avoid as many civilian casualties as possible, clearly this wasn't the case last week, I would say on the contrary.
"1. What is your source for this mysterious disappearance? "
Well, the various television channels and journalists who went into Jenin after the israeli incursion and didn't saw a single man left there...
"2. We know that hundreds of terrorists surrendered and dozens were killed. These are great accomplishment in the war against terrorism. "
Maybe you consider, as the israeli defense forces, all male Palestinians as terrorists? (it is true that many will have defended their home town against the invaders, shooting at invading military is no terrorism by the way)
"But, I can see that when you are in doubt about what happened, you are ready to insinuate that Israel did something wrong. "
Well, if observers see now men left in a town where israeli defense forces have just ended a military offensive, that may lead you to some conclusions, doesn't it?
"Maybe any Palestinians who disappeared were slaughtered by Fatah for being suspected as collaborators with Israel? Have you considered this possibility? It is just as easy to reach this conclusion as any other, no? "
Right, 100's of men in Jenin were slaughtered by fatah because they voluntarily offered their life to collaborate with israel... and if they won't believe this one let's tell them something else...
"Have you not read the news at all since Sharon's election? Because he has used amazing restraint and practically begged for a peaceful negotiation, and even proposed a realistic peace plan, but after 18 months, and daily massacres of innocent Israelis, I applaud Sharon for taking serious military action to stop the suicide bombings. I think Sharon's actions speak for themselves to show him as a man of peace, but someone who is ready to wage war for self-defense if his peaceful gestures are rejected. "
well, maybe you heard some different news, but what i read and heard was that sharon is not prepared to negociate with Arafat, first because there should be "7 days of total cease-fire" later he didn't want to talk to the legitimate representative of the palestinian people at all,... even if the last one asked negociations at several opportunities
to what realistic peace plan are you referring, i'm curious??????
wasn't sharon also the man opposed to every peace-treaty or possible peace-treaty under a left-wing government? didn't he say that any peace-deal negociated between barak and Arafat in the last days of Barak would not be recognised by the new government?
wasn't Sharon the man who showed such restraint at humiliating(or whatever you call it) the al-aqsa mosque even if many israeli advised him not to do so... (we all know the consequences...)
wasn't Sharon the man of the reprisals, with as a cosequence an even bloodier cicle of violence, etc...
"You are saying "if"???
There has been tons of evidence showing that Arafat ordered and paid for the suicide bombers. "
where please?
and don't start please about the signature under a letter asking for money for the fatah-organisation. Fatah has not targetted the life of innocent civilians (and if you think different please tell me where and when and who exactly did it...)
"But I have noticed that for you, all evidence is considered some Israeli plot, even if it is the Palestinians themselves who publicly admit to Arafat's involvement. "
all evidence presented by the israeli propaganda institutions is indeed considered by me as propaganda, and not facts.
i only believe neutral inpartial observations for real, not israeli nor palestinian claims, as both involved parties have interest in manipulating the truth.
No, what's for sure is that Palestinian government buildings, mosques, hospitals, ambulances, kindergartens, homes, community centers, stores, and every other facility imaginable, have all been used by terrorists to shoot at Israelis, to train suicide bombers, to manufacture missiles, to transport suicide bombers, and to hide weapons. As such, they are not only legitimate targets, but necessities to destroy in the war against Palestinian terrorism.Originally posted by takeo
well, for sure the ministry of education wasn't used as a bomb factory, nor where various hospitals, power centres, etc. , all being destroyed by the army.
You like to make believe as if the Hamas and Islamic Jihad are some noble warriors who do not use civilian infrastructure and residences to launch their attacks, but this is a fantasy, not reality.
First of all, yes. Palestinian terror-supporters wil be glad to walk up to you, look you in the eye and tell you incredible lies. From Jews making Matzo with childrens' blook, to Jews poisoning water wells, to Jews distributing chewing gum that has chemicals in it to make Muslim men lose their morality, to an Israeli female soldier stripping for a crowd of Muslim men, then shooting them with a machine-gun hidden in her panties. I've heard it all from the Palestinians, so at this point their credibility is near zero.and what about the many survivers (almost only women) who declared that soldiers shot every man in the street, armed or not, and entered each and every house to destroy everything and take the men hostage (we could see in the inside of the houses things as television etc. were deliberately destroyed). All lies?
Even so, the Israeli army has stated clearly that in some places it arrested all men from 16-60 years old for interrogation. I tend to believe that, and not the garbage that is spoken by many Palestinians, who are furious that Israel has the nerve to defend its citizens from Palestinian terrorism.
Please, the UN is a joke especially after the anti-Semitic Durban conference in which the UN condemned Israel for defending itself, but refused to condemn the suicide bombings or the ongoing shooting attacks on Israeli civilians. Not to mention that there have been dozens of UN security council resolution codemning Israel, but not a single little resolution condemning Hamas, Hizbullah, Arafat's al Aksa Brigades, etc. So, what the UN thinks is pretty much irrelevant to anyone sane.Besiides there are credible reports that people were used as human shields to protect israeli soldiers from attackers. This fact has been condamned by the un-commission and is in clear violation to the Geneva-conventions.
As for the right to shoot back at a house from which a soldier is being shot at, the scenario you are describing is from some Hollywood movie, not from reality.
In the real world, a house from which terrorists are launching an attck needs to be destroyed immediately. And in those cases, it is clearly the Palestinian terrorists who are using human shields.
Yes, clearly this was the case that Israel took extraordinary precautions not to harn Palestinian civilians, because as we all know very well, otherwise, there would have been hundreds of thousands dead. Instead, Israel chose to subject its own soldiers to grave danger by going house-to-house instead of bombing the whole damn rat's nest of Palestinian terrorism. Of course, as a result of this, Palestinians lives were saved by Israel, while dozens of Israeli soldiers died instead.but a warriing party need to take care to avoid as many civilian casualties as possible, clearly this wasn't the case last week, I would say on the contrary.
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